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January-March 2004 Entries
Tôtôch and smooches I need your e-mail address.ASAP
Jean Claude Vivens <jcvivens@mris.com>
Wheaton, md - Wednesday, March 31, 2004 at 17:13:21 (EST)
Thanks,? & Yopran'm. JBA's route to prison is being paved. He's gotten himself is a serious predicament.
PR
- Wednesday, March 31, 2004 at 15:32:13 (EST)
PR, go to lefigaro.fr
Yopran'm
- Wednesday, March 31, 2004 at 12:25:49 (EST)
PR, go to Sakapfet.com
?
- Wednesday, March 31, 2004 at 12:05:08 (EST)
?,what's hpn's web address? Do you have a link to?
PR
- Wednesday, March 31, 2004 at 11:20:22 (EST)
By: HPN - 03/31/2004
Aristide présenté comme un baron de la drogue
Le quotidien français Le Figaro du 29 mars a présenté l’ancien président haïtien Jean Bertrand Aristide comme le grand patron de la drogue en Haïti. Son compère Jacques Kéitant, arrêté pour trafic illicite de stupéfiants, a déclaré devant un tribunal américain qu’Aristide était le père de la drogue en Haïti. Le président déchu à l’aube de la quatrième année de son mandat de 5 ans, le 29 février dernier, risque de passer le reste de ses jours en prison en dépit de sa fortune estimée à US$ 800 millions de dollars. L’ancien chef de la sécurité de l’ex-chef d’État, Oriel Jean, vient d’être condamné à 27 ans d’emprisonnement et à une amende de US$ 30 millions de dollars pour son implication dans le trafic de la drogue.
?
USA - Wednesday, March 31, 2004 at 09:55:41 (EST)
A little News from Yahoo.
"The United Nations (news - web sites) has raised a little over a quarter of the $35 million in emergency relief needed to help stabilize Haiti after a three-week rebellion led President Jean-Bertrand Aristide to flee a month ago.
U.S.-backed interim Prime Minister Gerard Latortue is to meet foreign donors April 14 to appeal for more funds."
I don't mind getting help from others but something like $35 millions the U.N is trying to collect is an amount that the Haitian Diaspora can and should come up with.
Mobutoo
Stafford, VA - Wednesday, March 31, 2004 at 09:25:57 (EST)
THE TICKETS FOR TRANKILL'S SHOW (BALL) @ NAPOLI ITALIAN RESTAURANT 8241 GEORGIA AVE SILVER SPRING MD (CORNER OF GEORGIA & THAYER AVE)ARE NOW ON SALE IN THE COMMUNITY-BOBY EXPRESS -ESTHER EXPRES-TI CLAUDE COIFFEUR-CHEZ YONYON AND ALSO AT NAPOLI.
REMEMBER THE BALL IS SATURDAY APRIL 10
$20.00 IN ADVANCE
THE SUNDAY NIGHT SHOW (KERMESSE DIMANCHE PAQUES) AT LOS ARRIEROS WILL START AT 8PM-DON'T FORGET TO BRING YOUR STUDENT I.D.
FOR MORE INFO CALL 240-463-7196
HAPPY EASTER
Jean Claude Vivens <jcvivens@mris.com>
Wheaton, md - Tuesday, March 30, 2004 at 20:23:49 (EST)
Trinity College Haiti program invites you to the Washington DC premier of the Agronomist at 7.30pm on Tuesday 20th of April, 2004 Landmark’s E Street Cinema 555 11th Street NW Washington, DC 20004. The Agronomist is a new movie about the life of famed Haitian journalist Jean-Dominique who was murdered at his radio station in Haiti. We have a limited number of seats to pass along to the Haitian community. It is by invitiation only. It is on a first come first serve basis. If you are interested, just email us here at webmaster@echodhaiti.com. It is wonderful movie directed by Jonathan Demme.
webmaster@echodhaiti.com <djjnmichel@aol.com>
- Tuesday, March 30, 2004 at 12:15:32 (EST)
Good Afternoon,
Howard University's Haitian Student Association will have a program
entitled "Mix and Mingle" next week and you are cordially invited. This
program's purpose is to bring together our fellow Haitian and non-Haitian
students and community and to provide an opportunity to meet eachother. So
bring along your ideas, contact info, etc. Please view attached document
and forward it to anyone in the surrounding area and community you think
would like to attend. Thank you for your cooperation and if there are any
questions or concerns, please feel free to contact me.
Sincerely,
Ms. Natalie Jean, HSA PR
webmaster@echodhaiti.com
- Tuesday, March 30, 2004 at 11:45:07 (EST)
I appreciated what your are doing you did a good job in Haitian communauty.
sincerely,
Rachel Jean-Baptiste <none 93 Stoneybrook Dr>
Metuchen, NJ - Tuesday, March 30, 2004 at 10:50:12 (EST)
I appreciated what your are doing you did a good job in Haitian communauty.
sincerely,
Rachel Jean-Baptiste <none 93 Stoneybrook Dr>
Metuchen, NJ - Tuesday, March 30, 2004 at 10:49:31 (EST)
Wonderful indeed! You ladies(smooches & yopram'n) looked as radiant as ever. Gentlemen, approach these ladies with caution, otherwise,you shall succomb to the highly transmissible phenomenon known as love.
Sweet Mickey stands out of the crowd.
PR
- Monday, March 29, 2004 at 18:05:47 (EST)
Yopranm....jwen? A ma chere pa fe'm sa. Pat gin afe la du tout. I hate when you tell somebody "NON" mwen pap danse and they insist. Bon se nan sa mwen te pran samedi soir. Yon denye pongongon....lol
Pat gin afe du tou. Devan djazz la ki te chaje (smile)
smoochees
- Monday, March 29, 2004 at 10:45:48 (EST)
It was nice seeing you too Smoochees. Ou te jwen wi, conversion yan te "dip" bo bar lan... LOL...
Carimi was tight, i didn't expect that from the band.
Chapo ba to Carimi.
PR good to see u.
Yopran'm
- Monday, March 29, 2004 at 10:20:49 (EST)
Greetings All...Happy Monday
Thank you Harold Charles (ceepco records) for a great BAL. Carimi was off the hook Saturday night. To top it up MICHAEL BENJAMIN was all that and than some. I had no idea that he was going to be there. It was all a surprise to me. I had a great time and looking forward to Micky. Komunote a te swaf yon ti bal...
Harold....JOB WELL DONE.....BRAVO!!!
Yopranm....it was great seeing you (smile)
PR.....Nice seeing you too. Mwen pa tap rate ti bo sa du tou. Anba redi mwen pran'l...LOL
Have a great day!
smoochees
- Monday, March 29, 2004 at 08:51:46 (EST)
CEEPCO RECORDS (Your Entertainment Connection) would like to thank the 600 people who came out last night to celebrate Spring Bash 2004 with CARIMI at Zanzibar on-the-waterfront. It was certainly a night to remember and a grand affair. We plan to bring CARIMI back at Zanzibar in mid September, possibly on Saturday September 18.
Let's now get ready for Sweet Micky at Zanzibar on April 24 and T-Vice on July 10. Tickets are already on sale online at www.ceepcorecords.com. Over 10% of the people who attended last night's event purchased their tickets online. This process was so convenient - right from the comfort of their home!
Thank you again to our official sponsors: {EDITED BY WEBMASTER}
For your music needs, visit us at www.checkoutcds.com
For your home improvement needs, visit us at www.ceepcocontracting.com
To rent a phone and use it in Haiti and to call Haiti at $0.16 a minute for the US, call us at 301-648-4800 for more details.
CEEPCO RECORDS <sales@ceepco.com>
Silver Spring, MD - Sunday, March 28, 2004 at 17:28:10 (EST)
Last night on the way to Carimi, my brother tuned in Kombit lakay. Yves D'Haiti, I want to congratulate you. Kombit Lakay is moving foward. Partisanship has always undermined your show, but last night was different. A more balanced report was communicated. This is what we need if we are ever going to pull out of the hole we are in. Keep it up!
PR
- Sunday, March 28, 2004 at 11:51:10 (EST)
Once again, with all due respect we ask that all posters refrain from posting articles in the guest book. We welcome all comments and healthy debates. Loading the guest book page with a long article only slows down the site. You're welcome to make your point by either quoting from a relevant article and posting a link to your reference. We thank you again for your cooperation and thank you for your support.
echodhaiti.com <webmaster@echodhati.com>
- Saturday, March 27, 2004 at 19:40:19 (EST)
TELECOM INFORMATION
Haiti's Telecom Sector is estimated to be at 400 million minutes per year or $48 million per year. In 1994, JBA realized that it was a very lucrative sector after having used the settlement accounts of TELECO in the US to finance his return to power in 1994. After having returned he granted a license to a newly formed company (FUSION TELECOM) made up of Democratic heavyweights like Marvin Rosen , the former chairman of the Finance Committee of the Democratic Party. They were billing $3 million per month for 5 years. In the beginning of 2002, FUSION got out favor with Aristide because they did not agree to increase his commission from $1 million to 1.5 million per month. FUSION then stopped paying their bills to TELECO and still owe 1.8 million USD and they are no longer doing business with TELECO. Subsequently, Aristide personally got involved in the granting of new licenses with TELECO for a fee of 50% of all net profit on the contracts. Aristide creating a shell company called DIGITEC, within DIGITEC was the current DG of TELECO, Alphonse INEVIL, his brother in law: Lesly Lavlanete, Mrs. Aristide.
They signed with the following US companies:
UNIPLEX TELECOM TECHNOLOGIES: US Company connected with a Capacity to do 20 million minutes to HAITI. This company has declared Chapter 11 Bankruptcy in the US but kept their contract with TELECO and pays TELECO over 1 million per month. Obtained the TELECO license with help
of Mrs. Aristide thru the Brazilian Ambassador in Haiti. They have been connected to TELECO for 3 years. They are more or less not as corrupted as the others cited below
IVM: International Voice Mail: Have a capacity to bill for $900,000 per month. They are a front a very small company and pay Aristide 3 cents per minute for every call they send to HAITI. Continues up to today.
MOUNT SALEM COMMUNICATIONS GROUP: This is a shell company that Aristide created with FRED BELIARD. Essentially, they are an interface between TELECO and a Canadian Company called GLOBO. This company bills GLOBO Canada more than $500,000 per month and payment to TELECO are directly to a Bank account number that is for ARISTIDE, they are making payments up til this day. Alphonse Inevil is still the DG of TELECO.
TERRA COMMUNICATIONS GROUP/WECOM: same as Uniplex they have been interconnected since 2000 and owe TELECO more than 2 million. They are paying Aristide 3 cents per minute for every call to HAITI.
IDT: One the biggest Telephone companies in the World, the last company to be granted a license from Aristide, this contract was granted thru MOUNT SALEM and payments of more than 1 million dollars per month are made directly to ARISTIDE. Aristide also gets 3 cents per minute for every call terminated to HAITI.
Suggestions: We suggest that all the companies listed above be audited in Haiti and to review payment history and deposits into TELECO accounts. If it is determined that they are financing Aristide's exile,
TELECO should disconnected all these companies no fault. It should be done as soon as possible because the money that is being paid by these phone companies are those paying the likes of IRA KURZBAN, MAXINE WATERS and for ARISTIDE'S EXILE.
PR
columbia, md - Saturday, March 27, 2004 at 17:38:19 (EST)
ABOUT THE SITUATION IN HAITI
How do you feel about the departure of President Aristide: resignation or coup d'état.
Do you think that Guy Philippe and Louis J. Chamblin are heroes or terrorist.
Do you feel that the Bush administration and the U.S Policy towards Haiti is fair or unfair
Do you think that President Aristide should go back or do you think that Haiti will be better without Lavalas.
Should Caricom-O.A.S-or the U.N play major roles in solving Haiti's problem.
How do you feel about the presence of the foreign forces in Haiti.
AND MANY MORE QUESTIONS-LET'S MEET AND TALK ABOUT HAITI
BE PART OF THE COMMUNITY MEETING
THIS SUNDAY MARCH 28,2004 AT 6PM
TAKOMA PARK MUNICIPAL BUILDING
7500 MAPLE AVE TAKOMA PARK MD
The program will be broadcasted on "Haiti A Suivre" in mid April
Jean Claude Vivens <jcvivens@mris.com>
Wheaton , MD - Saturday, March 27, 2004 at 11:01:11 (EST)
This was sent to me by a concerned Haitian citizen. Please allow me to pass this information to ONLY Concerned Haitian Citizens.
Many of you have contacted the Smithsonian Institution requesting additional information about Haiti: Freedom and Creativity From the Mountains to the Sea, so, by popular demand, here it is!
Smithsonian Folklife Festival Commemorates
The Bicentennial of Haitian Independence
Visitors to the 2004 Smithsonian Folklife Festival will experience the arts, music, foods, storytelling and rich craft traditions of Haiti—the second nation in the Americas to win and maintain its freedom (the first was the United States). Haiti was created by people of African descent in 1804 who, in winning their independence, abolished slavery. The Festival will host more than 100 traditional artists and crafts persons, performers, cooks, writers, researchers and cultural experts from Haiti in performances, demonstrations, workshops and concerts outdoors on the National Mall from June 23-27 and June 30-July 4.
The idea for the Festival program, “Haiti: Freedom and Creativity… From the Mountains to the Sea,” originated two years ago with members of the U.S. Haitian community in solidarity with the people of Haiti. “In the face of the current upheavals in Haiti, we cannot afford to lose sight of the very rich, very powerful contributions that the Haitian people continue to make to the world,” says Diana N’Diaye, curator of the Folklife Festival’s Haiti program. “Haitian expressive arts—music, dance, cuisine, craft and architecture—are part of an on-going legacy of freedom and creativity.”
“The achievement of independence and the abolition of slavery by the Haitian people 200 years ago was a major world event,” says Richard Kurin, director of the Smithsonian’s Center for Folklife and Cultural Heritage. “The Smithsonian Folklife Festival provides an excellent forum to honor that historical accomplishment by illustrating the continuing effort of the Haitian people to achieve and express their freedom through the creative use of their rich cultural heritage. Folks in Haiti have been denied so much-we should not now, in this, their bicentennial year of freedom, deny them the recognition their historical legacy so deserves.”
The Festival program will reflect the creative ways in which Haitians have expressed their religious, economic, and civil freedoms. Vodou, an African-based religious system, once outlawed by colonial authorities, persists as a spiritual influence in Haitian life. Visitors will be able to observe participants making vèvès (sacred vodou drawings) in an oumfò or vodou temple, demonstrating the dances of vodou in honor of specific Iwas (deities), playing musical instruments, and taking part in ritual processions.
Performers will present a variety of celebratory events that through Haiti’s history have represented rites of resistance to oppressive rule. These include “Rara,” a processional tradition of village bands playing handmade instruments that takes place after Carnival. Program participants will also present a number of religious-based traditions, such as Moisson (a harvest festival), fanal (construction of paper lanterns at Christmas) and kite making (an Easter-time tradition). Visitors can see ongoing demonstrations of mask making, try on costumes and attend workshops on movement and music.
Visitors will also learn about everyday cooking in the Haitian Kitchen, including how to prepare “Soupe Giraumon” (pumpkin soup), a meal created and first shared on Jan. 1, 1804 in celebration of the Haitian declaration of Independence.
Crafts traditions at the Festival will also illustrate the theme. Master stone carvers engaged in the restoration of the Citadel -- a 19th-century mountain-top fortress built to defend Haiti’s independence--will demonstrate their artistry and skill as they preserve this symbol of freedom.
Haitians have always been adept at the arts of survival in order to ensure economic freedoms. Farming is a way of life in Haiti and Festival visitors will be able to witness the process of growing, harvesting, sorting and roasting beans to make “Haitian Blue,” Haiti’s signature coffee. Craftspeople will demonstrate how they use parts of the banana plant that might otherwise be discarded to make mats and fiber for bags and paper. In the sugar cane tent, visitors will see a mill and get a whiff of several flavorings for kleren, a traditional brew made from sugar cane syrup. Festival visitors will meet artisans from the mountain villages of Haiti who create furniture out of wood or bamboo. They will have the opportunity to try their hands at working with clay and straw under the supervision of traditional potters and master basket makers and hat weavers. Haitian cut-metal specialists will demonstrate their amazing ingenuity as they turn metal oil drums into relief sculptures while visitors attempt to create similar pieces using cardboard.
Tales of Haitian creative expression abound on the Island. At the Festival, Urban street painters will work on a mural depicting their interpretation of an imagined or real Haiti. Visitors can also see a vibrantly colored and beautifully decorated “tap-tap,” a truck or bus that Haitians use to travel from the mountains to the sea. Storytellers at the Krik Krak stage will invite audiences to join in Haitian narratives by first shouting “Krik!” and waiting for the response “Krak!” Music performances will feature konpa, roots music, troubadou and meringue, traditions which through their lyrics and movement tell the story of how Haitians have historically aspired to be free. Haitian Americans, many who have sought freedom and opportunity in the U.S. will participate in “reunion” sessions at the Festival.
Aside from the bicentennial of independence, the Festival program comes amidst an unstable time in Haiti. Organizers hope the Festival plays a role in encourage the respect for and support of the Haitian people. According to Geri Benoit, coordinator of the Haitian National Commission for the Smithsonian Folklife Festival, the program “presents a prime opportunity to showcase the cultural creativity of the Haitian people as an expression of their passion for freedom and liberty. It will strengthen the ties between the Haitian people and those in the diaspora and inform and educate Americans and international visitors about Haitian history, culture and traditions.”
A broad coalition of Haitians, including the Haiti public administration, businesses, scholars, artists and other individuals, Haitian Americans, American friends of Haiti, U.S. government agencies, service organizations, international agencies such as UNESCO and the Inter-American Development Bank, and the governments of several other nations have joined together to make Haitian participation in the Festival possible, Kurin notes. A U.S. leadership committee, co-chaired by Sen. Chris Dodd and Sen. Mike Dewine, has lent important moral support. As Sen Dewine says, “In my more than 13 trips to Haiti, the spirit of the Haitians has touched me. Only a 90-minute flight for our borders, Haiti is the poorest country in our hemisphere, but it's rich in tradition and arts. The Folklife Festival will highlight all that is good about Haiti.” Sen. Dodd adds “ It is my hope that Americans will come away from this summer's festivities with both a new appreciation of Haitian heritage and with a renewed sense of commitment to extending our hand to the Haitian people in meaningful assistance and sincere friendship.”
The annual Smithsonian Folklife Festival, inaugurated in 1967, celebrates folk culture with people from across the United States and around the world. The Festival typically includes daily programs of music, song and dance, crafts and cooking demonstrations, storytelling, workshops and narrative sessions for discussing cultural issues. The Festival attracts about 1 million visitors a year. Hours are 11 a.m. to 5:30 p.m., with special events, concerts and other activities continuing until 9 p.m. The Festival is produced by the Smithsonian Center for Folklife and Cultural Heritage and is co-sponsored by the National Park Service.
Elle
Chevy Chase, MD - Friday, March 26, 2004 at 14:27:03 (EST)
Yopran'm,
Merci...
Mirna
- Friday, March 26, 2004 at 14:04:20 (EST)
mina , epav!
Yopran'm
- Friday, March 26, 2004 at 12:48:18 (EST)
All, want to learn some Haitian proverbs, check this site out, http://harpers.org/WitWisdomHaytians.html
Mirna
- Friday, March 26, 2004 at 12:29:01 (EST)
Edwidge Danticat will be in DC tonight @ Politics and Prose Bookstore (5015 Connecticut Ave, NW, 7 PM
She has a new book out, "The Dew Breaker"
Webmaster <webmaster@echodhaiti.com>
- Friday, March 26, 2004 at 07:11:48 (EST)
Cynical, there is one thing you need to understand, not too many haitians on this board really give a damn about haiti. First of all, some came in the US as babies and others as adolescents, not that I'm making excuses for them. Then, you have others, as long as they can go to haiti for carnival and other entertainment of some sort, they could careless about democracy in haiti. In fact, I'm sure some may still have family in haiti crossing the crisis that is taking place right now. As a matter of fact, I went to the march and I only saw six people from maryland that I know plus myself. Not until the end when different people got on the podium giving their speech, I saw two others. This is the type of event that makes you ask yourself "WHAT'S WRONG WITH MY PEOPLE". The same way you see young african-americans are acting today forgetting what their forefathers or ancesters went through to give them the little bit they are enjoying today, that's the same thing happening to some haitians in the US. A lot of them forget where they come from and who they are especially if they're making a little bit of money.
Le plus haut
White Oak, Md USA - Friday, March 26, 2004 at 00:57:24 (EST)
Thank you so much le peuple
I have more good news-this time it's for the football fans.
As you know Haiti beat the U.S a couple week ago but the final score was 1-1.By that I mean that the goal that we score on the first half was indeed a good goal that the referee kept for taxes.The game also went to an unfair overtime allowing the Americans to equalize the game at the 93rd minute of the game.
Now the good news,our players did so well vs the U.S that six(6) of them are now negotiating contracts with some MLS teams,according to Nono Jean Baptiste.
They are:
Peguero Jean Philippe(Don Bosco) Colorado Rapids
Alexandre Boursicot (Violette) Chicago Fire
David St cius (--------) New England
Mones Chéri (Don Bosco) xxxxxxxxxxx
Watson Coriolan (Violette) Columbus
Jhonny Descolines (Wolado) Los Angeles Galaxy
N.B Watson is only 19 years old.
Jean Claude Vivens <jcvivens@mris.com>
Wheaton, md - Thursday, March 25, 2004 at 20:34:38 (EST)
agimal or ajimal or jcv mon cher kimbe la/ bon bagay merci anpil pou toute belle bagaye sa yo wap voye la.
le peuple
takoma park, md - Thursday, March 25, 2004 at 16:57:15 (EST)
FLASH!!! FLASH!!!
COMING SOON
ALEXANON Magazine
A trilingual, bi-monthly magazine for the haitian, african and African-american communities.
Target Market 20 and Up
Our objective is to Educate and to inform
Notre Objectif est de Former et d'Informer
First publication April 1st 2004
Articles:
Movies: "The Passion of Christ", "I Love you Anne"
Entertainment: Carimi, Interview with TCB or The Sinit
Politics: Aristide un départ forcé? Un retour déjà planifié?
Event: Miss Africa International (Interview with Miss Africa 2004 (Miss Nigeria)
"Al Complices" is back and much more...
We do better than what others do good
Nous faisons mieux ce que les autres font bien
To put your ad or for info call Alex Sanon 240-461-1666
Alex Sanon
Silver Spring, MD - Wednesday, March 24, 2004 at 23:56:52 (EST)
Yes as a show man,please allow me to talk about entertainment.
PEOPLE I HAVE SOME FANTASTIK NEWS
Last night I was invited to an emergency meeting at the DCCC headquarter and guess what:
THE CARNIVAL IS BACK ON GEORGIA AVE
The date is June 26 - show time 12-6pm
Tickets for the April 10 TRANKILL show at Napoli Italian Restaurant will go on sale this weekend,if you need 10 tickets or more contact me at 240-463-7196 for your group discount.There will be no "in advance" tickets for the Easter Sunday show at Los Arrieros.
Jean Claude Vivens <jcvivens@mris.com>
Wheaton, MD - Wednesday, March 24, 2004 at 17:42:05 (EST)
Smoochees,
Hmmmmm....Give me a clue. How about tomorrow? At a public place of your choice!
Gary
- Wednesday, March 24, 2004 at 13:40:35 (EST)
DC.....I don't do hook ups. Taler le bagay yo gate wa tande (smile)
smoochees
- Wednesday, March 24, 2004 at 09:28:02 (EST)
Ok Gary......I'll see you this weekend. Bon, koman wap fe rekonet mwen?
smoochees
- Wednesday, March 24, 2004 at 09:27:04 (EST)
Smoochees,
Come on! M pa tande"non" byen. This weekend would be a good opportunity.
M ap tann ou.
Gary
- Wednesday, March 24, 2004 at 08:36:12 (EST)
Cynical Haitian, I guess we can always talk about Haiti and the match whenever we have extra time in our hands. Right now, we trying to get the HOKE UP. That's my priority.
DC
- Tuesday, March 23, 2004 at 17:50:49 (EST)
Smoochees, where do you live and how old are. Can you hoke me up? I am sure you have some friends. Hoke a brother up sis. Hoke it uppppppppppp...
DC
- Tuesday, March 23, 2004 at 17:37:05 (EST)
Garrrryyyyyyy!!!.....yo di'w non ou di wi (laugh)
smoochees
- Tuesday, March 23, 2004 at 16:42:22 (EST)
So, no one is talking about the National March for Democracy in Haiti. Well, what was the outcome? C’mon guys, you’re like oblivious to the movement. Doesn’t anyone care? Don’t you Haitians give a d**n? So callous and unconcern…, well except for Carimi, Bal, and booty calls.
Cynical Haitian
Anywhere, NY - Tuesday, March 23, 2004 at 15:31:45 (EST)
I'll name names...
cute little Melinda is a sexy MDB
When smoochees is on the dancefloor it's something special
There's also Yanick (the older one) and Natasha...
map swiv
- Tuesday, March 23, 2004 at 14:56:34 (EST)
Smoochees,
I have never met you. But, I would love to meet you. I live in Maryland.
Gary
- Tuesday, March 23, 2004 at 13:48:52 (EST)
"Who R some ov de M.D.B.'s (Most Desirable Bachelors n Bachelorettes) around???
Mke it intrestin' ladies n gents.. name names"
I am one of the MDB's .....
Yopran'm
- Tuesday, March 23, 2004 at 12:56:13 (EST)
DCH.....trust me I did not get offended. I just thought it was kind of rough they way you approach the young lady (wink). It's all good!
No I do not have a boyfriend, I am 2 years younger than you, and YOU DO NOT WANT TO GO OUT WITH ME. I am nothing but TROUBLE (smile)
smoochees
- Tuesday, March 23, 2004 at 08:46:32 (EST)
Dats watt I'm tockin abowt... luv on de line
Who R some ov de M.D.B.'s (Most Desirable Bachelors n Bachelorettes) around???
Mke it intrestin' ladies n gents.. name names
Ncog
Washington, DC - Monday, March 22, 2004 at 20:27:01 (EST)
smoochees, I am sorry if I offended you guys. I am a just come. Forgive me. Hey smoochees, do you have a boyfriend? How old are you? Maybe you and I can go out.
DCH
- Monday, March 22, 2004 at 18:12:25 (EST)
Ou konpran mwen konya...lol
Lakay ap boul boule....ou kon bagay yo
smoochees
- Monday, March 22, 2004 at 16:52:19 (EST)
Sorry, Kreyol la tro fo pou mwen. Mwen konpran'n ou konnye ya.
C'est sure, mwen konnin....toi meme tres bien...lol.
Koman Lakay ap degage'l.
Semwen
Glendale, MD - Monday, March 22, 2004 at 14:02:13 (EST)
semwen....mwen pa di'w ke'm konnin'w non. Mwen di ou ginle ou konnin moi meme tres bien. Sak soupson an ?
smoochees
- Monday, March 22, 2004 at 13:38:51 (EST)
Yopranm......Min wi mwen gin ticket'w. Let me know...
smoochees
- Monday, March 22, 2004 at 13:37:55 (EST)
Smooch,
oh...ho.....m'pa koue ou konnen'm byen. Ban'm yon ti soupson.
Semwen
Glendale, MD - Monday, March 22, 2004 at 13:25:30 (EST)
Lol@ Smoochees... BTW, do you have my ticket? I 've never been to a CARIMI bal, I might check it out.
Yopran'm
- Monday, March 22, 2004 at 12:56:49 (EST)
Semwen....senble'w konnin'm byen. Mwen te la wi. Mwen tap swiv bagay yo anba anba. Politik pa fet pou mwen (wink)
Map nan CARIMI a wi...
smoochees
- Monday, March 22, 2004 at 12:34:16 (EST)
Mezanmiiii.......Smoochees is back! Ki kote'w ou te ye konsa Smooch. Koman'w ye Fenm Gonaives.......LOL.
Ou pral nan Carimi.
Semwen
Glendale, MD - Monday, March 22, 2004 at 12:12:18 (EST)
DChaitian....that was not nice at all. This is not the right way to approach a lady. I don't think lilie is the only one who thinks like that. Ou fek vini maybe you might add a little flavor. The ones that are decent that you might (and I say might) look their way are already taken. It's pittyful around here. Le w'al nan yon bal ou deja konnin ki figi kap la. Toujours les memes. You know what......pito'm pa pale. Si pou'm tap pran pale yo tap lage nan dada'm. An' kite sa. Like I said some out and see for yourself. Maybe you will find a date for Micky next month....ou pa jenm konnin
smoochees
- Monday, March 22, 2004 at 10:45:58 (EST)
DChaitian....I feel you on that. But you must start somewhere. Si se tan wap tan yo vin jwen ou wap tou tounin pwa tan. Get out and mingle dear. Ou jenm konnin....Ou ka fet ak kwaf (smile)
smoochees
- Monday, March 22, 2004 at 10:40:37 (EST)
Lilie....OU MET DI SA FO. I am 100% with you on that. I do not like to judge people (not my place) and I get along with every body but MEZANMI.....bagay yo grav a morrrrrrrr bo isit la. Si yon fanm pense se nan MD lap vin jwen yon gren, I wish them all the luck. Paske mwen minm mwen bo isitl la lon tan. Se ou byen mwen aveg oy byen mwen invisib devan yo. C'est du jamais vu.
smoochees
- Monday, March 22, 2004 at 10:37:55 (EST)
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Silver Spring, MD - Sunday, March 21, 2004 at 13:31:56 (EST)
Thanks Pierre. Yon Yon was asking about you last week. I will pick up the CD.
Evel
Silver Spring, MD - Saturday, March 20, 2004 at 16:21:30 (EST)
Evel,
I think Manbo Diela(spelling) is the author of Ti Sourit.
Pierre-Richard
Columbia, MD - Saturday, March 20, 2004 at 07:27:22 (EST)
How much is the ticket for CARIMI and where can I get them? Is there a discount for buying in advance? Will CARIMI play "Ti Sourit"?
Evel
Silver Spring, MD - Saturday, March 20, 2004 at 01:17:24 (EST)
Does anyone know the name of the group that sing "Ti Sourit"? Mannnn... I downloaded that song last night. I lOVE IT. I need the name of the group so I can buy the CD. That song is one of a kind. PLEASE HELP!
Evel
Silver Spring, MD - Saturday, March 20, 2004 at 00:52:04 (EST)
Jean, I know you are reading this post since you've read my last one.
Se nou k fe konplo ki fe Aristide kite peyi a. Se makout ou ye. Map fe neg lavalas yo arete w le w antre Ayiti.
Evel
Silver Spring, MD - Saturday, March 20, 2004 at 00:46:26 (EST)
Lilie, I think you are one of the tet poul. You probably think you too good to talk guys who does not have a lot of money. NO SICK AND TIRED OF CHICKENHEADS.
DCHaitian
- Friday, March 19, 2004 at 17:09:57 (EST)
SHUT UP PR. you talk too much. get yourself a life and leave Aristide alone.
Haitian Interest
- Friday, March 19, 2004 at 16:45:54 (EST)
No smoochees. I can't go to a Haitian party without a date. I know what these parties are liked. You won't find someone to dance unless you bring your own date. I just moved here from Haiti. I know Haitian women won't dance with you unless they know you.
DCHaitian <dchaitian@yahoo.com>
- Friday, March 19, 2004 at 14:07:46 (EST)
"IMMEDIATE arrest of those who murdered Louis Jodel Chamblain's 7 month pregnant wife"
---How about immediate arrest of those who murdered IZMERY (close friend of the Baron)(spelling). Anmweyyyyyyyyyyyy PR... In that case Chamblain tap jwen jistis, epi yo tap tou fout li prizon---
Soumoune
- Friday, March 19, 2004 at 12:22:16 (EST)
Love, how about:
1.IMMEDIATE arrest of those who murdered Louis Jodel Chamblain's 7 month pregnant wife
2. A FULL investigation of Aristide's drug dealing allegations, his unexplained millions.
3 A FULL investigation of JEAN DOMINIQUE's murder.
You forgot to represent the overwhelming mojority of Haitian people who happen to think Aristide's departure is a good thing.
PR
- Friday, March 19, 2004 at 11:50:54 (EST)
"1. The U.S. FREE President Aristide and RESTORE him back to office or allow him to return to Haiti
2. The Haitian army MUST NOT be allowed to reconstruct themselves
3. The IMMEDIATE ARREST of Louis Jodel Chamblain, Jean Tatoune, Guy Philippe and other FRAPH death squad members (Convicted felons and murderers cannot be a part of Haiti’s democratic process).
4. A congressional investigation to determine the extent of US involvement
5. Asylum be granted to democratic supporters seeking refuge
6. Fair and credible parliamentary elections in Haiti
7. Peaceful and diplomatic resolutions, and an end to the violence and terrorism in Haiti
8. Haiti’s sovereignty and its constitution must be RESPECTED
9. Haitian-Americans and friends to vote for regime change in the White House on November 2, 2004.
10. Haitians must STAND UNITED for peace, reconciliation, in unity today for a stronger Haiti and Diaspora tomorrow"
Love for My People,
The March scheduled for Saturday is in fact a political one.
Pierre R Torchenot
- Friday, March 19, 2004 at 11:30:02 (EST)
!!! Political correctness is not a fashion statement...Vogue Magazine.
jacqueline celestin fils-aime <jahayiti@konbitkreyol.com>
new york, ny - Friday, March 19, 2004 at 11:20:04 (EST)
National March for Democracy in Haiti
Saturday, March 20, 2004, Washington, Dc
WHAT: 10th DOHE (10th Department Organization for Haitian Empowerment) is organizing a National March for Democracy in Haiti in Washington, DC on Saturday March 20, 2004. Haitians from New York, New Jersey, Philadelphia, Connecticut, Boston, Miami, New Orleans, Tennessee, Chicago, West Virginia, and the DC Metropolitan area will march in solidarity with friends of Haiti in the nation’s capital to express their outrage with the unconstitutional removal of Haiti’s elected President on February 29, 2004.
WHY: Since the early morning of February 29, 2004, Haitians who fought and supported the process of democracy have been in hiding. Democratic supporters are now being haunted down by US Marines with Haiti’s former soldiers and FRAPH deaths squad commandos by their side. The US government and the Washington-backed opposition in Haiti have trampled on the Haitian people’s vote and put in place a “selected government.” Haitians and friends of Haiti will be marching this Saturday in the nation’s capital to make the following 10 demands:
1. The U.S. FREE President Aristide and RESTORE him back to office or allow him to return to Haiti
2. The Haitian army MUST NOT be allowed to reconstruct themselves
3. The IMMEDIATE ARREST of Louis Jodel Chamblain, Jean Tatoune, Guy Philippe and other FRAPH death squad members (Convicted felons and murderers cannot be a part of Haiti’s democratic process).
4. A congressional investigation to determine the extent of US involvement
5. Asylum be granted to democratic supporters seeking refuge
6. Fair and credible parliamentary elections in Haiti
7. Peaceful and diplomatic resolutions, and an end to the violence and terrorism in Haiti
8. Haiti’s sovereignty and its constitution must be RESPECTED
9. Haitian-Americans and friends to vote for regime change in the White House on November 2, 2004.
10. Haitians must STAND UNITED for peace, reconciliation, in unity today for a stronger Haiti and Diaspora tomorrow
WHEN: Saturday, March 20, 2004 at 11:00 AM to 5:00 PM
WHERE: Washington, DC - Participants will gather at Constitution Gardens Memorial to kick-off the march beginning at 11:00 am. The marchers will take to the street at 12:00 noon. Participants will march from Constitution Avenue, then Northbound on 23rd Street (next to State Department), East on H Street (next to White House), south on H Street to 14th Street, and 14th street to conclude at the National Mal; where various speakers will address the participants (near the Smithsonian Museum between 13th and 14th).
WHO: The National March for Democracy has been endorsed by Congresswoman Maxine Waters
Congressman John Conyers
Haiti Action Committee
Ajoupa
Veye Yo
Fondasyon Trant Septanm
Haitian American Association
Black Voices for Peace
Haitian American Leadership Council
EPICA (Ecumenical Program on Central America and the Caribbean)
TransAfrica Forum
Pastors for Peace/DC
Washington Peace Center
Global Justice, Inc
Brothers and Sisters International
Haiti Support Project
Washington International Committee on Haiti
Call 202.508.3891 or visit www.10thdepartment.org
Love For My People
- Friday, March 19, 2004 at 11:13:36 (EST)
"i have yet to meet a good looking man... (the whole package)."
Lilie de la Fouque Chaude, (joke)
Just a question: what is the "whole package" as you understand it?
PR
- Friday, March 19, 2004 at 10:42:18 (EST)
"NO CHICHENHEAD PLEASE!" ala koze.... No hard feeling, I 've been going to these parties for the longuest time, i have yet to meet a good looking man... (the whole package). Petet ke mwen fe pati tet poul yo... Ladies what do you think?
Lilie
- Friday, March 19, 2004 at 09:35:09 (EST)
« La 'démocratie' a donc fermé une université et ouvert une caserne… »
Posté le mardi 16 mars 2004
Lettre ouverte du professeur Jean Anil Louis Juste au Conseil de l'Université d'État d'Haïti (CUEH)
Soumis à AlterPresse le 16 mars 2003
Port-au-Prince, le 16 mars 2004
Mesdames et Messieurs les Conseillers,
Hier, j'ai appris avec consternation, la nouvelle de l'installation du Quartier Général des Forces Armées Transnationales, dans les locaux de l'Université Populaire de Tabarre. La « démocratie » a donc fermé une université et ouvert une caserne.
En dépit de la prétention de répandre des lumières en tout lieu et en tout temps, l'ordre du capital contient, nourrit et pratique l'obscurantisme. L'éducation élitiste qu'il a toujours prônée, l'analphabétisme qu'il a souvent contribué à reproduire, et l'aliénation qu'il a su habilement communiquer, représentent des barrières politico-idéologiques efficaces au libre développement de la femme et de l'homme ; l'appropriation privée des richesses produites par les travailleurs, reste et demeure la finalité ultime de cette déshumanisation.
En s'installant manu militari dans les locaux de l'Université Populaire de Tabarre, les Forces Armées du Capital transnational viennent de commettre le même crime de lèse-culture et de lèse-humanité, qu'avait perpétré le président haïtien Jean Pierre Boyer, quand il occupa la République Dominicaine, en 1821 : fermer l'Université de Santo Domingo et y ouvrir une caserne !
L'impérialisme étatsunien ne s'est pas contenté d'occuper le pays une troisième fois ; il n'est pas satisfait d'organiser cette invasion, juste après la commémoration - bien que contestée - du Bicentenaire de l'Indépendance. Il a résolument décidé de vilipender toute revendication populaire qui s'exprime de manière autonome dans le pays. La transformation de l'espace universitaire de Tabarre en une caserne d'occupation militaire, symbolise à la fois, un superbe déni de la demande combien légitime du Mouvement Étudiant du 5 décembre, et une arrogante négation du Droit des Secteurs Populaires à l'Éducation supérieure. Les agissements de l'occupant sont d'autant plus inacceptables qu'il les accomplit dans une institution d'éducation supérieure qui se baptise populaire, - même si, en réalité, ce populaire est étranger à toute construction d'alternatives pour l'émancipation humaine, eu égard aux pratiques populiste et dictatoriale de son fondateur-, et où coopèrent des enseignants formés dans la culture anti-impérialiste léguée par l'intellectuel combattant José Martí et le projet socialiste de la Révolution cubaine.
Le Conseil de l'Université, organe suprême de l'Institution, est en droit de protester énergiquement contre la perpétration de ce crime de lèse-culture et de lèse-humanité contre l'extension du réseau universitaire public en Haïti. En attendant sa demande formelle de déguerpissement à adresser au Gouvernement de la République d'Haïti, le Conseil de l'Université devrait convoquer, sans délai, la communauté universitaire en vue de débattre de la question.
En tant que professeur à l'UEH, je viens, par la présente, exprimer ma plus vive protestation contre la perpétration de cet acte répréhensible qui symbolise, de manière visible, la nouvelle colonisation du pays par le capital néo-libéral. Au nom de la Liberté forgée par nos ancêtres, les Marrons et Esclaves de Saint-Domingue, j'exige le retrait immédiat des troupes de l'occupation et la restitution de l'Université Populaire de Tabarre à l'Université d'État d'Haïti, car celle-là fait partie du patrimoine culturel de celle-ci, pour avoir été construite avec des fonds détournés de la coopération entre le Peuple Haïtien et les Peuples cubain et chinois.
Recevez, Mesdames et Messieurs les Conseillers, l'expression de mes salutations patriotiques.
Jn Anil Louis-Juste
Professeur
Berger
MD - Friday, March 19, 2004 at 08:47:25 (EST)
DChaitian......come to CARIMI next weekend at the zanzibar. You will meet a lot of single haitian female.
smoochees
- Friday, March 19, 2004 at 08:44:53 (EST)
Hi everyone! I just moved to this DC. Is there any single Haitian female between the age of 24 to 28 around here? If so, please send email to dchaitian@yahoo.com.
NO CHICHENHEAD PLEASE!
DCHaitian <dchaitian@yahoo.com>
Washington, DC - Thursday, March 18, 2004 at 19:55:30 (EST)
Lol@Semwen. Ban kite bouda ti mouche twankil avan li fet bat mwen nan merylan.
PR
- Thursday, March 18, 2004 at 17:30:36 (EST)
ouhhhhhhhh....PR, kite bagay Aristide en paix non pitit.
Semwen
Glendale, MD - Thursday, March 18, 2004 at 16:11:23 (EST)
"A report by the Center for Security Policy's, Frank Gaffney, noted during the Clinton years: "U.S. Intelligence believes Aristide to be a clinical psychotic, an individual who is sufficiently mentally unstable as to require medication and institutional treatment for depression and megalomania. The center has learned, moreover, that he is addicted to the drugs that stabilize his condition."
Here is another link, interesting resding:
http://www.faculty.fairfield.edu/faculty/hodgson/Courses/so191/LatinAmerReadings/haiti.html
PR
Columbia, MD - Thursday, March 18, 2004 at 13:39:15 (EST)
whoever is advertiseing this Carimi party should promote more because not many people know of it. There are many new Haitians who have moved to the MD/DC area and they really have no means of knowing what is going on. You should really advertise on sites such as everythinghaitain, sakapfet & haitian connection also.
hey hey
USA - Thursday, March 18, 2004 at 13:38:02 (EST)
I WOULD LIKE TO GO TO THE MARCH ON SATURDAY. ANYONE INTERESTED IN FORMING OR GROUP OR WOULD MINE FOR ME TO JOIN THEM. I JUST MOVED TO MD AND DON'T KNOW MANY FELLOW ACTIVIST.
GRANDEFEMME
- Thursday, March 18, 2004 at 10:41:03 (EST)
gaasgd, wow, you don't say??
really?
map swiv
- Thursday, March 18, 2004 at 10:35:49 (EST)
I think hati is in trouble
gaaasgd <5485289>
new york, city - Thursday, March 18, 2004 at 10:25:31 (EST)
I just found out that the march for Haiti is this weekend.
I hope some of you will walk the walk, instead of just talk.
Look for me, I'll be up front...
map swiv
- Thursday, March 18, 2004 at 09:58:21 (EST)
Yopranm....ou konnin si se te bal mwen se VIP ou tap ye ladan. Ou kon met bal deja (wink)
smoochees
- Wednesday, March 17, 2004 at 12:44:08 (EST)
Smoochees, can I get a discount ? lol....
Yopran'm
- Wednesday, March 17, 2004 at 10:19:52 (EST)
All,
I have tickets for the CARIMI bal. You can reach me at siwomiel@hotmail.com for more info.
smoochees <siwomiel@hotmail.com>
- Wednesday, March 17, 2004 at 10:05:47 (EST)
Grandefemme....I tell people that every day. DO NOT STRESS LIFE. Enjoy every minute that you can because you do not know when your number will be called.
smoochees
- Wednesday, March 17, 2004 at 08:44:18 (EST)
US State Dept suspends firearms and ammo shipments to Jamaica
The US State Department has reportedly suspended the shipment of all firearms and ammunition to Jamaica.
At least two gun dealers in Kingston received notification from their suppliers in the United States Tuesday.
According to one report, the notice from the State Department indicated that the ban on the supply of arms and ammunition extended to the Jamaica Defence Force and the police force.
However the notification did not say why the decision was made to suspend supplies.
The US Embassy in Kingston on Tuesday afternoon said it was unable to confirm or deny the reports.
According to Embassy officials, they would have to check before responding to queries from our News Centre.
The State Department web site also made no mention of the issue.
However sources say this could be the latest move in the deepening diplomatic row between Jamaica and the United States over Haiti.
The Jamaican Government joined its CARICOM partners in expressing concern about the US role in the ousting of former Haitian President Jean Bertrand-Aristide and called for an independent investigation into the matter.
Senior US officials on Monday responded by criticising Jamaica for allowing the former president to visit the island at this time.
PR
- Wednesday, March 17, 2004 at 08:01:32 (EST)
I need a keyboard player and maybe a guitar player too for this new band.
thanks
Gaston
Gastun21@hotmail.com
Gaston Cherichel <gastun21@hotmail.com>
GRAND RAPIDS, MI - Tuesday, March 16, 2004 at 23:50:21 (EST)
So sad about Herby I met him when I went to buy my car in November. He was trying to get me to buy a Toyota. Life is so short you really don't know hen your last day is.
GRANDEFEMME
- Tuesday, March 16, 2004 at 16:41:04 (EST)
PR....that's him. Bold, short and in his early 40's
smoochees
- Tuesday, March 16, 2004 at 08:52:23 (EST)
Yopranm...thanks girl
Aji....will do today
smoochees
- Tuesday, March 16, 2004 at 08:51:29 (EST)
Grandefemme.....I'll be looking out for you.
smoochees
- Tuesday, March 16, 2004 at 08:50:54 (EST)
Mapswiv,
Now that you've exhausted the "legal aspect" of Aristide contract as president and which is no longer relevant, I see you're on patriotic tip. You guys are amazing. Weeks before he resigned, JBA called for Foreign intervention. They intervened with a slightly different plan than the invoker's. Now suppose that they came to Aristide's rescue when he requested it, and people died as a result, would you feel the same way as you do now? Would you repudiate JBA?
Smooch, I think I met Herby. Was he in the late 30's to 40's and bald?
PR
- Monday, March 15, 2004 at 18:18:04 (EST)
So sad about Herby.
May god bless his soul,he was always so kind to me and to people I send to Dacars.He was also a sponsor of WACAHAPA.
Smooches I'm leaving town this Thursday,try to call me asap.I no longer have your # because something terrible happenned to my phone memory.
240-463-7196
Jean Claude Vivens <jcvivens@mris.com>
Wheaton, MD - Monday, March 15, 2004 at 17:54:39 (EST)
So sad about Herby.
May god bless his soul,he was always so kind to me and to people I send to Dacars.He was also a sponsor of WACAHAPA.
Smooches I'm leaving town this Thursday,try to call me asap.I no longer have your #,because something terrible happenned to my phone memory.
240-463-7196
Jean Claude Vivens <jcvivens@mris.com>
Wheaton, MD - Monday, March 15, 2004 at 17:52:39 (EST)
Haitians are dying; nothing new, but now they're dying by the guns of US Marines also.
The tides are changing, more and more people are starting to question the US role in the coup in Haiti.
map swiv
- Monday, March 15, 2004 at 17:19:56 (EST)
Smoochees, mes sympathies...
Yopran'm
- Monday, March 15, 2004 at 15:29:43 (EST)
SEE YOU AT ZANZIBAR SMOOCHES !!!!
GRANDEFEMME
- Monday, March 15, 2004 at 14:33:27 (EST)
I just found out that we have lost a well known haitian in our community. I don't have much info yet. He was very close to my familly. He's name was Herby and he worked at DARCARS TOYOTA in the finance department on cherry hill lane. He died Saturday at work.
smoochees
- Monday, March 15, 2004 at 14:33:16 (EST)
Bon mezanmi apa mwen tande ke yo paka fe gouvenman jiskaprezan an Ayiti paske tout pati politik bezouin gin minis pa yo. Alatraka pou ou ti peyi. Ki kote ou moun brale avek ban visie sa yo. Mwen mem Pemyie Minis-la, mwen mand tout rezime-yo.
Ayisyen
Ayisyen
- Monday, March 15, 2004 at 13:57:45 (EST)
CEEPCO RECORDS
www.checkoutcds.com
invites you to celebrate
Spring Bash 2004
with
CARIMI
Saturday, March 27, 2004
10:30PM to 4:00AM
ZANZIBAR on-the waterfront
700 Water Street, SW
Washington, DC
$25 in advance
Tickets can be purchased online at www.ceepcorecords.com
Info: 301-648-4800
CEEPCO RECORDS <sales@ceepco.com>
Silver Spring, MD - Sunday, March 14, 2004 at 15:37:38 (EST)
gooooaalllllllll
gooooaalllllllll
Ammmweeeeeeeeedd
Haiti is whooping ass
PR
- Saturday, March 13, 2004 at 21:35:26 (EST)
Football fans, Haiti-vs-USA tonight on pay-per-view
PR
- Saturday, March 13, 2004 at 06:59:02 (EST)
Mr Patterson fèk di ni Haiti ni US ké li ka résévwa moune li vlé la kay li.
Chimè yo di ké yo pral kontré Titid Jamayik
Géra Latortu di pa gen lajan pou réfè lamé é li contan ké Titid té rétiré moune sa yo sou moune.
Pwazon
Silver Spring, Md - Friday, March 12, 2004 at 20:52:52 (EST)
Smooches,médame et la triyé si nou pa vwa nan carimi na vwa nan trankill.En natadan dada'm bouké chita,et dé pié'm ap mandé compas,mwen pa bézwen di nou pou dévan'm
Pwazon
Silver Spring, Md - Friday, March 12, 2004 at 19:35:51 (EST)
We are in the completion stages of the Bluewaterpages.com
This is an extension of the Philadelphia Haitian community directory. The community directory is a yellow pages dedicated to help the community members (organizations, business owners, professionals and members, etc) in different parts of the United States. We first completed the Philadelphia community directory but now we are including NY, NJ with other states to follow ( DC, FL, CH, etc).If you are interested in our project or if you are interested in getting your business/ organization listed in our paper directory and in our website Bluewaterpages.com ,please contact us and visit our site and let us know how we can help you.
Visit us Bluewaterpages.com
mcduff@bluewaterpages.com
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Mcduff Goldman <Mcduff@bluewaterpages.com>
- Friday, March 12, 2004 at 19:27:13 (EST)
Aristide's latest plan to visit Jamaica for 10 weeks have many people questioning his motive. While most of us can agree that this move undoubtedly will fan the current fire in Haiti, others say that it's "business" related. According to an unidentified source, Aristide is planning to invest in Jamaica. Amid a dilema which is he the center peice, Aristide wants to start investing in Jamaica, yet he is not seeking political assylum in Jamaica. I don't about the rest of guys on echodhaiti, something isn't right. Let's entertain the "investing venture" idea in Jamaica, so Aristide is using millions of Haitians money to further Jamaican society? Why Jamaica? Is it to rub it in the face of Haitians? Either way you look at Aristide latest move, there is something fundamentally wrong.
This dude has no class!
Let see how this thing unflods!
PR
- Friday, March 12, 2004 at 18:39:46 (EST)
Below are bits and peices from an article, the link is also provided.
-AU-PRINCE, Haiti (Reuters) - U.S. Marines fought new gunbattles in Haiti as consternation spread on Friday in the poor, strife-torn nation over plans by ousted President Jean-Bertrand Aristide to return to the Caribbean.
Marine Staff Sgt. Tim Edwards said a patrol came under attack in Port-au-Prince twice on Thursday evening.
"Neither the Marines nor the gunmen suffered casualties," Edwards said.
A shotgun was found when U.S. soldiers and Haitian police searched the area of the firefight in the heavily looted industrial zone of Saint Martin near the airport, but no one was arrested.
The gunmen are suspected of being Aristide supporters,
His proximity a mere 115 miles from Haiti's shores could fuel discontent in the slums where he enjoyed the most support, and which disarmament experts say are awash with firearms.
Two people died and at least six were injured on Thursday when police fired tear gas to break up a pro-Aristide rally by thousands of people, and militants whipped out guns - including high-powered Uzis - to shoot back at police.
"(Jamaican Prime Minister P.J.) Patterson is making a very big mistake," opposition leader Charles Baker, a wealthy industrialist, said in an interview.
'BLOOD ON HIS HANDS'
"Aristide will inflame passions and give more fuel to his assassins. If people are killed in Haiti with Aristide in Jamaica, Patterson will have part of the blood on his hands."
(Additional reporting by Amy Bracken)
By Michael Christie and Ibon Villelabeitia
Source: Drudge Report
URL: http://news.myway.com/top/article/id/195592|top|03-12-
http://www.africancrisis.org/NewsView.asp?Rec=2188&Action=V&Sort=D&Page=1&
PR
columbia, MD - Friday, March 12, 2004 at 17:57:56 (EST)
Y'all got to be sh&*^i^@#ting me!!!!!!!
Because he is going to be in Jamaica, you have him getting arms from South Africa, and rallying his "chimeres"?????
Where do you all get this stuff????
PR, You've spit out alot of rhetoric, but I never thought you would go so low.
That is ridiculous.
map swiv
- Friday, March 12, 2004 at 15:17:20 (EST)
I am a journalist and I need information urgently on
Evans Paul, Mischa Gaillard and Andy Apaid jnr.
I need everything about them, but balance information
please.
I need it today and would prefer English translation.
Merci'.
Erica Virtue <pretty_black_woman2000@yahoo.com>
- Friday, March 12, 2004 at 13:16:03 (EST)
It a psychological, organizational, as a well as accessibility move. He will organize his terror network, fuel his chimeres as they know that he is not very far, and he will be more accessible. And remember, Mkeki of South Africa sent arms to Haiti but never reached there, instead, reached Jamaica. Who knows what kind of weapons that are now waiting and available to Aristide and his mercenaries. You're right, Aristide cares about no one.
PR
Columbia, MD - Friday, March 12, 2004 at 13:08:19 (EST)
Grandefemme......CARIMI is still on. Rendez-vous a se nan ZANZIBAR
smoochees
- Friday, March 12, 2004 at 12:56:42 (EST)
To correct EchodHaiti, Ti Maurice will be in Jamaica for 8 to 10 weeks not a few days.
What do you guys think? My opinion is he'll be there to meet with his "Chimeres" and plan his return... They better keep an eye on him... At this point, he doesn't care about anyone...
"In Jamaica, Prime Minister P.J. Patterson said Thursday that Aristide, who fled to Africa on Feb. 29 amid a bloody rebellion, would visit his country early next week and stay for eight to 10 weeks."
Mirna
- Friday, March 12, 2004 at 12:29:11 (EST)
Echodhaiti,
I read the same thing. Prime minister Patterson is mingling in affairs that do not concern him. Aristide lastest attempt is only going to fuel the unrest and cause more violence. He will hang himself!
PR
Columbia, MD - Friday, March 12, 2004 at 12:07:01 (EST)
According to the Associated Press, former Haitian president Mr. Jean-Bertrand Aristide and his wife Mildred Trouillot-Aristide will travel to Jamaica to visit his kids who are still in the US. Mr. Arisitide and his wife have been in exile in the Central African Republic Since Sunday Ferburay 29, 2004 when he lelf Haiti aboard a jet provided by the US government. The Jamaican government says the former Haitian leader will be in Jamaica just for a few days and will not say there. According to a Jamaican governement spokesperson, the former Haitian president is not seeking asylum there.
www.echodhaiti.com <www.echodhaiti.com>
- Friday, March 12, 2004 at 10:52:41 (EST)
Luv on Echo d. I lut it!
Lass yeer twas Melnda n dat dude... watt eva happen 2 dat?
Joseph may b U could hook up wit Grandefemme?
Ncog
Washington, DC - Friday, March 12, 2004 at 10:29:07 (EST)
Hey Maryland what's up ?
this is DJ Kiko , I'm new in md, so I heard there's a lot of beautiful Haitian girls here, 23 >> 30 yold . so don't be shy, contact me! Well ! I’m a kind of quite person, very honest, educated, passionate, I’m a computer engineer since 1995.
I’m only interested in talking to a haitian girl who know how to carry a good conversation. No holster please!
I’m single and wouldn’t mind getting to know a girl to see where it may lead. So here's my email address djkiko_72@yahoo.com
Joseph <djkiko_72@yahoo.com>
hyattsville, md - Friday, March 12, 2004 at 08:06:40 (EST)
I just receive confirmation that "Haiti A Suivre" can use the council chamber of the city of Takoma Park to video tape a show in front of a live audience regarding the situation in Haiti.
If you are interested to make your voice/opinion heard,this is the time.The show will be recorded on Sunday the 28th of March at 6pm.Plan to be there by 5 pm because once the taping starts the doors will be locked.
Call JCV PRODUCTIONS at 240-463-7196 "asap" to reserve your seat and to receive futher instructions.
Jean Claude Vivens <jcvivens@mris.com>
Wheaton, md - Thursday, March 11, 2004 at 18:06:32 (EST)
HAS THE CARIMI PARTY BEEN ADVERTISED? IT WILL BE AT ZANZIBAR SO I HOPE IT WILL BE GOOD.
P.S IM LOOKING FOR A DATE LOL!!!
GRANDEFEMME
SILVER SPRINGS , MD - Thursday, March 11, 2004 at 16:55:21 (EST)
Aji....Flex rentre hier. Wap jwen li kay E.
smoochees
- Thursday, March 11, 2004 at 09:09:27 (EST)
Agi, sak-ap fet, pale ave-m pitit gason-m, sak gen nan
loj. Ban-m yon kol pa-m.
Le Plus Haut
White Oak, - Wednesday, March 10, 2004 at 18:15:57 (EST)
Les forces d'occupation n'ont pas levé le petit doigt
pour protéger les personnes et les biens.
Et ils ne le lèveront jamais
par Gérard Bissainthe
Que ceux qui se faisaient et se font encore des illusions sur la mission de la
Wran
USA - Wednesday, March 10, 2004 at 15:41:44 (EST)
Yopranm....marin djazz? Se jouda mwen bezwen al fe wi. Mwen bezwen we sou kisa mesye yo kanpe. Byen ke aji di yo TRANKIL....mwen ta rinmin we si se vre tout de bon....lol
Aji....I'm only kidding. I take your word....but I still want to hear them practice.
smoochees
- Wednesday, March 10, 2004 at 14:15:09 (EST)
Copy and paste
http://images.snapfish.com/339;;6:323232fp54=ot>2329=23234;5936:33ot1lsi
smoochees
- Wednesday, March 10, 2004 at 14:12:09 (EST)
Smoochee's eske jazz gin marin' deja? Yo pap cheche chantez, pouki ou pa aplike? lol... Girl I am teasing...
Yopran'm
- Wednesday, March 10, 2004 at 14:08:49 (EST)
Try this link....copy and paste it
http://www.shutterfly.com/osi.jsp?i=67b0de21b34e2b5425b0
smoochees
- Wednesday, March 10, 2004 at 14:08:14 (EST)
click on the link below
smoochees <http://www.shutterfly.com/osi.jsp?i=67b0de21b34e2b5425b0>
- Wednesday, March 10, 2004 at 14:03:54 (EST)
Lisez Messieurs,
La Beaute d'une Femme:
La beauté d'une femme n'est pas dans
les vêtements qu'elle porte, son
visage ou sa façon d'arranger ses
cheveux. La beauté d'une femme se
voit dans ses yeux, car c'est la
porte ouverte sur son coeur,
la source de son amour.
La beauté d'une femme n'est pas dans
son maquillage, mais dans la vraie
beauté de son âme. C'est la tendresse
qu'elle donne, l'amour, la passion
qu'elle exprime.
La beauté d'une femme se développe
avec les années.
Semwen
Glendale, MD - Wednesday, March 10, 2004 at 13:41:15 (EST)
Aji....ou kon movemen yo....lol (smile). Li te ka mande E vraiment....lol. Why me? Se moun pa'm li ye....lol.
Anyway, I'll give him your number. Ki le djazz la repete? I would to assist one of your repetition. If that's possible. That way i can give you guys some feedback. Mwen senti TRANKILL ap solid. Se ke'm ki cho konsa wi. Mwen pa ka tan Avril.
Ou konnin fok mwen la kan meme. Juste voye VIP kat mwen banm.
smoochees
- Wednesday, March 10, 2004 at 09:26:11 (EST)
So this is where the Haitian people in DC meet to discuss politics. GOOD SITE!!!
Mwen we Andre Apaid ap Aristide pou l negosye. Kot sa n gen la a pou na l separe a. Ti kal pouvwa a pa menm ase. Pa gen ase pouvwa la a pou n separe avek Ameriken.
All joking aside, I am not happy with the way Aristide was removed from office. But Aristide should move on... Haiti needs a fresh start.
Evel
Silver Spring, MD - Tuesday, March 09, 2004 at 21:45:46 (EST)
Smooches,you may give my public # any time to any body,mais entre nous ma chère ou connen zanmi yan té ka mandé E or E.Li té bézwen fè you ti palé avè'w,nan chèché ti pawol li mandé'w # Agi.
Just joking to take a break from this politik voyé pié here on echo.By the way sister the show is getting closer,the flyer is now out,it will soon be posted here on echo.
TRANKILL-TRANKILL- TRANKILL
Jazz la TRANKILL fanatik yo PoZé -- STaFF PoZé
Rendez vous 10 Avril nan NAPOLI et LE 11 Avril(Dimanche Paques) nan Los Arrieros.
OU PA KA PALA SMOOCHES-KI DWA'W POU PA TA LA -STaFF PoZé.
Agimal
Wheaton, MD - Tuesday, March 09, 2004 at 18:03:54 (EST)
oh OK.....I cirrrrrrrrr.....lol. En tou ka map swiv ou sou board la. Bali Boliva ;)
smoochees
- Tuesday, March 09, 2004 at 10:42:28 (EST)
Hey smooch,
I went into hibernation(winter)! And don't hold anything against me please, I've been in a trance like state for the past month or so.
PR
- Tuesday, March 09, 2004 at 09:57:27 (EST)
Mr. Ajimal....how r ya? Hope all is well. Flex needs to get in touch with you. I'll go ahead and give him your number.
smoochees
- Tuesday, March 09, 2004 at 08:56:53 (EST)
PR....ou resi we'm nan gwo liv la? Pou dat map di'w bonjou/bonswa sou board la. Ou si telman bz nan politik ou pa jenm remake sa.....lol
Ain't nothing up. How r u? Kote'w kache konsa? Moun pa we moun....lol
smoochees
- Tuesday, March 09, 2004 at 08:56:05 (EST)
thank you so much "love for our people"!!! i think that we need to take back our country. i know it will not be easy and it will be a long road. however, we must do this for our children and their children. if not, haiti will die.
jubilee113
brooklyn, ny - Monday, March 08, 2004 at 21:10:43 (EST)
hello all. i know everyone is commenting on haiti's current political climate right now. however, i have some questions about the educational system of haiti. i am an education major and i want to start a summer school in la colline, aquin. i was wondering if anyone knew anything about the educational system of haiti. when does the school year start and end? what is the curriculum like? are there currently any summer schools in haiti (rural or city schools)? thanx in advance.
jubilee113 <jubilee113@hotmail.com>
brooklyn, ny - Monday, March 08, 2004 at 20:59:59 (EST)
"Reuters) - Haitian President Jean-Bertrand Aristide plans to sue the United States and France for allegedly kidnapping him, one of his lawyers said Monday"
The above is an extract from an Yahoo.com article. I have questions for anyone with sense. For conversation sake, let say that JBA sues and win. Who would take him to haiti? How could he effectively resume his presidency? How much blood would be shed as a result?
Whattup smooch?
PR
Columbia, MD - Monday, March 08, 2004 at 17:18:00 (EST)
OO.....sak gin la? Gadon chale. All ya need to cool down. It ain't that serious. Se sak fe peyi nou an nan eta li ye a wi. Nou bat ko nou twop. Chill people....CHHHHIIIIILLLLLL!!!
smoochees
- Monday, March 08, 2004 at 16:52:02 (EST)
"The US "liberates" Haiti from Jean Bertrand Aristide to "avoid a blood bath" - puts in "Democracy" and still people are in hidding, are dying in broad day light."
So so true.
Aristide's terror network is working overtime. After I catch Bin Laden, Aristide's name will be next in line.
That's my Bush
- Monday, March 08, 2004 at 13:09:19 (EST)
The US "liberates" Afganistan from the Taliban - puts in Democracy, and today the country is full of terrorism.
The US "liberates" Iraq from "evil dictator who kills his own people," - puts in Democracy, and today car bombings are common.
The US "liberates" Haiti from Jean Bertrand Aristide to "avoid a blood bath" - puts in "Democracy" and still people are in hidding, are dying in broad day light.
Say "non mèsi" to US help. We can kill ourselves without their "help."
Sad I am You sane
- Monday, March 08, 2004 at 12:04:12 (EST)
Massacre in Haiti.
This what is being reported and I quote:
"Just 8 days after the massive looting and the depart of
JBA. The opposition organize a march today and thousand of people were in the streets. The foreign army were parading showing up their massive guns and armored vehicles.
At about 2 PM A mass shooting started from the OP Lavalas with AK 47 and Kadafi and here are the results:
Cesar Milford, Francois Joseph, Ricardo Alwitch Pierre Louis, Ortega a mexican journalist in Canape Vert's Hospital. Pablo Aneli a journalist from AP is wounded.
Daline Dorssaint, Sadrack Jean Pierre, Felix Sheryl, Francois Marie Yolenne, Monbeigne pasteur, Rameau Simon, Jacques Evens, and more wounded people are going to other hospitals.
It has also been reported by Mr. Baker from Groupe 184 that a meeting was organized last night with Yvon Neptune, the Prime Minister, Jocelerme Privert, and other prominent Lavalas leaders to set up this massacre today."
Aristide is pulling serious strings from Bangui, Central Africa.
PR
columbia, md - Sunday, March 07, 2004 at 17:48:36 (EST)
Hum,
Pitidkay has officially been diagnosed with an emotionally inflicted injury resulting from the departure of his idol, JBA. Now he calls himself fighting neo-colonialism. He is delusional. He and Haitian Interest, together, form a synergistic tag-team of idiocy.
Please ignore them!
PR
- Sunday, March 07, 2004 at 16:33:57 (EST)
Pititkay
I do not know what i could have been right about. I just told you to talk about what you know. If you want to combat neocolonialism as you said, you should be talking about the sophisticated crimes committed by the neocolonialists. You should not be saying that PR was carrying a cane, that he went to poor schools, and walked dirt road. You should talk about what you know. What you are doing is trying to make the man look bad because of his position against a regime you probably supported. I am telling you now, you are either confused about who the man is, or you are just another lavallassien. This is exactly what they do: spread lies about people. To tell you the truth, i would be on your side if you were really attacking neocoloniaalism. At that time you would have talked about fortunes that people made in the name of patriotism. A prime example of that is the man you are defending. I personnally did not like the way things went down last week. Aristide should have refused to board the plane and fight. He decided to run, so he can run his mouth again, just like you are doing now. Aristide came on CNN to beg for help to avoid a bloodbath. According to his words from Africa, he was told the very same words. He finally realized that the international was not about to secure his positions, he shifted the fight. That could have worked 14 years ago, but now Aristide is a known liar, people do not believe him anymore.
Pititkay, start talking about neocolonialism, I will be delighted to learn what you know. Respect yourself, and bring arguments that matter in your cause. If you can bring something to the table, we will talk, otherwise find yourself someone else to talk to.
hum
- Sunday, March 07, 2004 at 16:15:53 (EST)
THIS IS A COPY OF THE "RESIGNATION LETTER" SAID TO BE WRITTEN BY ARISTIDE ON THE MORNING OF HIS DEPARTURE ON SUNDAY FEBRUARY 28, 2004. PRESIDENT ARISTIDE HANDED THIS LETTER TO AN AMERICAN DIPLOMAT, MR. MORENO ON THE TARMAC OF TOUSSAIN LOUVERTURE AIRPORT AS A PLANE CHARTERED BY THE PENTAGON TO TAKE HIM INTO EXILE LANDED A 6:00AM.
7 Fevriye 2001,
M te sèmante pou respekte e fè respekte Konstitisyon an.
Aswè a, 28 Fevriye 2004, mwen toujou deside
Respekte e fè respektè Konstitisyon an.
Konstitisyon an se garanti lavi ak lapè.
Konstitisyon an pa dwe nwaye nan san Pèp Ayisyen.
Se pou sa, si aswè a se demisyon m ki pou evite yon beny san,
M aksepte ale ak espwa va gen lavi e non lanmò.
Lavi pou tout moun.
Lanmò pou pèsonn.
Nan respekte Konstitisyon an,
E nan fè respekte Konstitisyon an,
Ayiti va gen lavi ak lapè.
Mèsi.
Lalane <lalane@yahoo.com>
- Sunday, March 07, 2004 at 16:10:47 (EST)
Pititkay
I do not know what i could have been right about. I just told you to talk about what you know. If you want to combat neocolonialism as you said, you should be talking about the sophisticated crimes committed by the neocolonialists. You should not be saying that Pierre was carrying a cane. You should talk about what you know. What you are doing is trying to make the man look bad because his position against a regime you probably supported. I am telling you now, you are either confused about who the man is, or you are just another lavallassien. This exactly what they do: spread lies about people. To tell you the truth, i would be on your side if you were really attacking neocoloniaalism. At that time you would have talked about fortunes that people made in the name of patriotism. A prime example of that is the man you are defending. I personnally did not like th
Well HUM you could have been right 10 years ago. Now I am in it for the Haitian people not for a party or one person.
I am fighting the aristocratic mentality of some haitian folks that the moment they have a dollar or live closer to the white man, they think they should defend the white status quo. They are blinded, they can not even see the neo-colonialism policy that are being put in place throughout the world.
Pititkay
hum
- Sunday, March 07, 2004 at 16:01:06 (EST)
PR can not hang anymore, it is getting hot in here for him. I knew that, now he is sending one of his body guard to do the work for me. Lavalassien me, Well HUM you could have been right 10 years ago. Now I am in it for the Haitian people not for a party or one person.
I am fighting the aristocratic mentality of some haitian folks that the moment they have a dollar or live closer to the white man, they think they should defend the white status quo. They are blinded, they can not even see the neo-colonialism policy that are being put in place throughout the world.
Pititkay
laurel, MD - Sunday, March 07, 2004 at 12:31:29 (EST)
Jacques Beaudoin Ketant on TV
Check your programming for Sunday March 7, 2004 on ABC World News Tonight between 6:00 and & 7:00 PM EST. Jacques Beaudouin Ketant is going to be interviewed. Stay tuned....
I am not sure of the validity of this information.
PR
Columbia, MD - Sunday, March 07, 2004 at 05:05:48 (EST)
"I am above that; therefore I will not post anymore message on this board. It was nice charting with you all."
A guiness book record!
Please make it. Hey PR, speaking of cheating; I thought Pititkay already cheated in your jeep with your wife and let the condom on you baby seat.
Even more disappointing.
Look, I am here on Echodhaiti to help maintain the integrety of this site, no to undermine their hard work . I entertained PitidLakay's nonsense simply to show him that I can interface on any level. I've disproved both of you when you interfaced on a formal level, and I can clown both of you in a not so formal conversation. Now it's obvious that are not very creative, therefore I will ignore both of you modern day dunces.
PR
- Saturday, March 06, 2004 at 21:36:01 (EST)
Oops! Pititkay, I think you are in trouble. LOL. PR butt buddy (Hum) is not happy with you. I am dying to see the website myself. Please make it. Hey PR, speaking of cheating; I thought Pititkay already cheated in your jeep with your wife and let the condom on you baby seat.
Haitian Interest
- Saturday, March 06, 2004 at 19:54:31 (EST)
A cane? A pimp?
Dude, you got the wrong guy! I am not the one pimping your wife! When you kiss her tonight, make sure you aren't got someone else babies on your lips.
I really thought you could entertain me. I am disappointed with you.
Let me get back to work. I hope you find you're man!
Hit me up when you can hang,son!
PR
columbia, md - Saturday, March 06, 2004 at 16:13:00 (EST)
Pititkay,
This is the problem with Lavalassien. You are accusing the guy, you do not even know who he is. Now you are telling him he is carrying a can. I need to let you know that you have the wrong target. If he were carrying a cane for real, it would have been to put it up your ...
Hum
- Saturday, March 06, 2004 at 15:34:40 (EST)
Pititkay,
This is the problem with Lavalassien. You are accusing the guy, you do not even know who he is. Now you are telling him he is carrying a can. I need to let you know that you have the wrong target. If he were carrying a can for real, it would have been to put it up your ...
Hum
- Saturday, March 06, 2004 at 15:33:42 (EST)
Folks,
PR Got me going and i have it up to here.
Coming soon the website you all been waiting for WWW.PRTorchenotThearistocrat.net
I am debating about charging a fee to access the site so I can help support the rebuilding effort for the school PR went to.
PR what is the purpose of that cane you are carrying with you? Are you trying to be a pinp, now you know I got info on you.
Pititkay
Laurel, MD - Saturday, March 06, 2004 at 12:26:21 (EST)
Bonjour à tous,
je remercie tous ceux qui m'ont appelé pour présenter leurs meilleurs voeux au group TRANKILL.je remercie également le staff d'ECHODHAITI.COM pour leur support en publiant sur le site la photo du group.
Cher lecteurs ,je prend plaisir à vous annoncer que le group TRANKILL fera son apparition le Samedi 10 Avril prochain au Napoli Italian Restaurant 8241 Georgia ave Silver Spring MD à 9HPM.Le Dimanche 11 Avril vous êtes convié à prendre part à la kermesse de Paques toujours avec le group TRANKILL à Los Arrieros 7926 Georgia Ave Silver Spring MD à 8HPM.
Faites circuler la nouvelle en envoyant des lettres électronics(e-mails)à vos amis,vous pouvez aussi me contacter sur mon portable au(240)463-7196
Accolades sincères a vous tous.
Jean Claude Vivens <jcvivens@mris.com>
washington, MD - Saturday, March 06, 2004 at 10:30:01 (EST)
Oh Boy...
You would do all that for me, Pitidkay. I must mean a whole lot to you. Go a ahead built a site show people where I used to live, which schools I attended, and the dirt roads I travelled on. But it's seems that you have more of an issue with the where you used to live, the schools you attended, and the dirt roads you travelled on, more than I do. I insist that you "expose" me, otherwise, shup your ass up, beeooocchhhh. Man UP, dude.
PR
- Saturday, March 06, 2004 at 04:46:12 (EST)
PR,
One thing for sure I do not need Friends that are " ti sousou", people who sell their souls for a meager dollar, people who lack integrity.
I will help you if you are stock on I-95 and that will be the end of it. Friend as a bigger meaning to me, not everyone can be mine.
Is very funny, you are talking like you were born in the bourgeoisie, I know where to use to live. Do not let me put you out and I have people who can back me up.
So shut your mouth before I start busting your today aristocratic point of view. And if you insist on challenging me I will create a web site to show where you used to live, shool you went to and some of the dirt road you used to walk in the mourning. It is my past and I am not ashame of it, I am working so others do not have to follow that path.
"Larivie aveti pa tie kokobe"
pititkay
Laurel, MD - Friday, March 05, 2004 at 21:08:33 (EST)
NCOG, welcome back!
Yopran'm
- Friday, March 05, 2004 at 14:24:01 (EST)
Wheeeeeee, its get'n HOT n herrrr!!
"I'm back Baby!." Yo, on de serious tip. Hav annie won red de journal page of dis site (haiti2004)?? Watts up wit dat picture??
Ncog
Washington, DC - Friday, March 05, 2004 at 13:32:34 (EST)
PR, if you are stranded on I-95, i will unconditionnally help you.It your dangerous ideas which I don't share.
Ayiti
Ayiti
- Friday, March 05, 2004 at 11:39:11 (EST)
I WOULD LIKE TO GO TO THE DEMONSTRATION ON SATURDAY MARCH 11TH. ANYONE INTERESTED IN GOING AS A GROUP OR ACOMPANY ME? EMAIL ME AT CDELUXXE1@AOL.COM
C <CDELUXXE1@A0L.COM>
LAUREL, MD - Friday, March 05, 2004 at 10:09:38 (EST)
Haitian Interest, Thanks for your ASSumption about where I was born and my demeanor. No one is exempt from the "dirt roads" regardless where you were born in Haiti and what your social-economic background. But all this is irrelevant to current discussion.
Please don't flatter yourself. This a forum for debates and discussions, not a place for making new friends. I am rich with friends from all walks of life and backgrounds. The fact of the matter most of you can deal with somebody else disagreeing with you. God fordid that somebody disaccords with you, he or she must be aristocratic. You have failed to look at the real issues here.
P.S.I am not a rebel without a cause, I just don't have an unconditional vested interest in anything or anyone. Perhaps that's something you should try.
Good luck to you!
PR
- Friday, March 05, 2004 at 08:25:33 (EST)
Haiti
You are the Mother of our struggle. You will never die. The reality of your suffering is the root of our devotion.
We will win. They will cut us down and we will rise again. We are many. Our tears are the dew in the medow of truth. They will drown there. We are the masters, our time is coming. Our leaders know us, their leaders know no one and fear all. Yes, Fidel is a muse. Tousaint leads us still. No paper tiger can tread where these fires burn for long.
Respect.
Stephen Paulmier
Philadelphia, PA - Tuesday, March 02, 2004 at 00:23:19 (EST)
Love For My People <Thanks Stephen>
- Friday, March 05, 2004 at 04:19:53 (EST)
Please keep in mind, the embarrasing and unfortuante events that have taken place in Haiti during our bicenntennial year is not about one man. It is about a power. It is about greed. And it will get us no where. For those who see the vision and want to work towards a better tomorrow Haiti, I would like to submit the following info with peace, reconcilliation and love for OUR PEOPLE.
READ, FORWARD, AND MOBILIZE!!!!
A CALL TO END THE VIOLENCE AND TERRORISM IN HAITI!!!
Our brothers and sister in Haiti are in danger! The U.S. has removed President Aristide by force, against his will, and now former Haitian military and FRAPH death squad commandos are terrorizing Haitian people. That is why we are calling
for an END TO THE VIOLENCE and terrorism in Haiti. In addition, the United States MUST END its covert operations to undermine the process of democracy and respect the Haitian people?s vote!
According to P.J. Patterson, Jamaica?s Prime Minister and Chairman of the Caribbean Community (Caricom), ?The removal of President Aristide in these circumstances sets a dangerous precedent for democratically elected governments anywhere and everywhere, as it promotes the removal of duly elected persons from office by the power of rebel forces.?
We Are Demanding Answers and a Congressional Investigation Surrounding The Coup Against President Aristide. We Are Also Calling For the Arrest And Prosecution of Murderous Thugs Who Continue To Terrorize Innocent Haitian People, Including
Our Children.
NOW is the time for friends and supporters of Haiti who support the rule of law, and the principles of real democracy to join hands with the Haitian people.
Enough is enough. SAY NO to the Bush Doctrine of unconstitutional regime change in Haiti and around the World.
Join us in front of the White House and let?s stand up for democracy NOW!!!
Event: Demonstration to Support Democracy in Haiti
When: Saturday, March 6, 2004 at 11:00 am
Where: Lafayette Park next to the White House
Nearest Metros - McPherson Sq. on Orange Line and
Farragut West on the Blue line
Travel one block south to H Street and enter park on
H street between 15th and 17th streets.
Co-Sponsors: Global Justice Inc., Haiti Action Center, TransAfrica Forum, Let Haiti Live, Coalition for a Just U.S. Policy, Black Voices for Peace, Pastors for Peace, EPICA(Ecumenical Program on Central America and the Caribbean), No War on Cuba Movement.
Visit www.10thdepartment.org for more information.
Love For My People
- Friday, March 05, 2004 at 03:53:36 (EST)
PititKay, I think what Pierre is trying to tell you is that he was born in Port-au-Prince. He didn't have to walk on those dusty roads. He's somewhat above the rest of the population. TYPICAL HAITIAN ATTITUDE! Some things never change!!!
Pierre, you are right. I would leave you on I-95. I don't think I want anyone with that kind of attitude around me. I guess some people don't like Aristide because the don't aprove of his image. TYPICAL HAITIAN ATTITUDE ALSO. Some of us argue just for the sake of arguing. I am above that; therefore I will not post anymore message on this board. It was nice charting with you all.
YOU ARE A REBEL WITHOUT CAUSE!
Haitian Interest
- Friday, March 05, 2004 at 02:19:30 (EST)
Laughing my ass off@ Pitiddeyo. Are you alright,man? Do you need a friend? I'll be your friend, anything for you.
PR
- Thursday, March 04, 2004 at 21:47:23 (EST)
PR, I know you are an opportunist, very soon you will change side.
"Je serais parvenu sur ce mont escape si seulement comme toi je savais rampe"
Do you remember those dusty roads that you used to walk to get to school. Have the vision that other haitian kids do not have to take that path.
I never forget those days that is why i am working for a better Haiti. I am not working to maintain a man in power but to give respect to the voice of my people.
That's all I got for you
PititKay
Laurel, MD - Thursday, March 04, 2004 at 21:31:16 (EST)
Le Plus Haut, I beg for your forgiveness. We've known each other for well over 10 years, I wouldn't jeopardize my friendship with you over an ex-dictator. I will call Jean Claude and get in your number.
PR
- Thursday, March 04, 2004 at 20:32:20 (EST)
Pititkay, it was a yes or no question. You're making the Lavalas party look bad right now. You need some training.
PR
Tabarre, Haiti - Thursday, March 04, 2004 at 20:23:42 (EST)
Also, I do not think I need to nurture my ego.
One think for sure among us there are some oportunistic elements that need to shut their mouths. They have completely forgotten where they came from.
Yesterday their parents could not afford buying them breakfast before they went to school, but today by divine luck they find themselves in the USA, they simply forgot their past.
My friend you should humble yourself, remember your past and do not step over the heads of the 7.5 million haitians who are living with a maximum of a dollar a day. You used to be there at some point.
Do you understand me now, Hope you turn around and embrace your past
PititKay
Laurel, MD - Thursday, March 04, 2004 at 19:29:59 (EST)
Also, I do not think I need to nurture my ego.
One think for sure among us there are some oportunistic elements that need to shut their mouths. They have completely forgotten where they came from.
Yesterday their parents could not afford buying them breakfast before they went to school, but today by divine luck they find themselves in the USA, they simply forgot their past.
My friend you should humble yourself, remember your past and do not step over the heads of the 7.5 million haitians who are living with a maximum of a dollar a day. You used to be there at some point.
Do you understand me now, Hope you turn around and embrace your past
PititKay
Laurel, MD - Thursday, March 04, 2004 at 19:29:15 (EST)
Sure I will help you because I see you as a Human being but I do not know if you think like one
PititKay
Laurel, MD - Thursday, March 04, 2004 at 19:14:33 (EST)
Here we have Lavalas sympathizers wishing violence on Haiti just to nurture their bruised egos.
Before I respond to your comments and questions, I need to know something. Would you guys help me if I was stranded on I-95 right now? Ayiti, Hatian interest, and others, i don't feel the love and unity anymore.
Pierre Richard
Columbia, MD - Thursday, March 04, 2004 at 18:47:14 (EST)
To the real Haitians,
Those who continue to support the fight for Honesty and dignity, Do not get discouraged by the recent events.
The Battle continues,
After all 1804 did not happen overnight.
Pretty soon the enemies of the Haitian people will be fighting each other: Merican vs Guy Phillipe VS Chambelain VS 184/184 (1,1,1,you can finish the math)
Look at them now they look confused they can even put a government in place.
Like Che used to say:
Hasta la victoria siempre
Let's organize ourselves evenmore and weed out the black restavek among us, No DOLLARS no M-16 will stop us.
Nou se pitit Boukman, Toussaint, Dessalines, Petion Mariejeanne, Cathrine Flon Charlemagne Peralte, Nou pa jam sispan goumam pou libete ak dignite
PititKay
Laurel, MD - Thursday, March 04, 2004 at 18:17:09 (EST)
Here is a link to that article; http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/nationworld/bal-md.haitians04mar04,0,2337765.story?coll=bal-nationworld-headlines
Marc-Andre Heritier
- Thursday, March 04, 2004 at 14:49:48 (EST)
There is an article published today by The Baltimore Sun about NOAH an Haitian organization based in Silver Spring apparently. The chairman of that organization says essentially; what happened happened we should just move on regarding the removal of Aristide from power.
Marc-Andre Heritier
- Thursday, March 04, 2004 at 14:49:06 (EST)
A lot of people in this country think that the last election was a scam and that Bush is corrupt...would it be right for a coup d'etate to happen here? So why then is it acceptable for our corrupt leader to experience this solution? Ayicien yo fe'm wront...The US played a big role in everything that happened (behind the scenes)...and the Haitians are just left bickering among themselves looking stupid like usual...for some reason it seems education does not negate ignorant behavior in Haitian culture.
question
- Thursday, March 04, 2004 at 14:43:55 (EST)
Pierre,
I now realize that I cannot help you.Therefore"each one, help one" does nopt apply to you. I failed to see how you want a better Haiti. All you care about is getting rid of Aristide. I will not return the favor to you. i could have replied in kind. I could have said that your friends Guy phillipe and Chamblain got rid of your no 1 ennemi.
I am not an Aristide supporter . nor a Lavalas member. Unlike you, I believe in principles. No matter how innefective an elected leader is, no one has the right to overthrow him through illegal means.
Ayiti
- Thursday, March 04, 2004 at 14:01:07 (EST)
PR, my brother, as my longtime friend, you are so passionate about this dillema going on in haiti you came close to insult me, and I understand. Let's try to be real with ourselves; tell me one haitian person you come across and you know for sure if he/she was the president of haiti and a cartel in Columbia is trafficking drug through haiti to the us, who wouldn't try to get their cut. As a neutral person when it comes to politics I had to ask you this question, because you said that the us had accused Aristide of helping drug traffickers. Now that Aristide is gone let's forget about politics for a minute LOL. On a serious note, I really need to talk to you, it's urgent. I don't know how to get in touch with you besides echo d'haiti. If you could give Agimal a call, he could give you my number, or, I can call him to see if he has your number. PR, it's really urgent.
Le Plus Haut
White Oak, Md - Thursday, March 04, 2004 at 12:28:37 (EST)
Having been an observer on this site it is clear there posters on this site who have used demagoguery, rumors, innuendoes along with assumptions to solidify their arguments. In the absence of well articulated arguments to the contrary they appear to hold the bully pulpit and start smell their own aroma. A high level of emotions have been invested in Jean-Bertrand Aristide personally, while it remains true as the head of the Haitian government he is ultimately responsible for what has happened in Haiti in the past 10 years he should be clear that democracy is a flawed system. Politicians all over the world exploit the weakness of the democratic system to their advantage daily. The facts that we must deal with is 1-Mr. Aristide was democratically elected in a process as flawed the as any. If you don't agree I would be interested hearing about an election in which the losing side did not accuse the other of improprieties.
2- Terrorists/convicted criminals and accused drug dealers who come from other countries to destabilize the government of a sovereign nation should not be negotiated with. Guy Phillipe on Wednesday that he would go to other cities and inform fellow thugs of an agreement he had made to lay down arms. He made the declaration after a meeting at the residence of the US Ambassador James Foley earlier in the day. Yet Washington is calling him and his comrade’s unsavory characters. Okay!
3- An essential part of the democratic process is the sharing of power. We should all be reminded the so-called opposition party in Haiti refused that option when presented with such a proposal during the crisis.
4- The US, The UN, The OAS, The IMF, the World Bank of all these organizations under the leadership of the Bush administration suspended aid to Haiti. I should remind you that Haiti is a country where 80% of the government's budget is from foreign aid. The Aid suspension posture ultimately strangled the economy and turned the Haitian people against their government.
5- It’s interesting the day that Aristide left Haiti before the UN had approved a mandate for an international security force to Haiti, both the U.S. Canada had Military planes in Haiti that night. A move they had refused to make during the crisis prior to Aristide’s departure.
I could go on and on, not withstanding the Aristide's government's responsibilities it is unquestionable that those who hold Aristide personally and solely responsible for the situation in Haiti are either unwilling or incapable of a fair assessment of the basic concept of government. The action of the U.S. Government was illegal. Marines in Haiti from the U.S. or any other country will not solve the contributing factors that brought us to this. The ruling in economic power in Haiti will never agree to a power sharing government unless it allows them the continuance of the status quo. Aristide was a democratically elected president and should have served his term. Any alternative is unacceptable and illegal.
Marc-Andre Heritier <MAH@yahoo.com>
Washington, DC - Thursday, March 04, 2004 at 10:21:20 (EST)
Pierre, I've been reading your comments on this board for a while. Why do you hate Aristide so much? I don't think you really care about the well being of the Haitian people. You are applauding what Guy Philippe did in Haiti; that's like a making a deal with the devil. What happened in Haiti is a threat to democratically elected officials all over the world. This is something we should take very serious. I don't think Aristide was perfect. I am also positive that there was a better way to resolve this issue. Colin Powell said Aristide was not forced out of office. I should also remind you that Colin Powell was the same man who testified at UN about Iraq's WMD. The US gov't do have a credibility problem. The point is you should not believe everything you read on the newspaper. Whether we liked Aristide or not, he was our president and Washington has not right to remove him from office.
Haitian Interest
- Thursday, March 04, 2004 at 01:23:05 (EST)
Boy look at what happened to Guy Phillipe in Haiti. The haitian was used and then told to lay down his weapon and go home. What an insult?. If I were Guy Phillipe, I put a bullet in my head. We haitians never learned whether in Haiti or in the diaspora. Yesterday in an interview with Alex Saint Surin in Miami, K-Plim (Evans Paul) claimed that the opposition has agreed on a role for Guy Phillipe in the new government and today look at what has happened. When will they learn? Salop sa yo pap jan'n sispan apran.
Ayisyen
- Wednesday, March 03, 2004 at 23:04:12 (EST)
Againts my better judgement I went out with a haitian {EDITED BY WEBMASTER} of a male species. If I could only turn back time, I would turn that piece of {EDITED BY WEBMASTER} away the moment he opened his big fat mouth to talk to me. What a stupid fool I was to have anything to do with him. We hadn't gone any farther than kissing in the 'relationship' the night I let that literal bastard sleep over. Big mistake... I woke up and to my horror that foul excuse for a human being was inside of me!!@!@5e'l[[INSIDE OF ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!i I COULDN'T BELEIVE IT!!I don't think I've ever felt so filthy and violated in all my life. And HIS FATHER IS A PREACHER!!!HA. A preacher's son raped me! I became pregnant because of that night, which I did not consent to. I DID NOT CONSENT!!! I WAS ASLEEP AND HE TOOK ADVANTAGE OF THE SITUATION. HE DECIDED THAT THAT WAS WHAT I WANTED, BUT YET I WAS NOT CONSCIOUS!!!! This was a couple of years ago, and up to this day he still feels like he has done nothing wrong! He said that I looked to inviting as I slept, and that as a 'man' what else could he have done. I know that no real man would rape a woman, he still dosen't realize the animal that he is. I BECAME PREGNANT DUE TO AN ACT THAT I DID NOT CONSENT TO!!!!!
I hope that that bastard and all like him pay for their actions. I hope they suffer and feel the kind of torment a person goes through when they are violated like that.
ren <bren2be@yahoo.com>
- Wednesday, March 03, 2004 at 16:57:42 (EST)
Sorry
from CNN.com
U.S. State Department spokesman Richard Boucher said Washington did not recognize Philippe's claim to authority and called on the rebels to lay down their arms.
"There is an orderly and constitutional political process under way in Haiti," Boucher said.
"That process needs to be respected by all Haitians, but we're glad to see the violence in decreasing. But the rebels have no role to play in this process and they need to lay down their arms and go home."
Boucher said there was a distinction between the democratic opposition groups seeking a role in a new Haitian government and "groups that perpetrated violence so widely and broadly against the Haitian people in recent weeks."
"We all know that these various individuals involved in this armed violence, many of them have a very unsavory history, to say the least," Boucher said. "We do not believe that those people are welcome in the political process."
But Philippe said he would not take orders from other countries.
map swiv
- Wednesday, March 03, 2004 at 16:21:34 (EST)
By the way...
From CNN.com:
>
Ladies and Gentleman, since Haitian politics is a sport, coming up next:
The Battle of Group 184 vs. Guy Phillipe vs. America's State Department
please stay tuned after these messages.
map swiv
- Wednesday, March 03, 2004 at 16:20:47 (EST)
Mapswiv,
Thank you for concern and your point is well taken. But I do believe that the people on this board understand that our debates are for entertainment purposes only. I express my opinions as a concern Haitian, not offend any anyone. We have a real situation on our hands, while we may differ in our views on how to solve it, but I think we all want to see Haiti prosper. And it is on that ground that we engage in passionate discussions. If I offend anyone personally, please forgive me, that is not what I stand for. But I stand behind my beliefs.
P.S. I am not a Duvalierist by any means. I think most families suffered to some level under the Duvalier regime, mine included.
PR
Columbia, MD - Wednesday, March 03, 2004 at 15:36:16 (EST)
PR,
Listen, or read this carefully. You are the only one here using your real name. Your views and your statements are strong.
Some people on this board have lost families to the Duvalier (I and II) regimes, the coup of 1991 and the years that follow, and some will lose people that they care for in the near future. So, please, (this is an advice) be careful.
I do admire you for at least using your real name to your statements, but understand my friend that no one else on this board is.
map swiv
- Wednesday, March 03, 2004 at 15:08:46 (EST)
Apanou, six months from now, they all will be getting AIDS and will receive treatment at Dr. Paul Farmer's Clinic.
Seli
- Wednesday, March 03, 2004 at 14:43:54 (EST)
Ayiti, are you crying bricks? No more remedies for Haiti? No more "each one, help one. Nuff said". Do you need a moment to get yourself together?
"I see he forgot to mention Chamblain. Intentional?"
Yes!
Ayiti, you can start digging a rathole similar to Saddam's because your man is about to be kicked out of Central Africa for causing trouble already.
Lavalas k k.
PR
columbia, md - Wednesday, March 03, 2004 at 14:23:13 (EST)
Today in the Associated Press, I read "The rebels were still celbrating their victory over Aristide, who they accused of human rights violations and corruption. Accompanied by prostitutes, about 50 rebels drank heavily in a luxury hotel late on Tuesday, slugging back beer as pistols and rifles lay casually on tables or at their sides. Philippe's table ordered three bottle of $90-a-bottle champagne, which hotel sources said they failed to pay for."
This is what some of us were fighting for. On recolte ce qu'on a seme. Ala traka papa. Ala kote ou gen pou we se an Haiti avek Ayisyen.
Apanou
- Wednesday, March 03, 2004 at 14:09:54 (EST)
I guess Columbia ill continue writing lies. Pure nonsense. Aristide is no longer in power. Yet, the opposition man is still blaming him while ignoring the thugs that overthrew an elected president.The thugs who continue killing innocent people now.It is rather he who is intellectually challenged.
It is a shame that so many of us embrace the law of the jungle. Guy Phillipe is your man,the opposition man. I see he forgot to mention Chamblain. Intentional? I would not be surprised if he blamed Aristide for that. Guns only provide for a temporary situation. Getting rid of Aristide in this illegal way only satisfies the Columbia man and company and not Haiti.
Ayiti
- Wednesday, March 03, 2004 at 14:02:05 (EST)
Mapswiv,
What I have been advocating is nothing more than what Victor Hugo said in 1852: " An invasion of armies can resisted,not an idea whose time has come." Aristide has done too much to Haitians but has done to little for them. There is no way that Guy and Metayer could have succeeded to cause so much commotion in Haiti if the people did not when them to. They would have been eaten them alive, literally. Guy Phillipe and Buteur Metayer are leftovers of the Lavalas regime and will soon expire. You have Lavalas sympathizers wishing for violence to satisfy their disappointing egos. The Lavalas regime subjected us to the likes of Guy Phillipe, Amiot and Buteur Metayer, Ronald Cadave. It's a movement that has advocated violence since the begining and has finally buckled under it's own philosophy. No where in the Lavalas equation did democracy hold a spot. Democracy never existed in Haiti. It's a phantom reality that Aristide used to bamboozle the intellectually challenged. The idea for aristide to leave was in the making for sometimes now, but has finally rippen.
PR
columbia, md - Wednesday, March 03, 2004 at 13:38:51 (EST)
Mwen pense makout te fini wi. A pa te gin yon denie grin, sak fe nou keyi'l.
Se pou nou pale jen nou vle sou bod la.....pou e kont Aristide,....e pi dat set.
Semwen
Glendale, MD - Wednesday, March 03, 2004 at 13:02:06 (EST)
guy, the chill that I feel down my spine is because I believe the statement is too true.
PR, you got what you've been advocating, but think of all the people who may have had nothing to do with Aristide, but in the name of Democracy they were trying to move the country to a better place. How many of them will be killed? How many are begging for their lives right now? How many children will lose their father? mother? brother? uncle?
Here we go again...
map swiv
- Wednesday, March 03, 2004 at 12:36:49 (EST)
Apa nou kwe ke nou kouri pou la pli e pi nou tombe nan lanme. Some of us thought that they were running for rain and they found themselves falling into the sea. What a pity?
When will we learn?
Bwapiwo
- Wednesday, March 03, 2004 at 12:00:20 (EST)
Lol@Guy
No thanks!
I don't associate with trash, that's a Lavalas legacy. Tout moun konnin ke le lavalas desan'n ce destriksyon fatra li kite deye'l.
I'll tell you what though, your selection choice on Echodhaiti.com is plentiful.
Ta le wap di ke se kidnape yo kidnape tou, malprop.
PRT
columbia, md - Wednesday, March 03, 2004 at 11:59:58 (EST)
I have declared myself in charge of "THE ARMY." I'm good looking, strong, and just toppled off a government in less than 30 days, and before my 36th birthday.
I AM IN CHARGE!!!
That is the Haitian way, and the rule of military supremacy. We, "the rebels" not to be confused with Group 184, hold all the cards. To quote my lieutenant in the US, P-R T., "RIP Lavalas..." meaning, we will end a political party because we disagreed with the leader of the party.
We will systematically hunt down and kill (quietly and without regard to man, woman or child) anyone that was associated with that party. Anyone that uttered words on behalf of the previous government. Anyone who dares say anything positive about Aristide's govenment, or even the past ten years, will be executed.
So, I have decided, because that is the Haitian way...
Merci beaucoup
thank you
Guy PHillip, CIA/FRAPH/REBEL
guy phillip
- Wednesday, March 03, 2004 at 11:24:09 (EST)
What is going on in Haiti? Who is in charge 72 hours after Aristide was forced to leave? What happened to the opposition? Will Haiti become a country ruled by armed gangs? What is going on? Please can someone tell me?
Ayisyen
- Wednesday, March 03, 2004 at 09:53:37 (EST)
We should realize by now that the voices of peaceniks are always there in the background but the voices for changes "at any price even violence" that are usually the most vocals and the loudest. Voice of unity and non-violence has nothing to do with who is in control of Haiti now. Elections can be peacefull coup d'etats with less violence. Unfortunately, in Haiti we always want to change things violently I might add, then we wish we had them back. We kicked Duvalier out then many of us wish he was back, we kicked Manigat out then we wish he was back, then we kicked Aristide out the 1st time then we wanted him back and got him, then we re-elected him again just to kick him out. I just hope that we don't wish he was back a few years from now. I would have love Haiti to go through the process of an election at the end of Aristide term. Everytime we violently overthrew a government, we destroyed many innocent people, properties and many more. We start over two steps back and we never got back to where we were. Maybe that is naive of me. There must be a better way.
Mobutoo
Stafford, VA - Wednesday, March 03, 2004 at 08:44:35 (EST)
Alex, there are many lessons to be learned. One of them is that no one is above the law. The only good thing that I think came out of the Lavalas era, is, the "Convergence". Future leaders will no longer hold the conventional ticket to make and break at will. And here we are at the crossroads once more. We have no choice but change for the better, the world is too small and getting small. We are no longer a remote island where foul things happen secretly and unquestionably. I feel good about our future, even if Aritide was to come back as president.
Henestly, Haitians are as much to blame for Aristide's demise. We armed him, we aggrandized him to a level that he couldnt effectively control himself. He became a megalomaniac, thus caused him his presidency. He was no longer Titid!
The world is watching our every move. It's do or die!
PR
Columbia, MD - Wednesday, March 03, 2004 at 08:02:56 (EST)
"Aristide was not a democrat but how can we accept that another country tells us WHO, WHEN and WHY."
WHO...The US
WHEN... pay as price EVERYTIME
WHY...THEY are FED UP with OUR mess
Alex, because we show up on their shores uninvitedly,invade their highways uninvitedly. When they send us back, we cry foul and accuse them of being racist. The US pays a price everytime things are not going right in Haiti. Aristide called for help. He even threaten that Haitians would flee Haiti by boats to the US. Haitians want autonomy only to a certain extent, unfortunately, it does not work that way. Get it straight or else.
Now Guy Phillipe wants to be the head of the military! Tout sa Aristide kale mete vacabon sa you sou moun, and he paid for it.
We have a false sense of pride, pherhaps that is what keeping us back. When I say we, my self is included.
PR
columbia, MD - Wednesday, March 03, 2004 at 07:42:01 (EST)
Orlando, you have to understand that Aristide was elected president. He made a lot of mistakes, too many in my opinion. I was there in 1990 - 1994. I was a student then, fighting to bring him back to power. The first term was enough. We knew then who he really was after his first five years.
But the US forcing him to leave - I disagree. That was our job to let him know that he should stop the violence in Haiti, stop financing gangs, make sure the justice system works right. Not just against who oppose him.
Aristide was not a democrat but how can we accept that another country tells us WHO, WHEN and WHY.
But you got a good point, violence will not solve any problems. Burning down banks, gas stations, office buildings it’s just growing the number of unemployed people in the country. We misunderstood: “ POUVOIR POPULAIRE (Popular Power)”.
I learn my lessons. I hope you all did. About you PR?
ALEXANON
silver spring, MD - Tuesday, March 02, 2004 at 22:41:32 (EST)
Le plus Haut, I am glad to see you coming back to your senses. As your brother and long time friend, I must keep you in line in trying times, and I know that you would do the same for me.
I know this is an emotional time for many of us. And during such time people say things that aren't very practical or substantial. For example, Aristide is saying that he was "kidnapped," they made and offer he couldn't refuse: resign or face drug charges. The Bush Administration has officially accused Aristide's government of haboring drug traficking.
I am noticing all the talks about unity, remedies for Haiti, are quite scarce nowadays. I guess they ideas for unity were conditional.
RIP Lavalas...
By the way, Le plus Haut, when does soccer start?
Pierre R Torchenot
Columbia, md - Tuesday, March 02, 2004 at 22:16:53 (EST)
It was a coup!Kidnapped or not! Handcuffed or NOT!The thugs( Guy Philippe, Chambelain and company), the opposition, and the U.S planned and succesfully carried this coup .
Ayiti
- Tuesday, March 02, 2004 at 20:56:09 (EST)
What a relief? I was about time. If the former president was really kidnapped by the US I think they were doing us a favor. Could you imagine how many people would have been dead by now if the opposition had taken over in Port-au Prince that Sunday? It would have definitely been worse than it is right now. Now I hope that we will finally come to our senses and put our head together to think about what we can do to help our country. I believe in my heart that we still have good Haitian people who also have the skills necessary to take over the presidency in the country. I want to thank everyone who put his or her life on the line since I did not have the courage to do it myself. I also want to thank those who have been very supportive morally and emotionally. The “Chime” claim to have anything to loose I do not think so. We all have everything to loose. When they burn down everything the inflation will go up in a heartbeat. The wealthy ones can afford paying insurance to protect their assets. Their policies will increase and eventually we will end up paying the price.
Orlando
- Tuesday, March 02, 2004 at 19:32:30 (EST)
PR, I'm sorry if that's how you feel, because, like I said I
could careless about Aristide, it is the mass poor
population that I care about. Yes I agree with you, I'm a
bit emotional, but, for the poor people of haiti not for
Aristide. I understand clearly XX that privatization works,
but, not in third world country like haiti. It will be total
exploitation. PR, XX, and I, all three of us know that
none of the imperialist countries are in the best interest
of haiti, therefore, do we really need it. I would agree for
partial privatization because it's been shown that all the
past haitian government can't do an accurate and
effective job. If we take a look at africa and some
countries in the caribbean and elswhere, it's not in their
best interest, it's just big corporations are getting bigger
and richer.
Le Plus Haut
White Oak, - Tuesday, March 02, 2004 at 18:33:32 (EST)
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- Tuesday, March 02, 2004 at 05:44:32 (EST)
Haiti
You are the Mother of our struggle. You will never die. The reality of
your suffering is the root of our devotion. We will win. They will cut us
down and we will rise again. We are many. Our tears are the dew in the
medow of truth. They will drown there. We are the masters, our time is
coming. Our leaders know us, their leaders know no one and fear all.
Yes, Fidel is a muse. Tousaint leads us still. No paper tiger can tread
where these fires burn for long. Respect.
Stephen Paulmier <stephen.paulmier@verizon.net>
Philadelphia, PA - Tuesday, March 02, 2004 at 00:23:19 (EST)
PANORAMA D'UN PEUPLE
Une éternelle crise sur ma terre a main mise.
Nos soeurs putains en putréfaction
Héros disparus d'une Nation
Blancs de toutes les couleurs
A leur chevet, nos malheurs.
Faut pas les acculer, faut surtout nous accusés.
Nous, pentins de bois,
Brasseros...Boat people...Fuyards...Trouillards
Nous, nègres fiers
D'avoir tué notre mère.
Nous, d'avant nous... Nous d'après nous.
N'a pas suffit, une occupation
Nous demandons prolongation
Femmes indignes, dont dollar est vigne
Bandez-vous seins et fesses
Mais après il faudra faire le TEST.
César aux testicules de colonsColombes relâchées
Nous nageons dans la malpropreté.
J'ai écrit ce texte lors de l'invasion militaire américaine en 1994. Dix ans de cela, à ce qu'il parait rien n'a changé.
L'histoire ne fait que de se répéter.
ALEXANON
silver spring, MD````````````````` - Monday, March 01, 2004 at 22:05:23 (EST)
Le plus haut,
You and I will agree that after so many years, the haitian state has not done a good job in managing the country resources. Maybe, you will be surprised to learn that, state always does poorer in management than the private sector. Give me an example of a country where government run business operate at their best. Privatization is the key to efficiency. We need to bring privatization at all level in the country business. Also, I will outline a mistake you just made to say that Aristide did not follow orders. Aristide has done not much than becoming a partner of the big business people in Haiti. He owned private telecommunication companies, private gas companies and many more things. As fas as an economic embargo you want to talk about, why did not Aristide use some of the money that he has to push the country economically. Do you know now that Aristide is worth more than 1 billion dollars. He could have easily used half of that and stop crying for five hundred millions that the international community refused to give him. You do not think that five hundred millions would be enough for him to live well. Aristide was just another greedy megalomaniac robber. He stole Haiti money and Haitian trust. He should have used the example of Castro to make ends meet with the country own resources. I guess he could not do that because the resources were not enough for him to send to international private banks and pay chimeres.
xxx
- Monday, March 01, 2004 at 21:18:46 (EST)
Le plus haut,
You and I will agree that after so many years, the haitian state has not done a good job in managing the country resources. Maybe, you will be surprised to learn that, state always does poorer in management than the private sector. Give me an example of a country where government run business operate at their best. Privatization is the key to efficiency. We need to bring privatization at all level in the country business. Also, I will outline a mistake you just made to say that Aristide did not follow orders. Aristide has done not much than becoming a partner of the big business people in Haiti. He owned private telecommunication companies, private gas companies and many more things. As fas as an economic embargo you want to talk about, why did not Aristide use some of the money that he has to push the country economically. Do you know now that Aristide is worth more than 1 billion dollars. He could have easily used half of that and stop crying for five hundred millions that the international community refused to give him. You do not think that five hundred millions would be enough for him to live well. Aristide was just another greedy megalomaniac robber. He stole Haiti money and Haitian trust. He used the example of Castro to make ends meet with the country own resources. I guess he could not do that because the resources were not enough for him to send to international private banks and pay chimeres.
xxx
- Monday, March 01, 2004 at 21:16:53 (EST)
Le plus Haut, I over estimated you! Your dissertation is nothing short of an emotional rant.
Pierre R Torchenot
Columbia , MD - Monday, March 01, 2004 at 20:00:03 (EST)
The plot has taken place in the US and continued to
the Dominican Republic and finished in the poor little
Haiti. I do not support any politician because they're all
the same,but with what just took place in haiti this past
sunday, it 's just a shame for democracy. Now, I'm sure
the owners of factories are happy because they can
celebrate cheap labor again to exploite the courage,
thesweat, and the energy of the poor haitians who wake
up everyday before sunrise and get home after sunset
for 3dollars a day to fill the owners pockets with
millions. Those same owners are happy because they
won't have to pay the maximum taxes they suppose to
pay. The US administration is happy because haiti is
going to turn into a private sector, the haitian
government won't have control on anything whatsoever.
My point is that they wanted ARISTIDE to follow orders
and he did not so they make sure they make him pay
for it. Again, I'm not an Aristide supporter because I
don't trust any politician. Also, they never gave him a
chane to fully govern the country, because without the
money that the us has frozen for so long what did one
expect to happen. The us knew at one point the people
of haiti will not have a choice but to turn against Aristide
with the way misery had fallen on the haitians back
home. They did it.
Le Plus Haut
White Oak, - Monday, March 01, 2004 at 18:39:48 (EST)
Ok....it will be nice to see you. Hope you can make it. if not....I'll understand ;)
smoochees
- Monday, March 01, 2004 at 14:36:39 (EST)
Smoochees, glad everything is ok with you. I don't know if I'll be going ... I am thinking about it.
Yopran'm
- Monday, March 01, 2004 at 14:27:50 (EST)
Yopran'm......je suis la. I didn't go to haiti because of all the chaos and THANK GOD. I have a few friends who are stuck down there now. Mwen te pale yo. I would have been one of them. I'm doing OK....how are you? Eske nap we nan CARIMI a?
PR...wap minnin? Neg ti ko gwo diol la ale (laugh)....LOL
smoochees
- Monday, March 01, 2004 at 13:23:56 (EST)
Mina, Aristid gin fouli tousin louveti, li pap sis. Le baron de Tabarre is history now, so what's next? I guess ceremonie lwa yo pat edel. poor thing!
Loune
- Monday, March 01, 2004 at 12:56:38 (EST)
Lalane,
Did Waters say that Aristide left after they threat him with drug charges? I did not think so.
xxx
- Monday, March 01, 2004 at 12:29:41 (EST)
Too bad, Maxine Waters te ka bay aristide peruque li ya pou protection...
They need to find another blood sucker to promote...Ti diab la ale, li ale net, sak pa kontan anbake...
Moi!
- Monday, March 01, 2004 at 12:21:41 (EST)
I thought these were the words of Toussaint Louverture.
"Je déclare qu'en me renversant, on a abattu le tronc de l'arbre de la Paix, mais il repoussera, car ses racines sont +louverturiennes+"
Mirna
- Monday, March 01, 2004 at 12:17:16 (EST)
EXCLUSIVE BREAKING NEWS:
PRESIDENT ARISTIDE SAYS 'I WAS KIDNAPPED'
'TELL THE WORLD IT IS A COUP'
Multiple sources that just spoke with Haitian President Jean-Bertrand Aristide told Democracy Now! that Aristide says he was "kidnapped" and taken by force to the Central African Republic. Congressmember Maxine Waters said she received a call from Aristide at 9am EST. "He's surrounded by military. It's like he is in jail, he said. He says he was kidnapped," said Waters. She said he had been threatened by what he called US diplomats. According to Waters, the diplomats reportedly told the Haitian president that if he did not leave Haiti, paramilitary leader Guy Philippe would storm the palace and Aristide would be killed. According to Waters, Aristide was told by the US that they were withdrawing Aristide's US security.
TransAfrica founder and close Aristide family friend Randall Robinson also received a call from the Haitian president early this morning and confirmed Waters account. Robinson said that Aristide "emphatically" denied that he had resigned. "He did not resign," he said. "He was abducted by the United States in the commission of a coup." Robinson says he spoke to Aristide on a cell phone that was smuggled to the Haitian president.
Audio and Transcripts will be posted shortly.
Developing...
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- Monday, March 01, 2004 at 11:56:28 (EST)
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Haitian Interest, anytime my friend. You can count your brother PR.
Supermix, what's up buddy?
PR
Columbia, MD - Sunday, February 29, 2004 at 07:27:31 (EST)
To late my frned!
PORT-AU-PRINCE, Haiti - President Jean-Bertrand Aristide left Haiti on Sunday, bowing to pressure from a rebellion at home and governments abroad, his Cabinet minister and close adviser Leslie Voltaire told The Associated Press.
AP Photo
At least three other sources confirmed the information, including diplomats and a security aide.
An Associated Press reporter saw an unmarked white jet take off from Port-au-Prince's airport Sunday morning, and Voltaire said Aristide was on board along with his palace security chief Frantz Gabriel.
Shortly afterward, a convoy of cars pulled up to the tarmac alongside a second jet, but it was not clear who was on the plane.
Voltaire said Aristide, Haiti's first democratically elected president in 200 years of independence, was flying to the Dominican Republic and would seek asylum in Morocco, Taiwan or Panama.
Aristide left as fighters in a popular rebellion that erupted on Feb. 5 came within 25 miles of Port-au-Prince, the capital, and threatened to attack unless he resigned.
France, Haiti's former colonizer, and the United States, which sent 20,000 troops to restore Aristide after a coup in 1994, had suggested he step down for the good of his Caribbean nation of 8 million people.
It was not clear where Aristide's wife, Mildred Trouillot Aristide, was. The couple had sent their two daughters to Trouillot's mother in New York last week.
Canadian military police were at the airport, but they refused to say who was on the planes
Pierre r Torchenot
Columbia , md - Sunday, February 29, 2004 at 07:16:26 (EST)
Thanks for the info Pierre. I will call Mr Cummimgs to thank him for supporting the elected leader of Haiti. I can't understand why anyone would support a bunch of outlaws. This is a new low for Haitians. Let's see how much lower we will go.
Haitian Interest
- Sunday, February 29, 2004 at 05:47:53 (EST)
I guess the country i snot in a crisis and he's secure about the future
Mezanmi
- Friday, February 27, 2004 at 16:19:51 (EST)
Mezanmi,
Yesterday was Mildwett B-day.
aristide
- Friday, February 27, 2004 at 12:54:12 (EST)
I spok eto my boyfriend last night who couldn't get back from Haiti, and he told me that last nite Aristide was having a birthday party for his wife ......... I wonder if he was pulling my leg, can anyone confirmed that. If it's true it would be too funny.
Mezanmi
college park, MD - Friday, February 27, 2004 at 10:57:07 (EST)
Mobutoo,
I see that you really like it. I really believe that we, Haitians, can play a positive role in the future of Haiti. Too much wasted energy on who is right and who is wrong.My resolution for 2004 is to do more than just writing opinions. I will help one student in Haiti to go to school. I will participate in progrms that focus on development and not charity.And, I will do my best to persuade at least 10 other haitians living in the diaspora to do the same.
Each one, Help one!
Ayiti.
Ayiti
- Thursday, February 26, 2004 at 17:16:49 (EST)
As the Haitian Struggle intensifies, so is the lobbyism on behalf of Aristide on Capitol Hill. Congressman Elijah Cummings along with some 17 members of the Black Caucus are out to interfere with the popular movement of the Haitian People in the name of democracy. If you believe that Aristide and his Lavalas regime need to go, please call your congress representative and express your opinions. I called his Mr Cumming office and spoke with an assistant, I asked her to relay this message: " Mr Cummimgs, you do not understand the struggle of the Haitian Folks. If you want to help bring true democracy in Haiti, you ought to stop lobbying on behalf of a who disgrace every principle of democracy. We will not forget how you interfaced in our matter when 'WE' the people need to interface in your matter."
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Glenwood Library, 2350 Route 97
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Hours: 4:00PM - 6:00PM or by appointment
Second Monday of the Month:
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Pierre R Torchenot
Columbia , MD - Thursday, February 26, 2004 at 11:40:37 (EST)
Smoochees, Are you ok? Did you go to Haiti as planned? Gurl, holla back, is everything tight? We miss you on the board.
Yopran'm
- Thursday, February 26, 2004 at 11:10:14 (EST)
Greetings to each and everyone. Allow me the opportunity to once again express my sentiments of gratitude for your support of echodhaiti.com. I am currently working on a project to be aired tonight (2/26/04)@ 5PM on the current situation in Haiti. I am looking for anyone currently in the Washington DC area who has been directly impacted by the current events. You need to be articulate and willing to go on the air (TV) with your comments. Please contact me directly @ djjnmichel@aol.com. Thank you for your support.
djjnmichel
- Thursday, February 26, 2004 at 10:31:44 (EST)
Ayiti, I like your last. With all due respect I will post it again for people to read.
"It is true that France, U.S.A, Germany , local leaders have contributed to our current status as the most impoverished nation of the Western Hemisphere. However, the responsibility to have a sovereign country, that is respected by all, rests squarely on our shoulders. ON the shoulder of every concerned Haitian.IT is a luxury to live abroad and periodically share opinions about who is right and who is wrong. Iam right, Haiti is still sufering. or, I am wrong, Haiti is still suffering.We all can make a difference if we really care about Haiti.Whether we do our part or not, it is still our responsibility to contribute to a better and sovereign Haiti. Our "degrees and pedigrees" are not the result of our intelligence. We were always smart. It is the culmination of a sea of blood and unfulfilled dreams(our ancestors) which provide for our present well-being. All of us don't have to be involved in politics.In Haiti, there exist organizations(Haitian organizations) that make small loans to peasants or entrepeneurs .These loans help a mother send her children to school. You can contribute to these funds.There are a lot of ways one can help!No one is a savior!it is not anyone's job to save Haiti. But, it is everyone's responsibility to work for the advancement of this rich and poor country. Each one, Help one!
Enough said,
Ayiti.
Ayiti"
Mobutoo
Stafford, VA - Thursday, February 26, 2004 at 08:03:33 (EST)
Webmaster, forgive for posting this lenghty document. I am sure you will agree that this is an important piece. Thank you for your understanding.
The case for the Criminal indictment of Jean Bertrand Aristide
A Call for Help
By
The People of Haiti
To
The International Community
{EDITED BY WEBMASTER}
J B Aristide
Palais National, - Thursday, February 26, 2004 at 07:32:29 (EST)
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This is a special event you cannot afford to miss and there will be lots of surprises.
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Upcoming events:
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Silver Spring, MD - Thursday, February 26, 2004 at 06:19:13 (EST)
Hello,
I do have a dealer in Columbia, his name is Surpermix. He's got lots of my merchanside if you what I mean. But it's no big deal I got plenty more where that come from.
XXX, Loune,Pitidlakay, all you mofos are wrong.
I gots me a new movie: Sleepless in Tabar.
It about me not getting enough sleep. My thugs are coming after me, mildwett will leave me, I am loosing my power. It's making headlines yall, not even Mel Gibson's Passion of Christ can come slose.
All my propagandists in Washington, Silver Spring, Columbia(Supermix)I am cutting all your checks. Read my LIPS: no more money for you. I need all my funds to to keep Mildwett, isn't she beautiful? I mean her smooth light skin just kills me... mwen remin'l remin'l remin'l map fout kimbe'l kamem.
Msie ou di nou ke kommece drog ce nan mem li ye
J B Aristide <timaurice@palaisnational.com>
Palais National, PAP - Wednesday, February 25, 2004 at 20:41:55 (EST)
Mwen we ke yo arete ou ban moun nan Columbia, Maryland pou Drog, map mande mwen si yo pa pran kek ayisyen tou? Si nou konen, tanpri di nou.
Hello
Hello
- Wednesday, February 25, 2004 at 16:23:46 (EST)
Loune,
This is because they got killed in Part 1.
xxx
- Wednesday, February 25, 2004 at 12:18:08 (EST)
Why you didn't include Aristide and the chimeres ? Are they innocents?
"Return of the Zenglendo Part 2
Currently playing in Haiti
Starring: Guy Phillipe, Louis Jodel, Andre Apaid
Cost of Movie : Lots of Green back
Scprit written: In the Dominican Republic
Producer: Bush Administration
Rated:Bloodshed
Caution: Mothers and Fathersget your tissues; Your daughters will be raped , your sons killed, your properties stolen. "
Loune
- Wednesday, February 25, 2004 at 09:22:19 (EST)
Return of the Zenglendo Part 2
Currently playing in Haiti
Starring: Guy Phillipe, Louis Jodel, Andre Apaid
Cost of Movie : Lots of Green back
Scprit written: In the Dominican Republic
Producer: Bush Administration
Rated:Bloodshed
Caution: Mothers and Fathersget your tissues; Your daughters will be raped , your sons killed, your properties stolen.
PititKay
Laurel, MD - Tuesday, February 24, 2004 at 19:05:15 (EST)
It is true that France, U.S.A, Germany , local leaders have contributed to our current status as the most impoverished nation of the Western Hemisphere. However, the responsibility to have a sovereign country, that is respected by all, rests squarely on our shoulders. ON the shoulder of every concerned Haitian.IT is a luxury to live abroad and periodically share opinions about who is right and who is wrong. Iam right, Haiti is still sufering. or, I am wrong, Haiti is still suffering.We all can make a difference if we really care about Haiti.Whether we do our part or not, it is still our responsibility to contribute to a better and sovereign Haiti. Our "degrees and pedigrees" are not the result of our intelligence. We were always smart. It is the culmination of a sea of blood and unfulfilled dreams(our ancestors) which provide for our present well-being. All of us don't have to be involved in politics.In Haiti, there exist organizations(Haitian organizations) that make small loans to peasants or entrepeneurs .These loans help a mother send her children to school. You can contribute to these funds.There are a lot of ways one can help!No one is a savior!it is not anyone's job to save Haiti. But, it is everyone's responsibility to work for the advancement of this rich and poor country. Each one, Help one!
Enough said,
Ayiti.
Ayiti
- Tuesday, February 24, 2004 at 09:34:53 (EST)
Am a grate fan of wyclef jean,am always inspired be his musics,i should have like to go into music, just because of wyclef but its too late for me now.i will like to know why is the wyclef foundation is only concentrating on US and haiti am not jelous the only thing is their are fans for clef in africa than any part of the world their are somany kids that are inspired by clef because of that they want to go into music.
wour reply will be appreciated.
john charles
john a charles <charles18712002@yahoo.co.uk>
freetown, sierra leone - Tuesday, February 24, 2004 at 07:47:58 (EST)
I must say that I agree that we must look at the bigger picture. Countries like the U.S. have been covertly controlling presidents/dictators from other countries for decades. The way that you behave with them will determine if your country gets placed under an embargo or not. However, I also agree that no one can force you to do what you don't want to do, and most of our haitian leaders have been greedy puppets who didn't really care about their own people. There's more to it than meets the eyes. When the U.S. decided that Saddam's time was up, they got rid of him, when they decided that Charles's (in Africa)time was up, they got rid of him. Yet, they still haven't touched North Korea who already confronted them.
There is a lesson to be learned here. It is true that the bigger powers have more power behind the scene than we give them credit for. However, ultimately, our leaders have to care enough to do what's right.
Joanna <cuanny@hotmail.com>
Detroit, Mi - Monday, February 23, 2004 at 18:56:23 (EST)
There is no question that our independence was not recognized by many countries 200 years ago. However, we need to take responsiblity for our shortcomings. Our presidents were not French, Americans or Germans. They were all Haitians, we are mostly to blame. If Haiti is not where it is supposed to be, we should not blame the U.S. France, etc from something that happened more than a century ago. When I think of our leaders before, and then we have Duvalier, Namphy, Avril, Cedras, Aristide, Preval, Aristide(2), they are all moun lakay. Our leaders past & present had a choice, to be good or to be bad. An overwhelming majority knows our leaders have been bad for Haiti. That is why France, US. etc continue to question, ridicule and downplay Haiti’s sovereignty – even 200 years later. I support our cause of "unity" but not at the expense of others.
Mobutoo
Stafford, VA - Monday, February 23, 2004 at 08:40:17 (EST)
Where there is NO vision, the people will perish.
Love For My People
USA - Sunday, February 22, 2004 at 13:02:19 (EST)
Thanks for your thoughtful and insightful suggestions map swiv, Mobutoo and Prawzon. My only regret is not bringing this matter to the board’s attention earlier this week to solicit feedback on this topic. Even though the issue has been resolved, please feel free to make comments anyway.
Nevertheless, I want to share our final decision with the board. As it now stands, the name of the march will NOT change. We have decided to move forward with A CALL TO ACTION IN SUPPORT OF UNITY AND A COLLECTIVE VISION FOR OUR COUNTRY, PEOPLE AND NATIONAL IDENTITY. We believe the significance of a National March for Haitian Empowerment has taken on a timely and meaningful scope. In other words, “Were there is NO vision, the people will perish.”
I know there are some on this board who don’t agree with this position and that is okay. I am of the mindset that no matter how hard it seems – we really can agree to disagree. Therefore, forgive me if I sound too naive or idealistic by saying I think there is a bigger picture contributing to the current problems going on in Haiti. Systemic problems that have existed since our ancestors and forefathers declared independence 200 years ago. Frankly, I believe Haiti is being punished and is paying the price her freedom.
Think about it guys. Forget about the Aristide factor for a minute (I know it’s hard but you can do it).
We can not forget that countries such as France, Germany, England, and the United States failed to recognize Haiti’s independence for a reason. Why? Because Haiti was founded by a bunch of black, rebellious, arrogant Negroes who thought they were too good to be colonized, oppressed and enslaved by white, wealthy colonizers. (Thank you Papa Dessalines). That is why they continue to question, ridicule and downplay Haiti’s sovereignty – even 200 years later.
And that is why the Haitian diaspora can not afford to remain passive, silent and divided. The time has come for us to stand united and send a message of hope and empowerment to our brothers and sisters in Haiti that no matter what. We’ve got their backs.
That is why we can not continue to let the “POLITICS OF DIVISION” in Haiti (hate-i) define who we are as a people. We must try at the very least to put our differences aside and stand united – the same way our forefathers stood united despite their differences.
This was supposed to be our year - the year of Haitian pride and patriotism. And now the possibility that peace keeping troops from France and/or the United States is a serious cause for concern.
As members of the Haitian Diaspora and Citizens of the 10th Department, we must rise to the level of this occasion and support the need for Haitian empowerment at home and abroad. We must demonstrate once again that we can live under the motto of our creed in order to build on the patriotic vision of unity in strength.
Like it or not. Our rendezvous with destiny has arrived. Let us embrace and define this moment together – in honor of all those who died for us to be free.
So what do you think guys and gals? Based on the current situation in Haiti, do you agree or disagree with the idea of a movement that supports haitian empowerment? Please share your views.
Love For My People
- Saturday, February 21, 2004 at 22:40:58 (EST)
Madigras nan la ri 5 jou gra. Jodi ya, sé dj yo avek reine yo kap soti.Gro ban'n yo ap soti dimanch lindi madi.
Guin you ban'n nan nou yok ki rélé rasin okan ki fè you mizik ki di mwen pap batt kok anko,mal batt kok mwen nan gagè mwen pèdi.
Pou march la mwen renmen fraz ki di unité ya,men fok 10D fè anpil atensyoin ak vacabon ki pral pwofité pou viré mach la pou sal pa tap yé
Pou bal yo mwen twouvé pwomotè yo frèt vré, pwomotè yo guen lè yo razè vré wi. Jeanzephi ak Harol ap fè le rare,Lacay sé ti pwogram vendredi li li connen,Agimal men'm li pa sou voyé chaché jazz sé afè jazz pa li lap réglé avek afè cinéma. Map tan jazz local la ki pral soti ya.By the way,Agimal mwen wè foto Trankill yo nan boby express la, monchè bèl bagay,médame yo pral renmen ti mésié sa yo.
Pou politik la men'n sé mhou,no diol to talk
Pwazon
Silver Spring, MD - Friday, February 20, 2004 at 17:50:06 (EST)
LFMP, I personally like "National March for Democracy and Unity in Haiti" I had a little problem understanding the March for Empowerment. Hopefully we can show a different side of what is being portrayed on TV everyday. A peaceful March of many concerned Haitians will do. Unfortunately, I just learned that I will be out of the country that week.
Mobutoo
Stafford, VA - Friday, February 20, 2004 at 16:03:41 (EST)
LFMP,
Sista, you are between a rock and a hard place. I feel bad for you, but as was proven on this board most of these people will not let you NOT take sides, especially for a national march in Washington, DC.
My suggestion, would be to leave it as is and do the best you can to word your speeches carefully.
peace
map swiv
- Friday, February 20, 2004 at 14:45:35 (EST)
Hi Echodhaiti.com,
I hope everyone is doing well and remembering not to le t fear get in the way of their dreams. Although I have not been able to participate in this forum lately, I am reaching out to you for your feedback.
As you all are aware, we are organizing a National March for Haitian Empowerment which is scheduled to take place next month (3/20). Up until two weeks ago, several grassroots organizations in New York, Miami, and Boston committed to about 15-20 buses of participants. Since then, we have been receiving calls from activists, leaders and organizers asking us to take a position about the current crisis in Haiti. We do not want to take sides because both sides should be held accountable for their actions.
The situation is that 10th DOHE is not a politically based organization, nor does it want to be tagged as one. Our main objective is to spread the message of Haitian empowerment because ultimately, this is what we need. Our goal is to start a movement that will lead to positive social change for our people at home and abroad. We believe that the Haitian diaspora has a role to play by helping to create a collective vision for our people, country and national identity.
When it is all said and done, the eyes of the world are upon us once again. And once again, the story of a divided people is being told 200 years after the birth of our nation. Maybe that is why Cuba, Jamaica, Dominican Republic and the United States have already said “NO TO HAITIAN REFUGEES” if a mass exodus takes place.
How sad and unfortunate this is.
That being said, suggestions have been made to change or modify the name of the march. Personally speaking, I don’t think this is a good move. But I am only one person with one voice. I am going on a conference call this afternoon to discuss this matter in more detail.
So I would like to know if anyone would be willing to make any recommendations so that any potential changes will be reflected on the website this Monday COB. The suggestions are as follows:
1) National March for Democracy and Haitian Empowerment
2) National March for Democracy and Unity in Haiti
3) Leave it as is
4) Other – please recommend
Your suggestions will not only be taken into consideration but also be greatly appreciated.
Love For My People
- Friday, February 20, 2004 at 14:37:29 (EST)
Mobutoo thank you for saying something. I was starting to think that I forgot to use my deodorant.
I think, like Smoochees have stated, NOTHING messes with Kanaval, but I don't know what's going to happen this year. If International troops "invade" Haiti, it will be strange to have people at Kanaval while these foreign troops stare in amazement.
map swiv
- Friday, February 20, 2004 at 13:06:15 (EST)
Silence is good but I need to break it for a minute to know something. I was just reading some news on Haiti (Yahoo), it says "the rebel leader will attack Cap Haitien during the Carnaval". Does that mean tap gin kanaval malgré tout bagay map tandé yo?
Mobutoo
Stafford, VA - Friday, February 20, 2004 at 12:26:44 (EST)
La Folie décida d'inviter ses amis pour prendre un café chez elle.
>Tous les invités y allèrent. Après le café la Folie proposa:
>On joue à cache-cache ?
>cache-cache ? C'est quoi, ça ?, demanda la Curiosité.
>Cache-cache est un jeu. Je compte jusqu'à cent et vous vous cachez.
>Quand j'ai fini de compter je cherche, et le premier que je trouve sera le prochain à compter.
>Tous acceptèrent, sauf la Peur et la paresse.
>1, 2, 3,..., la Folie commença à compter.
>L'Empressement se cacha le premier, n'importe où.
>La Timidité, timide comme toujours, se cacha dans une touffe d'arbre.
>La Joie courrut au milieu du jardin.
>La Tristesse commença à pleurer, car elle ne trouvait pas d'endroit approprié pour se cacher.
>L'Envie accompagna le Triomphe et se cacha près de lui derrière un rocher.
>La Folie continuait de compter tandis que ses amis se cachaient.
>Le Désespoir étaient désespéré en voyant que la Folie était déjà à quatre vingt dix-neuf. CENT ! cria la Folie. Je vais commencer à chercher...
>La première à être trouvée fut la Curiosité, car elle n'avait pu s'empêcher de sortir de sa cachette pour voir qui serait le premier découvert.
>En regardant sur le côté, la Folie vit le Doute au-dessus d'une
>clôture ne sachant pas de quel côté il serait mieux caché.
>Et ainsi de suite, elle découvrit la Joie, la Tristesse, la Timidité...
>Quand ils furent tous réunis, la Curiosité demanda :
>Où est l'Amour ?
>Personne ne l'avait vu. La Folie commença à le chercher.
>Elle chercha au-dessus d'une montagne, dans les rivières au pied des rochers.
>Mais elle ne trouvait pas l'Amour.
>Cherchant de tous côtés, la Folie vit un rosier, pris un bout de
>bois et commença à chercher parmi les branches,lorsque soudain elle entendit un cri.
>C'était l'Amour, qui criait parce qu'une épine lui avait crevé un oeil.
>La Folie ne savait pas quoi faire. Elle s'excusa, implora l'Amour pour avoir son pardon et alla jusqu'a lui promettre de le suivre pour toujours. L'Amour accepta les excuses. Aujourd'hui, l'Amour est aveugle et la Folie l'accompagne toujours.
>S'il te plait envoie ça à tout ton carnet d'adresse (et tu verras
>cequ'il t'arrivera dans les sept prochains jours)
Alexanon
silver spring, MD - Wednesday, February 18, 2004 at 23:56:24 (EST)
BE PART OF HISTORY
Don't miss the first presentation,first show ever ,first "bal"
OF
T R A N K I L L
Saturday April 10, 2004 - 9PM
AT
NAPOLI
8241 Georgia Ave Silver Spring MD
NAPOLI is a beautiful Italian Restaurant,you'll love it
Jazz la renmen'n anpil
Jean Claude Vivens <jcvivens@mris.com>
Wheaton, MD - Wednesday, February 18, 2004 at 16:39:17 (EST)
Map Swiv, I thought CARIMI was supposed to be in the area in March, Mwen rentre , I don't party anymore.
Yopran'm
- Wednesday, February 18, 2004 at 15:00:05 (EST)
Map swiv.....I have a feeling that pwomote yo dekouraje. Things are really tight right now. Finding a decent spot to have an event is becoming more and more an issue in our community. I know we do have some upcoming events. I believe carimi will be here the end of march and we have more coming...
smoochees
- Wednesday, February 18, 2004 at 14:47:00 (EST)
Folks, it's going from bad to worse. But any way, one question for smoochees, yo pran'm, mobutou, and anyone else.
How come there's nothing going on in the dC area in this community? The calendar page has been pretty empty for the most part. Is ECho? or there's nothing going on?
Are people not in a partying mood right now??
map swiv
- Wednesday, February 18, 2004 at 11:47:16 (EST)
It was indeed a great night,moune yo vrèman renmen film nan.
I LOVE YOU ANNE ap répassé 14 Mars toujou nan Los Arrieros 7926 Georgia Ave Silver Spring Md à 6 pm.
Le 28 Mars ce sera la grande première du film LE VENT DU DESIR,le 18 Avril (Easter Sunday)la projection du film PROTEGE MOI.
Surveiller les annonces car il y aura d'autres présentations,peut être un film chaque Dimanche à Los Arrieros pou nou pa rété raz.Men sé nou ki pou sipoté pwogram nan.
TRANKILL sé sa nèt.The pictures of the band are out, you can see a couple of them at Boby Express or at Esther Express.I hope we can put one on Echo to introduce the band to our friends on the site.In march the new "BAD BOY" in town guitarist Carlito Perez will be introduce to the viewers of Haiti A Suivre.Enfin nap travail dur très dur pou nou wè si nou ta soti LIVE le 10 Avril prochain,et soti you CD pou été 2004 la.
Jazz la renmen ou
Jazz la renmen ou anpil
Jean Claude Vivens <jcvivens@mris.com>
Wheaton, MD - Tuesday, February 17, 2004 at 18:39:41 (EST)
What's going girlie? Are you alright? depi mwen pa we'w lan mwen suspek ke se jwen ou jwen.
Yopran'm
- Tuesday, February 17, 2004 at 12:18:50 (EST)
Yopranm.....mwen we'w pa mande pou mwen enko (smile). It's all good. Still the same love. How are you? Hope all is well. Take care girl!!!
smoochees
- Tuesday, February 17, 2004 at 09:27:49 (EST)
Pwazon......LOL.....much LOVE to you too. Mwen we'w chaje ak lanmou nan ke'w. That's good. Keep spreading it. Min le ou pa we'm sou board la mwen la undercover. Map swiv bagay yo with very close eyes....lol. I heard Ska Shah was of the hook. Yo di'm li te chaje ak gran moun tou.
Kite'm kontinye swiv bagay yo.....(en silence)
smoochees
- Tuesday, February 17, 2004 at 09:26:45 (EST)
We must understand that the problem in Gonaives is an "inter lavalasse" problem to quote Serge Gilles.
Natacha I really enjoy reading your point,I think you are one smart sister.
Le plus haut, P.R, Agimal big up to you all ,nou se moune mwen. Et men koté'w Smooches,wal baye goal,ou sé moune mwen tou oui sister.
YO Agimal I heard that the movie I LOVE YOU ANNE was very good last night.When will they show it again,I miss it,I went to N.Y,and let me tell you guys Skah Shah is #1 all over again.
Trankill mété'w en forme pou fèm dansé paské mwen guen you ménaj tou nèf ki renmen compas
Pwazon
Silver Spring, MD - Monday, February 16, 2004 at 17:29:09 (EST)
We must understand that the problem in Gonaives is an "inter lavalasse" problem to quote Serge Gilles.
Natacha I really enjoy reading your point,I think you are one smart sister.
Le plus haut, P.R, Agimal big up to you all ,nou se moune mwen. Et men koté'w Smooches,wal baye goal,ou sé moune mwen tou oui sister.
YO Agimal I heard that the movie I LOVE YOU ANNE was very good last night.When will they show it again,I miss it,I went to N.Y,and let me tell you guys Skah Shah is #1 all over again.
Trankill mété'w en forme pou fèm dansé paské mwen guen you ménaj tou nèf ki renmen compas
Pwazon
Silver Spring, MD - Monday, February 16, 2004 at 17:29:09 (EST)
To the whole echodhaiti.com family: "HAPPY BELATED VALENTINE'S DAY". Pierre Richard and Agimal please give me a call. I was away from the board for a little while.
Le Plus Haut
White Oak, Md - Monday, February 16, 2004 at 15:55:54 (EST)
For the first time in new jersey in 2004! Carimi(nasty biznis) -vs- Konpa kreyol(lipa vini) The hottest teenages guys of the music industry.
@ Brokers the hottest club in new jersey
88 evergreen place. East orange nj
For tickets info:(973)418-4487 or (973)678-8800
$25 in adv. more @ the door
Belvedere ent. & Patrick Prod. Brings you <Belvedere4ever@HOTMAIL.COM>
Irvington, nj - Sunday, February 15, 2004 at 12:27:16 (EST)
For the first time in new jersey in 2004! Carimi(nasty biznis) -vs- Konpa kreyol(lipa vini) The hottest teenages guys of the music industry
For tickets info:(973)418-4487 or (973)678-8800
$25 in adv. more @ the door
Belvedere ent. & Patrick Prod. Brings you <Belvedere4ever@HOTMAIL.COM>
Irvington, nj - Sunday, February 15, 2004 at 12:24:36 (EST)
Can we just take a break on this sunny and beautiful valentine weekend to send love and much love to our fellow Haitians,our country,our community.
Too much hatred going on here in this black history, canaval, and valentine month.
love love love to Titid,Opposition,Bush Saddam,Ben Laden,P.R, Map Suiv, LFMP,Mobuto,Zephyr,Vivens,Smooches,Echodhaiti,Wacahapa,Yonyon,Haiti a Suivre,Combite Lacay,Expoze Magazine,the new band Trankill, all our DJS,Lacay Production,"Anonymes from 0 to 1.000.000",
LOTS OF LOVE TO YOU ALL AND TO THE REST OF THE WORLD.
Pwazon
Silver Spring, MD - Friday, February 13, 2004 at 18:15:17 (EST)
LOL, this is too easy. You have a dirty mind,woman. I am a gentleman and such vulgar thoughts never ever crossed my mind(fingers crossed).
Physiology 101: the working mechanism of the human body or any organism for that matter. To get a rise of out of me is a natural phenomena, my need for viagra is still some thirty odd years away, may be.
Haitian Soul, you may have to watch your back more than I have to watch mine.
On a serious note, today is friday the 13th. Be careful!
I am taking a vacation from Echodhaiti.com.
Absence diminishes minor passions and inflames great ones,
as the wind douses a candle and fans a fire. (Francois De La Rochefoucault)
PR
Columbia, - Friday, February 13, 2004 at 17:32:18 (EST)
I couldn't resist, and I'm glad I didn't. Wow, you two (PR & new kid on the block) keep prooving my points. You take a bit of fact, blow it out of prortion, add a bit of ignorance and call it present it as new fact.
American culture 101: to get a rise out of someone means to get them excited or get a reaction out them. Although I'm glad the Viagra is working for you two, but please take the "peter" in hand and release the tension.
Follow Kent Tel's lead and have a good Valentine's weekend.
map swiv
- Friday, February 13, 2004 at 16:02:06 (EST)
anonym105,
Do we have laws in haiti? Where were they when Claudy Gassant wanted to preside over Dominique's case. Where were they when Aristide called anyone he wanted and fabricated schemes to steal the people's money. It looks to me that there are laws whenever, the powerful needs them. Do you call this law?
Anonym
- Friday, February 13, 2004 at 15:46:08 (EST)
Thanks Mobutoo. I was not talking about you. Your stance is clear.Mapswiv, you had me fooled girl.But you guys change the subject quicker than George Bush tells a lie, But I ain't mad at you. PR, I don't mind getting seconds, holla at you boy.
Haitian Soul
crownsville, MD - Friday, February 13, 2004 at 15:43:58 (EST)
They come in a variety of colors and shapes
I prefer the darker hue,
for it said, "the darker the berry, the sweeter the juice"
they are soft, like balloons filled with the blessed water of Sodo
cool like rose petals drenched in the morning dew
sweet like Haitian chocolat on a Sunday morning
if you manage to sqeeze them right, their juices will flow like the river of the Nile
Kent Tèl
- Friday, February 13, 2004 at 14:29:52 (EST)
Map Swiv, I am doing exactly that map swiv, a friend of mine once told me : "lorsqu'on a rien a dire, on se tait". I am on the board everyday watching the debate, I must say though, it's been quite interesting here.
Happy Valentine's Day to all!
Yopran'm
- Friday, February 13, 2004 at 14:16:23 (EST)
En novembre dernier, j'ai fait une intervention sur ce forum en déclarant qu'endépit de la nature crapuleuse et mégalomane du régime LAVALAS, l'on se doit de reconnaître sa légitimité constitutionnelle. L'opposition ou la société civile, qu'elle soit convergente ou divergente, qu'elle regroupe en son sein plus de 184 partis ou tendances politiques, qu'elle reçoive son budget d'opération de l'UE ou de la USAID et d'autres, a la liberté citoyenne et civique de manifester et d'exprimer son désaccord politique avec le régime LAVALAS. Mais ce qu'elle n'a pas le droit de faire, c'est de mener des activités subversives qui n'ont qu'un objectif: paralyser le pays à son profit.
L'opposition doit s'amener à comprendre, qu'au seuil de ce troisième millénaire, il est plus opportun de renverser un régime impopulaire comme celui d'Aristide, non pas par des manifestations et des actes de brigandage, mais par une mobilisation générale des urnes (polls).
N'est-il pas un fait indéniable qu'il est parvenu au pouvoir par des élections --que beaucoup pourraient qualifier de truquer ou commanditer? Il est aussi vrai que la communauté internationale a reconnu et reconnait encore aujourd'hui la légitimité de sa présidence. Donc, toute insatisfaction et déception de ses performances comme chef d'état, doit être évaluée et décidée au cours des prochaines élections. C'est ainsi qu'agit une opposition crédible, respectable et responsable.
L'opposition doit emprunter le chemin démocratique des urnes -- qui est les élections -- pour le chasser du pouvoir. Voulant à tout pris le faire par des sabotages, des tueries, des brutales manifestations de rue ne rimerait à rien. Il faut que l'on cesse de résoudre les problèmes politiques par la violence; il faut en finir avec des coups d'état. Si l'opposition veut le pouvoir, il doit l'avoir en présentant au pays un projet de société viable différent de celui d'Aristide. Et pour ce faire, LAVALS doit assumer ses responsabilités comme gouvernement en respectant les droits humains, la liberté de la presse, l'autonomie de l'université...
Je dois souligner que le principe de la légalité constitutionnelle qui prône le maintien d'Aristide au pouvoir jusqu'à la date du 7 février 2006 n'est pas irrévocable. Il peut être mis au rencart, si son gouvernement n'arrête pas ses promenades nocturnes avec les CHIMERES.
NATACHA
02-13-2004
NATACHA
POTOMAC, MD - Friday, February 13, 2004 at 14:02:58 (EST)
"LOL
don't be so serious baby, you are much too beautiful. That "50" was meant to get a rise out of PR,but I'm glad to see you are as sensitive as he is.
Someone pointed you out in one of Echodhaiti's pictures..."
I could be wrong, but it seems odd that a dude would invest time inquiring about a another dude. So I will give you the benefit of the doubt that you are a woman.
As such, if you looking to get a "rise" out of me as you put it, please don't mention Aristide. This dude will send everything down south,lol. Let me assure you that it will not be difficult to get me up, thus far I have risen and answered every call. You are right. I am a sensitive man. Please don't around the bush, we are all grown folks here.
Lastly, di mwen ki langue ou pale le wap fe lammou?
No more politics!!!!!! Lol
Happy Valentine's day to all.
PR
Columbia, MD - Friday, February 13, 2004 at 13:14:20 (EST)
Damn anonym, I think you missed his/her point totally.
Lighten up. Do we have to choose sides? That's the point.
I usually just read, but sometimes one can't keep quiet.
WHY DO YOU HAVE TO BE ON ONE SIDE OR OTHER!!!!!!!! PRESENT THE FACTS, AND I MEAN FACTS, AND USE THE LAW OF THE LAND TO CORRECT OR PUNISH THE GUILTY.
PEACE
anonym105
Wheaton, MD - Friday, February 13, 2004 at 13:05:42 (EST)
map swiv,
No, you were not playing. Your intention was to suggest that the march failed. We are on the board here discussing Haiti's serious problems. This is why no one wants to take us seriously when we ask for something. What is going on in Haiti now is nothing we can joke about no matter what side we are on.
Anonym
- Friday, February 13, 2004 at 12:57:38 (EST)
PR, we've never meant, but b/c you've got the stones to put your name on your post, I know who you are. Someone pointed you out in one of Echodhaiti's pictures...
I got a meeting, so you all have a wonderful Valentine's day weekend - hope it's fill with love and love making.
"mwen gen ou ti mennaj (anonym)
lè map karese'l
mwen gen ou jan mwen manyenn
li di mwen cheri wan pechem pale..."
map swiv
- Friday, February 13, 2004 at 12:37:20 (EST)
LOL@mapswiv...
Are you a woman? damn, we should making love than.
PR
Columbia, MD - Friday, February 13, 2004 at 12:33:03 (EST)
Mapswiv, "50 people" is a serious distortion of the truth. In all events, I took my hat off to all the people who showed up despite the freezing and icy conditions to express their view, they showed commitment and conviction.
Anonym, your last entry is the thesis of my argument: Aristide does not respect his contract. And that is an understatement!
I am not promoting the Opposition directly.
Map swiv, have we ever exchange words(friendly or otherwise) in person?
PR
Columbia, - Friday, February 13, 2004 at 12:30:08 (EST)
"Amonym"
LOL
don't be so serious baby, you are much too beautiful. That "50" was meant to get a rise out of PR, but I'm glad to see you are as sensitive as he is. Please find a name that may go with your personality, we are all anonym, but you have: mobutoo, yo pranm, smoochees (where are you by the way), ayiti, map swiv, ncog (where R U 2?), etc..
it's more fun that way.
map swiv
- Friday, February 13, 2004 at 12:29:42 (EST)
map swiv,
Tell your friend to learn how to count.
Moboutu,
You are right. Aristide has a contract. However, he also has to live to the letter of that contract, which what i blame him for.
Amonym
MD - Friday, February 13, 2004 at 12:13:12 (EST)
PR, you are so ready to respond that you keep missing the point. I'm trying to "recruit" him, the point is that we may not agree on all the points but I am not labelling him with one side or another.
I would be glad to sit with him or you have a dialogue and be willing to compromise, and shake hands at the end. THAT is what Haitian politics should be about.
I do believe you about Apaid, and that's my other point in the past few weeks you've started talking more rhetoric than fact or opinion. You were never "pro" gov't but lately I FEEL that's it's more opposition rhetoric rather than your opinion. I could be wrong (something else that needs to come into Haitian politics, admitting that you COULD be wrong.)
Yeah, a friend of mine told me you were among the "50" people at the Haitian Embassy protest.
map swiv
- Friday, February 13, 2004 at 12:00:33 (EST)
Lol@my good friend Mapswiv. Mapswiv, it has been only 1 month since I first herad the name Apaid, and only 2 days ago I searched Yahoo to see what this guy look like. I hope you believe me.
"By the way, PR, you didn't need to "join" the Haiti Democracy Project."
Are you referring to the protest held a few weeks ago?
And why are trying you recruit Mobutoo into you camp? Mobutoo made it clear that he too is disatisfy with the current government. It just a matter of principle for him. Stand on you own two feet.
PR
columbia, MD - Friday, February 13, 2004 at 11:23:13 (EST)
Moboutu we have nothing to apologize for. The point has been made here at least a million times: It is NOT just "pro-Aristide" or "pro-convergence". I will make a bet that NONE of us have an official card that says "Lavalas party member" or "Group 184 party member." We'll find more Democrats and Republican cards. Because you believe that Aristide's gov't is corrupted, doesn't mean you must "join" the opposition, which is what happened to my friend PR.
By the way, PR, you didn't need to "join" the Haiti Democracy Project.
map swiv
- Friday, February 13, 2004 at 10:43:48 (EST)
Welcome to the Board Haitian Soul. Thanks for your opinion but you misunderstood two major things. First, just because one argue that Aristide finish his term does not in anyway characterize him/her as Pro-Aristide. Second, the argument may be weak in your eyes but in principle, he was elected until 2006. The election to me is a signed contract, if you want to null and void it, the legal way is to go to court/ballot. My argument is not a pro-Aristide, although there is nothing wrong if it was, rather it is one of principle. If we made a wrong decision we should wait for the next opportunity to correct it and learn from it.
Mobutoo
Stafford, VA - Friday, February 13, 2004 at 08:24:42 (EST)
Yes, you can personnally attack a public figure.It is rather you, Pierre, who does not understand anything.You have the luxury of living here under the pretext that things are bad in Haiti. Go run for public office. Let's see what you can do. and, good luck to you!
Ayiti
- Friday, February 13, 2004 at 00:04:24 (EST)
Haitian Soul, I don't think this whole exchange was about friendship or scoring cool points, at least not on my part. In all fairness, Mapswiv is a very bright individual, I don't think he would let susceptibility get in the way of our common grounds.
PR
Columbia, MD - Thursday, February 12, 2004 at 20:55:32 (EST)
I am an Haitian-American with great interest in this political turmoil, but I have very little knowledge about the political scene in Haiti.I have been following this political debate since the begining. Let me say that it has been both fun and informative. PR, I must hand it to you man. Impartially, if this was a court room where these two sides presented their stories, I would hand it to Pierre Richard Torchnot and his team. The Pro-Aristide did not have much of an argument besides that he should finish his term. The informations with sources were presented in an eloquent manner by PR. You are a passionate brother. The only thing is, you made more foes than friends. Echodhaiti should encourage more political debates,and perhaps next time I will throw my 2cents. By the way, when is the next party yall? I am out.
Haitian Soul
Crownsville, MD - Thursday, February 12, 2004 at 17:21:34 (EST)
Love for My People,
After reading all this political Gobbledygook, I am quite numb to the whole movement. I can’t say that I will partake in the MARCH, because no one is making sense here. Where are you?? Bring some insight to this mess. I'm outta here it’s getting pretty bloody, and I can’t have anyone’s blood on my hands.
LFMP, do you still have love for us?? Where are you?!!!
Cynical Haitian
Anywhere, NY - Thursday, February 12, 2004 at 11:23:23 (EST)
" Arab racist-caste {EDITED BY WEBMASTER} suicidal neighbors! "
Just wondering
- Thursday, February 12, 2004 at 09:06:37 (EST)
Lol, dude, you don't even understand what you are writing. Aristide is a "PUBLIC FIGURE", how do you get me attacking him "personally". It's like I am throwing water on a duck hoping it will get wet. Good luck to you.
PR
- Thursday, February 12, 2004 at 07:58:04 (EST)
Pierre,
You are also driven by fanaticism,. Moreover, you are driven by arrogance.
You chose to personnally attack Aristide . You chose to state so many false statements about him, while you ignore the illegal and criminal act of a greedy opposition which cares more about power than the future of Haiti.
Aristide will not resign. He has said it. And, He should not resign. He should finish his term. He is not and should not be intimadated by a bunch of thugs or a minority.
NO, there is no proof that the majority of Haitians want him to resign. He continues to have more supporters than anyone else in Haiti.
You also have no proof that the chimeres were Aristide supporters. It could be that those chimeres are Andre Apaid's. Remember, they used to be soldiers which the elite paid to kill Aristide. They overthrew him through a coup d'etat. Some of those Chimeres are guarding the houses of the elite. But, of course, you will not mention that .
ARistide will not resign!Elections should be the means by which we elect our leaders. NO excuses!
Ayiti
- Thursday, February 12, 2004 at 00:24:58 (EST)
Enough of the politics! On a positive note, I think that haitians are some of the most culturally gifted people on the face of the planet. I read a few of Edwidge Danticat's books. I also recently read a newly released book called "facing Our Skeletons" by a published haitian author named Carmel S. Victor. The book is a romance novel. I think she did an excellent job with it. I hear that so far the book is doing very well. Check it out at the author's website at www.carmelsvictor.com
Hooray to Haitian imagination!!
Vanessa Tresvant <darn2cool@yahoo.com>
Chicago, IL - Wednesday, February 11, 2004 at 22:04:17 (EST)
LAST NIGHT ON HAITI A SUIVRE I SAW A PEICE OF THE MOVIE I LOVE YOU ANNE,IT WAS SO FUNNY.MY SISTER AND I CAN'T WAIT FOR SUNDAY.
MICHOU
HYATTSVILLE, MD - Wednesday, February 11, 2004 at 19:39:13 (EST)
Bon Mezanmi tròp politik, ki diaz kap vini nan DC ane sa-a, sa pi interesem wi
Mwen menm menm
- Wednesday, February 11, 2004 at 19:15:19 (EST)
Oui echodhaiti sé foute vré,moin comme bourik moin bouké avec ban'n repoter /rapotè sa yo kap écri ban'n atic bien long sa yo .
Si you moune guen foli jounalis sé pou yo al travay pou washington post .Toutan sé ralé atic nan intènet pou ecri nan echo.
Di moune ki koté yo ka li atic la ,si you moune ka entré sou echodhaiti.com sè ki li guen intenèt min'm jan avè'w.
ENGLISH
I think that the webmaster got a point ,some of us here are playing reporters,to me they are nothing but (rapotè) which is different than a reporter.if someone wants to be a reporter they should consider working for the post or some other news agency.
It doesn't make any sense to pull an article from the internet and write it all over in this guestbook while you know that if someone is on line with echo they can also check out the site where you get the news.
just put the site and a quick synapsis of the article, those of us who are interested will check it out.
é pi that's it.
Bourik la bouké
Germantown, MD - Wednesday, February 11, 2004 at 18:17:11 (EST)
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We ask in certain cases to please post the url address (http://...) of the article that you may want to post. We appreciate the forum and your visit to EchodHaiti.com
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- Wednesday, February 11, 2004 at 13:45:07 (EST)
Horloge du Mensonge:
Un homme décède et va au paradis. Il arrive dans le
bureau de St- Pierre, et remarque que les murs sont
ornés d'une multitude d'horloges, intrigué il lui
demande " dites-moi, à quoi servent ces horloges
accrochées contre vos murs ? " , et le saint homme de
lui répondre : " ce sont les horloges du mensonge,
lorsqu'une personne dit un mensonge, son horloge
personnelle avance d'une heure.
Voici par exemple celle de mère Teresa, elle est
bloquée sur midi, donc elle n'a jamais dit de
mensonge.
Voici celle de Martin Luther King, elle marque deux
heures, donc il a prononcé deux mensonges dans sa vie.
L'homme observe les différentes horloges et
demande: " je ne vois pas celle du président Aristide.
St-Pierre " : Elle se trouve dans le bureau de Jésus,
il l'utilise comme ventilateur ! !
Semwen
Glendale, MD - Wednesday, February 11, 2004 at 13:24:19 (EST)
Was Ordered to Kill Andy Apaid
Originally: DECLARATION DU POLICIER JULES BELIMAIRE, A3
Jules Belimaire, Haitian policeman, 2004-01-08
Haiti Democracy Project web page item #1339 (http://www.haitipolicy.org)
DECLARATION DU POLICIER JULES BELIMAIRE, A3
On le nomme Jules BELIMAIRE, policier A3, issu de la première promotion formée à l'Académie de Police Nationale d'Haïti, immatriculé au No. 95-01-04-00-228 et affecté à la Direction Départementale de l'Ouest (DDO) à titre de responsable adjoint du Groupe d'Intervention Départementale de l'Ouest (GIDO).
Je suis l'un des douze policiers de GIDO impliqués dans l'affaire des enfants du Président Jean Bertrand ARISTIDE, du 12 août 2003, une affaire montée de toute pièce par Jean Claude JEAN BAPTISTE dont l'objectif principal était de renvoyer le Commissaire Divisionnaire Hermione LEONARD de la DDO et tous ceux soupçonnés d'en être proches, comme l'avait déjà annoncé Johnny OCCILIUS, l'ancien cadre de la Mairie de Cité Soleil, peu avant son départ pour l'exil, en août 2003. Depuis cette affaire, à cause des menaces que je reçois, je me suis mis à couvert. Parmi ces policiers, je suis le plus ciblé pour avoir reçu des ordres manifestement illégaux que j'ai refusé d'exécuter.
Citons entre autres:
Le 12 juillet 2003, à Cité soleil, cinq des policiers qui assuraient la sécurité des activités du Groupe des 184 dont moi, avons par la suite été contactés par un responsable de la police et certains membres du Gouvernement. Ces derniers nous ont invités à participer au Mardis de la Presse du 15 Juillet 2003, aux fins de déclarer que le Groupe des 184 avait tiré sur la population à Cité soleil, ce que nous avons catégoriquement refusé pour avoir vu de nos propres yeux qu'il n'y avait ni mort d'homme ni blessés au sein de la population de Cité Soleil, ce jour-là et que les véritables victimes sont les membres du Groupe des 184, qui ont essuyé des jets de pierre, des tessons de bouteilles et des tirs d'armes à feu etc.
Le 22 juillet 2003, trois jours avant la présentation au Parquet du Coordonnateur du Groupe des 184, André APAID, Jr., Jean Claude JEAN-BAPTISTE m'a contacté par le biais de Jean Musset ELVARISTE, un policier de la quatorzième promotion affecté à la DDO. Elvariste m'approcha pour me dire qu'un chef désirait s'entretenir avec moi sur son portable. Après maintes hésitations, je me suis décidé à répondre.
Mon interlocuteur s'est identifié comme étant Jean-Claude JEAN-BAPTISTE.
Il dit avoir appris que je suis responsable adjoint de GIDO et m'a proposé une rencontre au Commissariat de Delmas 33, le même jour, dans l'après-midi, à quatre heures trente (4:30). Deux policiers de la quatorzième promotion Lucien CEANT, Jean Musset ELVARISTE et moi, Jules BELIMAIRE avons laissé la DDO à destination de Delmas 33 à bord d'un véhicule de police. Lorsque nous fûmes arrivés, Jean-Claude JEAN-BAPTISTE était déjà sur les lieux de la rencontre. Il nous a invités à monter au bureau du Commissaire Emmanuel MOMPREMIER qui s'est déplacé à notre arrivée. Après s'être salués, Jean-Claude JEAN-BAPTISTE m'a posé des questions relatives à mon grade et à ma promotion mettant l'emphase sur mon intérêt à devenir inspecteur. Il m'a, par la suite, confié une mission qui consistait à préparer un plan d'assassinat contre le Coordonnateur du Groupe des 184, considéré comme une menace pour le gouvernement haïtien, lequel plan devait être effectif le 25 juillet 2003, au moment où celui-ci s'apprêterait à se rendre au Parquet de Port-au-Prince. Pour accomplir cette mission, deux autres personnes m'accompagneraient: Jean Musset ELVARISTE et un autre individu de la base Cameroun de Delmas 24 dont j'ignore le nom. Jean-Claude JEAN-BAPTISTE de poursuivre, qu'au cas où le coup ne passait pas, il y aurait quatre (4) enfants des rues, qui devraient se poster dans les parages du parquet, dont le signe apparent serait un bonnet de la couleur du bicolore. Ils avaient pour mission de faire semblant d'essuyer la voiture de André APAID, Jr. et de lui tirer dessus.
DEROULEMENT DE LA MISSION
Le 25 juillet 2003, je me tenais en civil à Lalue, dans la zone de la Promobank, sur la route que le Coordonnateur devait emprunter pour se rendre au Parquet. Le policier Jean Musset ELVARISTE aussi en civil et l'autre individu étaient positionnés un peu plus loin, au niveau du signal lumineux. Sur la fréquence de ma radio, j'ai suivi les conversations concernant les déplacements de la cible. J'ai aussi entendu une voix suggérer d'envoyer Paul RAYMOND ou René CIVIL accomplir la mission mais, une autre a décliné, arguant que ces derniers étaient trop reconnaissables. Une voiture poursuivait le véhicule du Coordonnateur du Groupe des 184 et les occupants donnaient tout le long de la route, les détails concernant les faits et gestes de la cible. Au bout de quelques minutes, mes deux accompagnateurs m'ont désigné une voiture comme étant celle de la cible. Je me suis effectivement rendu compte qu'il s'agissait du véhicule de André APAID, Jr, mais, je leur ai répondu qu'ils se trompaient arguant que la voiture qui s'amenait était celle du responsable de la Chambre du Commerce. Face à leur insistance, je leur ai proposé de nous rendre au Parquet, vérifier qu'il s'agissait vraiment du Coordonnateur du Groupe des 184.
Arrivés au Parquet, comme responsable adjoint de GIDO, j'ai conseillé aux policiers en poste de faire déplacer tous ceux qui se trouvaient dans les environs. J'en ai profité pour vérifier la présence des quatre (4) jeunes préalablement mentionnés par Jean Claude JEAN-BAPTISTE. Au lieu de quatre (4), je n'en ai remarqué que deux (2), un peu suspects et qui portaient le bonnet et des boucles d'oreilles. Je suggérai à mes collègues policiers de ne laisser personne s'approcher de la voiture de André APAID, Jr. Par la suite, Jean Musset ELVARISTE et l'autre individu m'ont fait remarquer qu'ils ne s'étaient pas trompés et que c'était bien le Coordonnateur du Groupe des 184. Ma réponse fut que je ne le connaissais pas. Jean Claude JEAN-BAPTISTE a été informé de l'échec de la mission. Il m'a appelé pour me reprocher de n'avoir pas exécuté l'ordre qu'il m'avait donné. Je lui ai répondu que je ne connaissais pas la cible. Depuis lors, je suis considéré comme un opposant au pouvoir lavalas qui cherche à tout prix à m'abattre.
Je veux signaler à l'intention de tous, qu'en 1995, lorsque j'entrai dans la Police Nationale d'Haïti, je brûlais du désir de servir mon pays en toute honnêteté. Malheureusement, cette institution s'est déviée de la mission qu'elle s'était fixée. Elle est aujourd'hui, synonyme d'un réseau de malfaiteurs, de voleurs, de kidnappeurs, de dealers de drogue. La police est aussi corrompue que politisée et placée au service d'un seul homme, le Président de la République.
Point n'est besoin de passer par l'Académie de Police pour devenir policier; il suffit d'être partisan du pouvoir ou mieux, membres zélés d'Organisations Populaires pro lavalas.
L'infime minorité de policiers sérieux qui prêtent encore leur service à la Police Nationale d'Haïti ne sont pas dans les postes de commande. Ils sont éparpillés dans les endroits les plus reculés du pays.
Les promotions sont octroyées au mépris des lois régissant l'institution. Des gens sont promus commissaires, inspecteurs sans aucune formation policière.
Sur ces entrefaites, j'ai décidé de rendre un dernier service à la Nation et, le plus noble cadeau que je puisse lui offrir est de me soustraire de la Police Nationale d'Haïti pour ne pas/plus être complice, même tacite, des basses oeuvres qui se commettent au vu et au su de tous par ceux-là mêmes qui sont appelés à protéger et servir. Je me permets d'inviter sous mes camarades, frères policiers qui ont encore une certaine honnêteté, à emboîter le pas, car, c'est aussi une manière de dire NON.
Jules BELIMAIRE
Policier, A3
PierreR Torchenot
Columbia, MD - Wednesday, February 11, 2004 at 12:58:56 (EST)
posted February 11, 2004
Q&A: What's behind the violent uprisings in Haiti?
As a violent uprising in Haiti continues to spread, the country's fragile peace looks as shaky as it has in a decade. Robert Maguire, Director of International Affairs & Haiti Programs at Trinity College in Washington DC, spoke with csmonitor.com's Seth Stern about the situation in Haiti.
What's causing the recent violence? How much is due to anger over the 2000 legislative election which President Jean-Bertrand Aristide's opponents charge was flawed?
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The underlying cause is both economic and political. Politically, it does go back to the 2000 election and the government's inability to address that issue effectively and the opponents' inability to participate. It has created this growing crescendo of political polarization that in the past two months has reached the shouting point of violence and demonstrations in the street.
The economic component is somewhat linked to those 2000 elections. Even before that and surely following that, most bilateral and multilateral assistance was cut off - including by the US. Some $500 million in developmental assistance was withheld and essentially this has been a resource starved government unable to invest in social welfare programs, infrastructure development and any other investments in the hemisphere's poorest country. This has obviously eroded support of the government since people expected it to deliver and it has been unable to accomplish virtually anything
Who is in the opposition to Aristide's rule?
The opposition is multi-faceted. The traditional political opposition which has been intransigently opposed to Aristide since 2000. You have the more elite opposition to Aristide which is led by more traditional elites - people from the business class and intellectuals - which has attracted people from middle and lower middle classes. They are all disaffected by corruption and the inability to meet the nation's needs.
The third component in this opposition, the one gaining headlines, is the violent gangs. These gangs are a very fluid bunch. They can shift alliances pretty easy. They're opportunistic gangs who view politics as a means of survival. Some of them had been affiliated with the government where as others had not. Among the gangs, we are currently seeing a resurgence of organized resistance comprising former Haitian military and paramilitary members.
Is there a danger that former military leaders could seize power?
Not in the immediate future. There is a real danger that whatever public security Haiti does have could erode. A beleaguered, corrupt, and weakened Haitian police force will be unable to withstand opponents who are quite well armed and in many different locations.
Is there any significance that the main site of violence is Gonaives, where a revolt against former dictator Jean-Claude Duvalier began in 1985?
Gonaives has been a hot bed of political action since 1985. I think that what may be even more significant is the existence of gangs there. Some of them were born in the 1985 period. You've had some repeated episodes of violence.
What are Aristide's prospects?
His government has never been unchallenged, but this level of opposition accompanied by violence is the largest challenge his government has experienced since he was sworn in Feb. 2001 to a second term. I believe he is intent on hanging on and I believe that up until now he had the support of the principal international actors who continue to recognize his legitimacy. We should watch whether the Haitian government will appeal to the Organization of American States, since they are now characterizing the violence as an attempted coup d etat.
What are the prospects for a peaceful resolution?
The interesting question is how will the nonviolent opposition will respond to the increasing violence and chaos being done in their name. I haven't seen much of a response yet. There is a tendency in Haitian politics to step back and let violence spin out if you perceive it will help you meet your goals. That's why it's going to be very important to see what the opposition does - whether violence could push them to try to mediate a solution with Aristide.
Elle
- Wednesday, February 11, 2004 at 12:14:02 (EST)
Mobutoo,
Believe it or not, I would like to see an end to the current situation; but make no mistake about it, Lavalasse and the Opposition "almost" can no longer coexist peacefully. One has to go. These groups have created so much hatred and distrust for each other that any tentative coexistence will be fruitless. That is my opinion.
Anonym
MD - Wednesday, February 11, 2004 at 12:09:51 (EST)
"Si de 1991 à 1994, les forces de terreur ont fait plus de 5000 morts pour tenter de réussir leurs coups, que feront-elles des plus d'un million de citoyens qui sont descendus dans les rues samedi pour réaffirmer leur vonlonté de vivre dans une société démocratique où le pouvoir s'acquiert par les élections"
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- Wednesday, February 11, 2004 at 11:27:29 (EST)
Recent Events in Haitian History
Tue Feb 10,12:58 PM ET
By The Associated Press
Recent events in Haitian history:
Dec. 16, 1990 — Jean-Bertrand Aristide, then a Roman Catholic priest popular among the urban poor, becomes Haiti's first democratically elected president after nearly 30 years of dictatorship under the Duvalier family.
Sept. 30, 1991 — The army overthrows Aristide's government, forcing the president into exile in the United States.
Sept. 19, 1994 — U.S. troops intervene to restore Aristide to power.
Feb. 6, 1995 — Aristide disbands the Haitian army and replaces it with a civilian police force.
Dec. 23, 1995 — Rene Preval, Aristide's protege, elected president. Term limit prohibits Aristide from running.
May 21, 2000 — Aristide's Lavalas Family party sweeps legislative elections that observers say were flawed. The international community puts millions in foreign aid on hold until results are revised.
Nov. 26, 2000 — Aristide wins a second term as president in elections boycotted by major opposition parties who claimed fraud in the legislative elections.
Feb. 7, 2001 — Aristide takes office for his second term.
Dec. 17, 2001 — Gunmen raid the national palace in what the government calls a coup attempt. Opponents say the government staged the attack to distract attention from its shortcomings.
December 2001 — Fearing a mass exodus of Haitian boatpeople, the Bush administration makes a secret decision to keep Haitian asylum seekers jailed until their cases are decided.
July 2002 — Government-endorsed cooperative banks collapse across Haiti, losing the life savings of thousands, amid allegations the accounts were used to launder drug money. Violent protests ensue and more Haitians try to reach U.S. shores.
Oct. 29, 2002 — More than 200 illegal Haitian migrants jump overboard and rush onto a major Miami highway, bringing attention to the plight of a people desperate to escape the unending violence created by Haiti's politics and poverty.
April 3, 2003 — Aristide's government officially sanctions Voodoo as a religion, allowing practitioners to begin performing ceremonies from baptisms to marriages.
September 2003 — A wave of protests begin against Aristide, spreading across the country. Dozens are killed and injured in clashes between police and government opponents.
Feb. 5, 2004 — Armed rebels seize control of Gonaives, Haiti's fourth-largest city, starting a popular uprising that threatens Aristide's presidency.
Mirna
- Wednesday, February 11, 2004 at 10:27:58 (EST)
POUKI SA?
Pouki sa te fèt Ayisyen?
Pouki sa mwen pòv
Pouki sa lè manmanm te pousém
Bondié pat pété fièl mwen
paské sa ki anba tè pi bien
pasé maléré nan péyim.
Lè zòt mouri
Tout dwa de lòm kampé
lè sé pòv ki mouri
menm chen pa souké ké bali..
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- Wednesday, February 11, 2004 at 09:37:37 (EST)
(CBS/AP) A popular uprising in Haiti spread on Monday with anti-government rebels taking control of at least eight towns in western Haiti.
At least 46 people have been killed since armed opponents of President Jean-Bertrand Aristide began their assault Thursday, setting police stations on fire and driving officers from the northwestern city of Gonaives and several smaller nearby towns.
"We are in a situation of armed popular insurrection," said opposition politician and former coup leader, former army Col. Himler Rebu.
Hundreds of Haitians looted TV sets, mattresses and sacks of flour from shipping containers Sunday in St. Marc, one of several communities seized by rebels in a bloody uprising against Aristide.
Using felled trees, flaming tires and car chassis, residents blocked streets throughout St. Marc on Sunday, one day after militants drove out police in gunbattles that killed two people. Many residents have formed neighborhood groups to back insurgents in their push to expel the president.
Anger has been brewing in Haiti since Aristide's party won flawed legislative elections in 2000. The opposition and foreign governments, including the United States, accused the party of changing the way votes were tabulated to allow a handful of their candidate into the national legislature.
The opposition refuses to join in any new vote unless the president resigns; he insists on serving out his term, ending in 2006.
The situation has worsened since the United States blocked aid to impoverished Haiti from multinational organizations. At least $145 million has been delayed.
Clashes between government opponents, police and Aristide supporters have killed at least 97 people since mid-September.
In a recent statement, the U.S. Embassy in Haiti blamed violence not on Aristide's opponents, but on allies of the president.
On Jan. 30, the Embassy announced the departure of nonessential staff and dependents.
"Haiti's security environment has been deteriorating as President Aristide has continued to politicize the Haitian National Police and used government resources to pay for violent gangs to attack opposition demonstrators," the Embassy said.
The statement warned Americans to "defer travel to Haiti," and said the unrest had closed U.S. diplomatic offices several times.
In the bloodiest fights of recent days, 150 police tried to retake control of Gonaives on Saturday but left hours later after a series of gunbattles, witnesses said. At least nine people were killed, seven of them police, in gunbattles with rebels hiding on side streets and crouched in doorways.
Crowds mutilated and beat the corpses of three police officers. One body was dragged through the street as a man swung at it with a machete, and a woman cut off the officer's ear. Another policeman was lynched and stripped to his shorts, and residents dropped large rocks on his body.
Haitian radio stations reported claims by other rebels that as many as 14 police were killed in Gonaives on Saturday, but that couldn't be confirmed.
Meanwhile, before dawn Sunday an unidentified group of arsonists torched a two-story building in northern Cap-Haitien housing the studio of Radio Vision 2000, destroying it, the independent Haitian broadcaster said.
Rebels continued to rule the streets of Gonaives on Sunday, witnesses said, though it was unclear how many armed militants were the city of 200,000.
Calling the violence acts of terrorism, the government has vowed to regain control of the area, but it was unclear when police planned to return.
Police have deserted at least six other nearby towns, including Ennery, Gros Morne, L'Estere, Anse Rouge, Petite Riviere de l'Artibonite and Trou du Nord, according to the Haitian Press Network, a local news service.
Attackers set fire to the police stations of Gonaives, St. Marc and Trou du Nord. In St. Marc, the courthouse also was gutted by flames.
One 22-year-old bystander in St. Marc, David Saint-Louis, was wounded by a gunshot in the chest Sunday and said it was a police officer — in civilian clothing but wearing a badge — who fired at him near a barricade.
A number of people in both Gonaives and St. Marc said they formed neighborhood committees to aid the militants and keep watch over their areas.
The recent violence started Thursday when members of the Gonaives Resistance Front, took control of the Gonaives police station during a five-hour gunbattle. They set fire to buildings — including the mayor's house — and freed more than 100 prisoners from the city jail. Those clashes left at least seven dead and 20 injured.
The Gonaives Resistance Front used to be allied with Aristide. But it turned against him last year and changed its name from the "Cannibal Army," accusing the government of killing its leader Amiot Metayer to keep him from releasing damaging information about Aristide. The government denies it.
Some gunmen in Gonaives wore the camouflage pants and helmets of Haiti's disbanded army. The army ousted Aristide in 1991 during his first term. He was restored in a 1994 U.S. invasion and then disbanded the army, replacing it with a new civilian police force.
©MMIV, CBS Broadcasting Inc. All Rights Reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed. The Associated Press contributed to this report.
I extracted this part from the above article as reported by CBS:
"The Gonaives Resistance Front used to be allied with Aristide. But it turned against him last year and changed its name from the "Cannibal Army," accusing the government of killing its leader Amiot Metayer to keep him from releasing damaging information about Aristide. The government denies it."
Let the above statement be a reiteration that the current violence is NOT a product of the Opposition and the peaceful demontrators. These folks are actually products of Aristide who are out to avenge their slain leader. In fact, what we are witnessing in Haiti today is what used to be done to folks who spoke against Aristide.
The current violence is a personal issue between Aristide and his creation. They are implicating Apaid and the Opposition as a mean to divert attention from the real responsible party. We are smarter than that people folks, we have the ability to decipher this plot.
All this could be resolve if Aristide resigns. The Canibal Army will not go anywhere.
Violence is not being advocated here. Aristide needs to take responsility and act accordingly.
Pierre R Toechenot
Columbia, MD - Wednesday, February 11, 2004 at 09:24:04 (EST)
I am glad there are some people who want a peaceful end to the situation in Haiti. Not because they are for Aristide but because they know violence is not the answer and will never be....Democracy takes time, eventually it will get much better. Let Aristide do his time unless he can be recalled legally/peacefully.
Mobutoo
Stafford, VA - Wednesday, February 11, 2004 at 08:42:15 (EST)
Louverture,
St Jean L'evangeliste is located in Turgeau. Not too far from Canado and Roger Anglade. In 1985 I was in moyen 2. I had several teachers: The imfoumous Boucan, Simon Seide, Junot, Pinchinat, moise,Blo. Max Dejean was second in command after Bernard, then Pelchard.
email me your name.
Pierre R Torchenot <pierretorchenot@hotmail.com>
Columbia, MD - Tuesday, February 10, 2004 at 22:21:12 (EST)
PR
Who was your teacher in St Jean Evangelist. Where is that school located? What grade were you in in 1985?
I was a student there and I do not remember your name
Peace
Louverture
Baltimore, MD - Tuesday, February 10, 2004 at 21:52:08 (EST)
As I look at the bodies of the police officers in Haiti. Some mutilated by the people that call themselves liberators, I wonder what are we in this world. Are we citizen of the world or are we still a bunch of backward people who knows nothing but violence. Indeed it is a sad day to be Haitian. Somehow we never learn. If one don't get all he ask for in Haiti, then he raise a so call resistance Army and start dealing with force. It doesn't matter who he finds in the street, he kills. Are Haitian blood water that one can just spill without remorse. Can we justify the killing of those that are supposed to protect us in uniform? Please tell me you who dare to justify all this Hate. Please tell me who fail to come together with a solution but instead wish to take arm. Perhaps I am dull and uneducated and ill-informed.we fought each other. My brother was a noble officer in the Former Leopard-the Elite Haitian at the time. He never lay hand on a soul. But How sad to see Haitian-My people killing each other while men of power-Oppossition or Lavalas can stand and do nothing. Even the world especially the Bushes were so critical of Aristide that I am sure did not help the situation. As always it is always one side they place the blame. Even after the bodies of innocent men in uniform were terribly treated by the Men who used to called themselves the carnibal Army, the Bushes said nothing. Is this Freedom? Freedom to kill who ever you oppose? When these men call the Cannibals were on the side of Aristide, they were always condemned as thugs. They were criminals. But now they switch loyalty, they are call rebels or liberators and the killing innocent people is justify. Did they stop being criminals because they switch loyalty or their names? Please.
I am sure that Haitians do not agree with Aristide. He never did much but he was never given a chance by the opposition that only want Power for themselves and their rich friends. Is it how we plan for the rest of our days on this earth as a people:{ using violence overtime someone fail to bring change quicker than we want-Like Magic? Are we going to DEJOUKE every president during half of his term overtime an opposition that cannot win in election, but must use violence to get his ways? With or without Aristide, the country must live. I am a Haitian. Yes, Jewish, but I still love my country. I am ready to defend her. I am ready to defend her like I would defend the state of Israel. She is precious to me. It s a great shame to see my brothers killing themselves and doing all this cannibal things to bodies of others. I hated the Duvalier regime but sometimes, I wonder if Haitian only can walk straight only when their freedom is restricted or with a BATON in their asses. It would be sad to think so but it seem that the only people we respect are those that always tell us what to do when pointing the gun in our heads. It is a sad moment for Haiti and for hers sons and daughters that live in the Diaspora. How can we say we are Haitians while our people behave like half humans who cut the ears of their Brother enemies?
Good or bad, Aristide did not destroy Haiti. Haitian as been raping the country for such a long time. The bourgeois and the Elite of Haiti always add oil to the fire. They send their sons to French universities and American Universities while the poor is naked and cannot send his to school because if the do wish to go to school, then they are for the government and can be shot. Since when children must be held prisoners in their own houses and deny a chance to lead, Please tell me where are the men of peace? Where are the men of Human rights? Are they former Duvalierist and opportunist with mask of democracy and peace? Where are the ones that should be condemning all violence and say stop? I guess that makes me with Aristide and an enemy of my own mother Haiti now since I say that violence is not the answer. If it should be let Aristide supporters arm themselves and start a show down. They let us have a bloody civil war. Then let us kill each other like beasts that we are until one side win. They let us then eat each others bodies out of anger. Then let the winner rule and make slaves of his brothers. YES, I SAY IT. I AM tired of you Idiots making hard for me to visit the home I once love as a child. Yes, if it is violence that we know and love and cherish then find DESTROY DESTROY mother Haiti. Bleed her to death! Go head you cannibals. Go head RAPE RAPE your sisters and make orphans out of poor children. GO head place a gun in their hands and say that you are liberators. GO HEAD YOU {EDITED BY WEBMASTER} KILL KILL KILL. KILL YOU HALF HUMAN who cares nothing for your people or your country. GO head the white world is watching and encouraging you to kill your brothers while they preserve theirs. Does the blood of your dying brother taste sweet? It must be since you seem to be enjoying his dead body. I am angry because My brother and I, although we share different views and different political parties, we will never raise a finger for the sake of that party or those GRAN NEE who cares nothing for us. Most of my friends to share different views but they will never kill another over political ideas. W
What kind of a nation are we? After Aristide another will come a robed us blind. doesn't every Haitian have the right to express himself freely? Who shall you follow a leader that call unity for all Haitians or another that say that I will not speak to this man because he won't allow me to do as I wish-therefore, COUPE TETE BOLE KAY. How long have we been burning and destroying. It gets us no where
Men in Uniform
- Tuesday, February 10, 2004 at 20:48:25 (EST)
Ayiti, just as I've told mapswiv, our point of views will never cross at any point because our beliefs differ so much. My point for the discussions is simply to express my personal opinion, not to express the views of the opposition, and certainly not to fight with you. You and many others on the other hand, are dirven by fanaticism. Mr Apaid could be standing right next to me this very moment, I would not know who he is.
Apaid is not Aristide opposing counterpart. Apaid holds no official position in Haiti. His name seems to be a way to divert attention from the man who is responsible for Haiti's highest office.
I find a serious irony in the notion that Aristide want the Haitian people to adopt a "democratic" process to resolve their affairs. When did Aristide implement any educational means of democracy?
Ayiti, to put this rest, let time unfold this story.
Map Swiv, you are completely neurotic.
I have three words for you: extra strengh prozac.
Pierre R Torchenot
Columbia, MD - Tuesday, February 10, 2004 at 20:36:08 (EST)
Ayiti, just as I've told mapswiv, our point of views will never cross at any point because our beliefs differ so much. My point for the discussions is simply to express my personal opinion, not to express the views of the opposition, and certainly not to fight with you. You and many others on the other hand, are dirven by fanaticism. Mr Apaid could be standing right next to me this very moment, I would know who he is.
Apaid is not Aristide opposing counterpart. Apaid holds no official position in Haiti. His name seems to be a way to divert attention from the man who is responsible for Haiti's highest office.
I find a serious irony in the notion that Aristide want the Haitian people to adopt a "democratic" process to resolve their affairs. When did Aristide implement any educational means of democracy?
Ayiti, to put this rest, let time unfold this story.
Map Swiv, you are completely neurotic.
I have three words for you: extra strengh prozac.
Pierre R Torchenot
Columbia, MD - Tuesday, February 10, 2004 at 20:34:47 (EST)
Love F M P tell me are you still having the march,or is there a change of plan. yes,no,later,never...
My feeling is that if you have a march today, it will turn into a {for or against} Titid march ,while I know that this is not your idea of a march.
So what's the scoop sista.
Pwazon
Silver Spring, Md - Tuesday, February 10, 2004 at 19:38:07 (EST)
PR, looks like I'm not the only one "having a moment." You are trying to make yourself, as well as other people, believe that you and the opposition know what's better for Haiti, better than mass of the people.
That my friend is elitist thinking, which is an unfortunate but destructive part of the Haitian culture.
map swiv
- Tuesday, February 10, 2004 at 18:19:44 (EST)
Pierre,
No, The Haitian people have not spoken. Many Haitians are not happy with Aistide.But, it's 8 million of them.He is till putting more people on the streets than the oposition has done. You say that Aristide has no plans. Neither do Apaid and anyone else in the oppositon.instead of talking for the Haitian people(you are not their spokesperson), encourage Apaid to participate in the elections so that we can know what the Haitian people really want. Do not make any excuses!
let's be honest. If you want to talk about Aristide chimeres, talk also about Apaid Chimere who are killing people now. if you deny that Apaid has chimeres, then you have no proof that Aristide has chimeres.
If you are referring to Aristide as a pimp, so is Apaid and company. I will continue showing your bias coupled with some arrogance in this struggle.
You are right: The struggle is bigger than both you and I. That's why I am fighting against your ideas. They are dangerous.Some will say any lie to prove a point. I wiill reiterate that There is no proof that the Haitian people want Aristide to go. Elections(which some of us do not like) must be the means through wich we change our leaders. I shall support anone who is democratically elected by the people.
Ayiti
- Tuesday, February 10, 2004 at 18:02:07 (EST)
keep ofooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
polomugu <mugu@mugu.com>
lome, togo - Tuesday, February 10, 2004 at 14:49:27 (EST)
La NCHR accusée d'avoir reçu du porte-parole de l'opposition aux Gonaïves la liste des partisans Lavalas à exécuter: Pierre Espérance dément
Port-au-Prince, 10 février 2004 - La coalition nationale pour les droits des haïtiens NCHR a été accusée mardi d'avoir reçu bien avant les derniers evénements meurtriers des Gonaïves copie d'une liste des partisans du parti Lavalas qui devraient être tués ou dont le doomcille devrai être incendié.
Cette liste aurait été dressée par le porte-parole de l'opposition aux Gonaïves, Winter Etienne qui dirige avec le repris de justce Jean attoune et les només Winter Etiene et Ti Will la branche locale de l'oppposition, a indiqué le journaliste Jean laurent Nelson qui est orriginaire des Gonaïves.
Selon le journaliste qui intervenait dans le journal de 8:30 de la station privée, Radio Solidarité, les résidences de la plapart des citoyens dont les noms figurent sur cette liste ont dejà eté brûlés.
Prenant la parole dans ce même journal, le responsable de la NCH, Pierre Espérance, a nié avoir reçu cette liste, tout en disant condamner toutes les formes de violence.
Pierre Espeance a également pris la défense de la platefome politique des 184 qui ne serait pas impliquée, selon lui, dans les violences commises par ses partisans dans la Cité de l'indépendance.
Selon le responsable de la NCHR, la plateforme n'aurait rien à voir avec la bande au repris de justice, Jean Tatoune.
Toutefois, les déclaratios de M. Espérance sont en nette contradiction avec celles faites récemenn par des respponsabble de l'oposition dont Evans Paul, Victor Benoit et Hervé Saintilus qui avaient soit soutenu les actions de la branche locale de l'oppositionn ou appelé à la révolte générale pour tenter le renversement des autorités constitutionelles.
Lors de leurs récentes manifestatiions devant la faculté ds sciences humaines ou ailleurs, les partisans de la plateforme ont appelé Butter Métayer, Winter Etienne et Jean Tatoune à leur venir en aide à Port-au-Prince.
Pour sa part, le responsable de la fondation 30 septembre, Lovinski Pierre-Antoine, accusé la NCHR de se comporter davantage comme membre de la plateforme polttique des 184 que comme organnisaton de droits de l''homme.
Selon M. Pierre Antoine, cette oganisaton se fait un point d'honneur à dénoncer les moindres écarts commis par des miltants lavalas mais à occulter les atrocités les plus graves perpétrées par l'opposition.
Il a égalemennt dénoncé la présence la semaine dernière d'un responsable de la NCHR aux côtes des plus hautes autorités de la plateforme de l'opposition au moment d'une tentative d'enlèvement à l'Hopital du Canapé-Vert, du cadavre d'un miltant lavalas, Lionel Victor, qu'ils voulaient faire passer pour un étudiant de l'opposition.
Le responsable de la Fondation 30 septembre a fait savoir qu'il est trop tard pour les responsable des 184 de se démarquer des actes de terrorisme commis par leurs alliiés aux Gonaïves.
" C'est ce à quoi ils voulaient arriver après leur rejet de toutes les propositions de sorrtie pacifique de la crise, a-il encore fait savoir.
Pierre Filsaimé
Orlando, FL - Tuesday, February 10, 2004 at 13:31:36 (EST)
Just a reminder: The BIG "Media" in Haiti Metropole, Vision 2000, Galaxi, Ajh are members of the 184 so they become the porte parole of the opozisyon.
Haiti
- Tuesday, February 10, 2004 at 13:22:47 (EST)
PR, I am taking your word when you said that the students protests were peaceful and that the policy shot at them. It is just sometimes I read on this board or yahoo etc that the protesters or some people within their group shot at the police. News reports coming from Haiti's media are usually 90% rumors and 10% truth.
Mobutoo
Stafford, VA - Tuesday, February 10, 2004 at 11:36:32 (EST)
Que fit Haiti Depuis le départ de Duvalier en1986?
Il en rit, N'en fit rien, se régala, manigança jusqu'en Avril, ne pouvant se rendre plus prospère, lava lassement ses mains, il se heurta la tëte jusqu'a ce qu'il ait la trouille au point que n'ayant pu se prévaloir de ses droits de citoyens. demande le retour du père qui se dit prët a ramener le pays a 1803, bataille aux Gonaives, mort de Métayer et retour de l'esclavage.
Un jour le pays pourra célébrer son indépendance.
orlando
- Tuesday, February 10, 2004 at 11:17:58 (EST)
Mobutoo, Who is using force? Students organized peaceful protests to voice their disatisfaction with the goevernment,The police threw rocks at them, shoot at them. This is not the original phase in wich the protest surfaced, this is the end result of police brutality. This is fruit that the Lavalas tree bears. The current Metayer who is at the head the uprising in Gonaives is the brother of the late Amiot who EVERYBODY knows was the ganster partisant of Aristide. Metayer is Aristide's product, it just the chicken returning home.
Pierre R Torchenot
Columbia, MD - Tuesday, February 10, 2004 at 10:00:03 (EST)
Ayiti,
In 1985 I was a small school boy at St Jean L'evangeliste, along with millions of others accross the country, we were the future of Haiti. Many of us found ourselves needing to leave the country because it was progressively getting worst, but hoping to return and contribute to our nuturing land. The Lavalas idea immerged from the uprising and quickly establish itself as the people's choice. At the time, the message seemed to be from heaven via the Catholic Church as the "delivering" company and Aristide was the "UPS" man. His message called for social justice for the overwhelming majority of the people. Aristide popularity among the mass was unquestionably great; one of the reasons for that was he could easily gotten lost in the crowd, he was really one of them. As time progressed, many detected Aristide message suffered from bipolarity, on one hand he called for love and the other hand he called for the opposing end. Any good doctor could have easily given a progonsis on his ailment. Lavalas had no good agenda,no real solutions for Haiti. Lavalas was conceived in bitterness . Years have passed, Aristide has gotten richer and the mass has gotten poorer. Capitalism replaced the "La famille c'est la vie" message. He is longer part of the mass, he will no longer be lost in the crowd.
Ayiti, I don't think Apaid has to prove the discontentment of the people with Aristide by entering the elections, it is unequivocally clear that Haitians are sick of him. Don't confuse the Chimere actions as support for Aristide, it just a job for them, just as it was for the "di riz ak chou" folks under Cedras. Aristide and his supporters tend to resort to "democracy" as a shelter and to buy time. Since when was Lavalas was so democratic? In a democracy the voice of the people is dictading force; the people have spoken: no more Aristide. Richard Nixon had to step down when the environment call for his resignation, why can't Aristide answer his call? Does he hold some type of patent or does he know of a loophole which excludes him from this democratic process?
Haiti is bigger than any one man, be it Aristide, Apaid, you or I. It the for the greater good. We are not interested in "internet pimp,' poetic pimp" just "poetic justice" if you will.
Pierre Torchenot
Columbia , MD - Tuesday, February 10, 2004 at 09:44:09 (EST)
PR, I am disapponted with the current Administration in Haiti also but there are rules of laws and principles to follow. I do not mind peaceful protest/demonstration to force him to resign (not exile) but why use "FORCE". Unless the opposition can provide concrete evidence, not the bogus evidence for U.S/Iraq war or in Haiti where rumors became facts, he should complete his term. Many of us are not satisfied with the current U.S. president but we are waiting for November's election. Why not the same thinking for Haiti? I know some people will say Haiti & U.S is not the same. Well, it will not be the same as long as we choose to act or think differently of Haiti. I personally would like to see another election in Haiti where the people get to choose again their next president. Otherwise everytime a group is not satisfied with the government in power, they will use force. We've got to break out of that cycle even if it is painful.
Mobutoo
Stafford, VA - Tuesday, February 10, 2004 at 09:22:46 (EST)
Pierre,
The Haitian people did not vote for Aristide because they were ignorant.They voted for him because most of them embraced his call for social justice,economic development that benefits everyone. Today,if he has not delivered, it is up to the people to choose their leaders through democratic means. Not through the guns of some criminals with the blessings of a corrupt elite which is more interested in financing coup d'etat. I wish Andre Apaid and company were as brave as Aristide when the latter participated in elections during a period of insecurity.I wish Apaid would participate in elections so that he can show that the Haitian people no longer support Aristide. That will put an end to speaking for the nation. Let the peole choose their own leader! Unfortunately,Apaid and company are afraid of Aristide's popularity. That's the true reason why they are so much against elections.They chose armed rebellion.It is the Haitian people' right to choose a "poetic pimp". It is certainly anybody's right to prefer an elitist pimp, an internet pimp,a rich pimp, a pimp who has abused his workers, a dull pimp...The Haitian people are not ignorant. They are smarter than many of us who had the priviledge of formal education. As a Haitian doctor states,"to many of us, school did us more harm than good" To put it simply, there is nothing worse than an educated fool!
I have suffered too much untruth,non-sense in this wonderful sharing of ideas. I intend to continue this exchange. It is a battle of ideas which I embrace!
Ayiti
- Tuesday, February 10, 2004 at 00:41:23 (EST)
Nan Samdi ki té 7 Fevrié demilkat la, Popilasyon wan renouvlé volonté yo pou fè respekté manda konstitisyonèl Ke yo te plasé nan men prezidan nasyon wan, plis ke twasan mil moun ki sòti nan tout kouch sosyal péyi ya te manifésté nan pòtoprins Daprè chanel panyòl UniVision...Tèt foul la té devan simitiè Petion Ville print ke foul la te apèn ap kité kafou ayéoPò, Sa vlé alé pou vini Opozisyon wan pa gen lòt chwa ke pou yo négosié al pouvwa an plas la...Padan foul la tap recklé 5an Aristide la yo tap di tou ke yo prè pou goumen si chèf la ba yo siyal
ekzakteman
- Monday, February 09, 2004 at 21:54:49 (EST)
Ladies and Gents, Mapswiv is having a moment. Please be understanding, it's his time of the month.
Pierre r Torchenot
Columbia , MD - Monday, February 09, 2004 at 21:42:58 (EST)
rhetoric, rhetoric, rhetoric
bull sht, bull sht, bull sht...
map swiv
- Monday, February 09, 2004 at 20:57:48 (EST)
Mobutoo, the end of Lavalas is an idea whose time has come! 18 years ago this month, Aristide immerged from the uprising that is similar to the one that now imminent. Then, there was a strange smell in the air much like the one that has been in the Haitian horizon for the past year or so. It's like pheromone, an aroma release from a female calling for male partners. He's about to suffer a similar outcome as the Duvalier regime suffered 18 years ago this month.
It's time for a fresh idea, one that is not opportunistic in nature as this current one. Haitians fell for Aristide misadventure because they were on the rebound from a 30 year relationship. He capitalized from their vulnerability and their ignorance with a series hypnotic speeches. I truly believe that Haitians are wiser now than they were 18 years ago thus will not fall for another poetic pimp!
Pierre R Torchenot
Columbia, MD - Monday, February 09, 2004 at 20:31:59 (EST)
Oui JCV on me l'a dit aussi que tu as fait venir some good looking boys/man direct from Haiti pour ce nouveau group.
Pouquoi tu ne fais pas un petit show pour les presenter a la communaute.
Moin pa ka tan Avril non
Josie
Bethesda, Md - Monday, February 09, 2004 at 20:20:21 (EST)
You are so right,I did made a mistake and I apologize.
The actual date is Sunday February the 15th.
Los arrieros is located at 7926 Georgia Ave Silver Spring Md-between Eastern ave and East West Highway.
Doors open at 6pm showtime 7pm
Remember you can see a preview of the movie on Haiti A Suivre
Tonight on ch 19 at 9pm in mont co.
TU at 10pm on ch 76 in PG
TH at 10PM on ch 13in MC
FR at 5:30pm on ch 19 in MC
SA at 4 & 10pm on ch 13 in MC
SU at 9am on ch 13 in MC
TRANKILL the new band is really working hard to bring you the best konpa ever in the DC area.
Look out for them in April
The friends who attend the band practice are really amazed of what they see and hear
Be ready to party.
Jean Claude Vivens <jcvivens@mris.com>
Wheaton, MD - Monday, February 09, 2004 at 17:29:11 (EST)
With all the talk that we've done here on the board, NONE of us will go back to participate and put our lives on the line for either side.
We will sit and watch and listen, and do more talking s$*%^*$&t. When things calm down, we will go back with our American dollars and enjoy ourselves and pity the poor, poor little Haiti.
(please do not respond, if you do not understand the word SARCASM)
map swiv
- Monday, February 09, 2004 at 16:17:17 (EST)
Apparently, some people are trying to remove Aristide by force. We had different views on this board for the past weeks. Is that really what is needed? What is next? Is there a leader or is it going to be an all out fight?
Mobutoo
Stafford, VA - Monday, February 09, 2004 at 16:00:53 (EST)
I have a question.
What is the exact date for the movie " I love YOU ANNE"
I saw a post for saturday the 15th of febuary.
I would like to know if its saturday 14th or sunday the 15th of febuary?
Maestro a
Maestro a <cedou18@hotmail.com>
temple hills, MD - Monday, February 09, 2004 at 10:32:44 (EST)
Gonaïves: plusieurs morts ce samedi dont un policier et des membres du groupe armé de la la plateforme politique de l'opposittion
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Port-au-Prince, 7 février 2004 - Le porte-parole de la police nationale d'Haïti,(PNH), Jean Bruce Myrthil a fait savoir samedi soir que le policier Douken Gustinvil, a été tué et plusieurs autres blessés aux Gonaïves au moment d'une opération visant à neutraliser des membres armés de l'opposition qui sèment la terreur depuis jeudi dans la quatrième ville du pays.
Les membres armés de la coalion politique de l'opposition conduits par le repris de justice, Jean Pierre dit Jean Tatoune, ont également subi des pertes, a-t-il fait savoir.
M Myrthil a souligné que des policiers et des membres de la population civile avaient déjà été tués jeudi lors de l'attaque à l'arme lourde de l'opposition. qui avaient également incendié le commissariat de police et des résidences privées de partisans du parti au pouvoir.
Le policier tué lors de l'opération de ce samedi est un membre du corps spécialisé Swat Team, a fait savoir M Myrthil, à l'issue d'une rencontre du Connseil supérieuur de la PNH.
Douken Gustinvil a trouvé la mort au moment où les membres de la police observaient un repli suite à l'utiliisattion par les 'terroistes" de membres de la population comme boucliers humaiins. Les policiers avaient pris cette décision pour éviter de causer d'innocentes victimes , a ajouté le porte-parole.
Il assuré que la police fera tout ce qui est en son pouvoir pour arriver à bout des terroristes qui sèment lle deuil dans la cité de l'Indépendance.
Aucune allusion n'a été faite au bilan de 14 policiers tués véhiculés par des radios de Port-au-Prince.
Des membres de la population des Gonaïves avaient déploré un peu plus tôt samedi la "guerre psychologique" entretennue ont-ils dit, sur la situation des Gonaïves au moment où des centaines de milliers de partisans du présidennt Arisiide manifestaient à Port-au-Prince en faveur de la paix et du respect du mandat du chef de l'Etat.
AHP 7 février 2004 12:00 PM
Haiti
- Sunday, February 08, 2004 at 15:55:12 (EST)
World - Reuters
14 Police Slain in Haiti Shootout, Rebels Say
Sat Feb 7, 4:51 PM ET Add World - Reuters to My Yahoo!
PORT-AU-PRINCE, Haiti (Reuters) - Rebels said they killed 14 policemen on Saturday in a shootout with the authorities who tried to retake control of Haiti's fourth largest city from an anti-government group, the rebels told local radio stations.
AP Photo
Slideshow: Haiti Uprising
Journalists at the scene said the firefight erupted when a police caravan tried to enter Gonaives to take it back from an armed band that took control of the city on Friday and is demanding that embattled President Jean-Bertrand Aristide quit.
Local radio reports quoted rebels as saying 14 policemen were killed in the fighting with members of the Front for Aristide's Departure in the port city about 105 miles from the capital, Port-au-Prince.
It was not immediately possible to confirm the death toll, and there were no reports of rebel casualties.
There were conflicting reports over which side controlled Gonaives.
The crisis in Gonaives has come on top of months of sometimes violent demonstrations in Port-au-Prince and other cities in the impoverished Caribbean nation of 8 million people, mostly organized by Aristide opponents calling on him to quit.
The president's political foes accuse him of corruption and mismanagement. But the former Roman Catholic priest, once widely hailed as a leader of the country's fledgling democracy, also now faces a serious threat from armed opponents.
ARISTIDE TALKS TO CROWD
In the capital, Aristide told a crowd in the capital's slum of Cite Soleil that police were entering Gonaives to regain order, and said the government would "disarm the terrorists."
Government spokesman Mario Dupuy said on local radio stations that the police were once again in control of Gonaives. But rebel spokesman Wynter Etienne told radio stations that his forces maintained control.
Gunmen from the Front for Aristide's Departure stormed the Gonaives police station on Thursday and the Red Cross said at least seven people were killed in a shoot-out there. On Friday, the group, whose members number several hundred, burned down the mayor's home and released scores of prisoners.
As police and the front exchanged fire in one part of town on Saturday, thousands of civilians demonstrated in another, calling for Aristide's departure, journalists on the scene said.
Local radio stations reported that the streets of Gonaives were calm at midday and said civilians celebrated as police officers fled the city on foot. Members of the opposition front had barricaded the road out of the city with overturned vehicles, branches and boulders, according to witnesses.
In Port-au-Prince, Aristide was celebrating the third anniversary of his return to power in 2001 after re-election with thousands of supporters, who then marched through the streets proclaiming their support for him.
"This was democracy that we made. It's anarchy that they have made," said Rubens Sofor, one of the hundreds of Aristide supporters filing down winding streets toward the pro-government demonstration.
Gonaives' front, formerly known as the Cannibal Army, had once been a militantly pro-Aristide group, notorious for its attacks on government critics.
But after the murder last September of the gang's leader, which his family accused Aristide of ordering, the group turned violently against the president. Dozens of people have since been killed in violence between the front and the police in recent months.
Gonaives, whose population was estimated at 200,000 before many residents fled the violence last fall, is commonly called the City of Independence, as it was where Haitian independence from France was declared in 1804.
Aristide became Haiti's first democratically elected president in 1991 but was promptly ousted in a military coup. He was returned to Haiti by U.S.-led forces in 1994 and was re-elected in 2000. His once massive support has dwindled in recent years, but he has said he will serve out his term to 2006.
Pierre R Torchenot
Columbia , MD - Saturday, February 07, 2004 at 20:05:11 (EST)
14 morts du côté de la PNH, une femme de 40 ans et un enfant de 7 ans tombés aux abords de l'hôpiltal des Gonaïves. Il se confirme de plus en plus que le commissariat de Saint Marc est en flammes.
3 véhicules bourrés d'hommes en noir seraient en route pour les Gonaïves. Un hélicoptère survole la ville à haute altitude.
Le commissariat de la Petite Rivière de l'artibonite est désert.
La population gonaïvienne ap file manchette yo.
oukwe
- Saturday, February 07, 2004 at 17:36:30 (EST)
xenical
xenical <dietpills4all@yahoo.com>
Miami, Florida - Saturday, February 07, 2004 at 08:46:19 (EST)
I just want to let you know that B.P Production will present the movie I LOVE YOU ANNE Saturday February 15,2004
at LOS ARRIEROS 7926 Georgia Ave Silver Spring MD (Between Eastern Ave & East West Highway)
Doors open at 6 pm --- show time 7 pm ----adm $10.00
you can also see a preview on the movie on Haiti A S UIVRE T.V Show this weekend and next week.
Jean Claude Vivens <jcvivens @mris.com>
Wheaton, MD - Friday, February 06, 2004 at 23:51:52 (EST)
Bon
Ban mesie kap pale'm yo-pierre-richard,anonym,pwason. map fout bwe of kafe ame ak nou kamem. mwen se aktivite grimel mwen map regle nan peyi a. nou pawe MILDWET i mean Mildred, se bel grimel li ye.
tout jwet se jwet retire grimel mwen nan mem pa la dan'l. pierre-richard map sere ou ti grimel si ou sispan imerde'w washington, kounwe ya mem gen ou pwason boudam.
depi de zanne sweet micky lage nan boudan ak canaval di ri, mem diri ya. mewn pa kon afe diri.
anomym vle boykote lajen'm, bon koummem mwen pal kimbe protokol grimel sa'a san lajen. mesie komesse drog la nan mem se vre, mim sekirite ak chime yo pran pi fo. ti ress la pa ampil e famm rouj koute che.
mapswiv, ou fe travay mwen bien. mwen kite ou milatress pou ou. fok ou fe PR woue ke ti famm tet kret gro bouda'w la pa a la mod anko.
eske gen grimel sou ekodhayti.kom? gen kob pou nou tout. tout grimel ap jwenn. grimel yo eske nou remem mak fabriq sa'a? blye bouch mwen, blye je'm, blye tet mwen, eske nou remem'm?
ansam nou
ansam ansam nou se lavalas
aristide
- Friday, February 06, 2004 at 18:28:00 (EST)
Someone please tell me this:
What do you think the U.S govt would call it if a group of armed men were to seize the police headquarter of the 4th largest city in america,kill some people,burn it down and hold at gun point the officials of that police headquarter.
If you say that they would call it a TERRORIST act-your answer is correct.
Imagine Georges Bush- cnn-abc- cbs- nbc etc...
Since it happens in Haiti--now do you think it's just fine.
Some call Aristide a Dictator ,me I call him a softy because to me there is a difference between DEMOCRACY and TERRORIST.
Sé pou gouvenman té mét cran pou vannen vacabon Gonaives
I don't care for Aristide ,I care for order,respect and principles.
How do you think Haitians would have reacted if they were the Democrats who got the 2000 election stolen from them by Georges Bush.
Pa tap guen U.S anco menm jan pa guen Haiti anco a jodi ya.
Sé sa a ki démocracy ya -
Pwazon
Silver Spring, MD - Friday, February 06, 2004 at 17:20:52 (EST)
Map Swiv, I respect your opinions, substantial or not. I was hoping that we could put fanaticism aside and let our faculty to rationally reason take control, so to speak. It interesting that you've found my opinions increasingly unappealing. It's a matter of convenience? Obviously our arguments are on parallel courses and will never converge. For what it worth, we cool. Peace!
Pierre R Torchenot
Columbia, MD - Friday, February 06, 2004 at 15:18:30 (EST)
Hmmmmm. That feels so good Yopran'm.
Mobutoo
Stafford, VA - Friday, February 06, 2004 at 14:56:08 (EST)
... and lets's have a group hugggggggggggggggggggggg.
Have a great weekend people and stay warm!
Yopran'm
- Friday, February 06, 2004 at 14:14:33 (EST)
PR, I have no issue with someone "attacking" Aristide's wife, but certain criticism are, to use your words, "hypocritical."
Many on the board, whether for Aristide or not, have children who were born here, so therefor they are automatically American. So criticizing her for being American while is ridiculous, and, as I pointed out, if you were to criticize her for that, then you must criticize Mr. Apaid for also being American.
AS for you, feel free to take the criticism for what it's worth. I have nothing against you, and I rather enjoy the debate, "battles" that we've had. I am pointing out to you, however, that lately you are not as interesting in your arguments. Take it for what it's worth.
map swiv
- Friday, February 06, 2004 at 14:08:46 (EST)
Map Swiv, it seems that the landscape of your argument in your latest entry changed from the previous one. I got the message that you were somewhat implicating me in the critics of Aristide's choice of "wife". I don't particularly I don't care for his choice of spouse, I am sure she is ripping the out come of that arrangement. I find you a bit hypocritical when you try to make the critics of Aristide preference of spouse an unethical issue, while you were totally silent when it decidedly unethical to make personal attacks on Echodhaiti. Anyways, let's move on. You and I are similar in some ways, we are both passionate. However, I can move beyond passion and bring substantial points and evidence. Anonym23 aka Anonym, is a very intelligent and rational person, I know her personally. She is very resourceful and her contributions here have been accurate.
Pierre R Torchenot
Columbia, MD - Friday, February 06, 2004 at 13:40:12 (EST)
FYI.....readers of Echodhaiti
World - AP Latin America
Group Takes Over City in Haiti; 4 Dead
Fri Feb 6, 8:37 AM ET
By MICHAEL NORTON, Associated Press Writer
PORT-AU-PRINCE, Haiti - An armed opposition group seized control of Haiti's fourth-largest city in clashes that killed at least four people, while the government vowed to restore order.
Mobutoo
Stafford , VA - Friday, February 06, 2004 at 13:29:27 (EST)
PR, no questions you're an intelligent & passionate person, sometimes more the latter than the former. Your last statement to anonym23 was pure rhetoric. I doubt if you would've responded the same concerning internet spam email, which is what anonym23 posted. Because you receive an email doesn't mean the content is true.
map swiv
- Friday, February 06, 2004 at 12:09:03 (EST)
PR, no questions you're an intelligent & passionate person, sometimes more the latter than the former. Your last statement to anonym23 was pure rhetoric. I doubt if you would've responded the same concerning internet spam email, which is what anonym23 posted. Because you receive an email doesn't mean the content is true.
map swiv
- Friday, February 06, 2004 at 10:51:41 (EST)
Wait until 2006 and that's when Aristide will leave. That's when his term is up!!
We must become a civilized nation!!!
Stop the coups !!!!
Lets Make A Change
- Friday, February 06, 2004 at 09:43:44 (EST)
Map Swiv, what are you referring to?
Pierre R Torchenot
Columbia, MD - Friday, February 06, 2004 at 09:04:44 (EST)
Wow!, sometimes this page has flashes of brilliance, other times it goes right down the gutter.
I've disagreed with PR before, but I always understood where he was coming from. Now he's talking rhetoric. People are attacking a man's choice of wife, even though she is like many among us. His wife could have been you daughter or mine. Apaid, chief guy for the opposition, is American. Most of us on the board have lived more years in the US than in Haiti (if not, close to). We may still call ourselves Haitian, but we know we are not thinking or living like the 8 million Haitians living EVERYDAY on the island.
Just a thought.
map swiv
- Friday, February 06, 2004 at 08:37:36 (EST)
keep offfffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff
polomugu <mugu@mugu.com>
lome, togo - Friday, February 06, 2004 at 07:58:11 (EST)
Aristide gin dwa pran fam li vle. Si li pa pran ou paske ou gen tet kot, pa plinyin pou sa. Al met fo cheve. Le li te nan washington, ma parie avek ou, ou se youn nan sa ki te kon fe chyien devan pot lakay li. Li pase sou ou e li pa pran ou. Se pa fot li.
Ayisyen
Ayisyen
- Thursday, February 05, 2004 at 22:08:06 (EST)
ansam'm nou fo
amsam'm ansam'm nou se lavalas
pa gin ti moun nan zon nan poum paye reglemem'm.
pa blie, ti famm tet krot pa la dan'l, ti famm bel le pa la dan'l, si ou pa amrikenn uo pap la dan'l tou.
aristide
- Thursday, February 05, 2004 at 15:45:28 (EST)
Wi Haiti ou ka di sa fo. Ou fout gen rezon, set fwa swasan diset fwa set fwa.
Se Nou Tout
Se Nou Tout
- Thursday, February 05, 2004 at 12:09:59 (EST)
BON... TOUT BON NAN RON, Roch dlo resi konen Doulè roch nan Soley mwen wè Andy Apaid, Baker, Elizabeth Silvera, Tipinawa, Junior Cassis, Michel Martelly, Jacky Ambroise sou beton ap pran solèy tankou pitit bouki lontan sé peyé yo té kon'n peye lamé d'Haiti pou akompli mission yo..OU Wè NEG ARISTIDE SA-A yo pap renmen-l non...Aristide fè moun sa yo fou, Yo priyé nan pié OEA, Yo nan Nasyonzuni, yo nan Whashington, yo en France, Kounie yap priyé nan Pié KARIKOM, yo Kalonen roch sou l'ecole, yo volè Kadav NADMARINAD The New Idea in Haiti is ONE MAN ONE VOTE,kou deta pa ala mod anko...Aristide ap bayo yon leson pou listwa
Haiti
- Thursday, February 05, 2004 at 11:56:59 (EST)
Yes the country can be peaceful if you do not have international countries/organizations paying haitian cronies like the ones that are listed on the list provided by the Haiti Support Group to destabilise the country. What is it there that has made the country famous for violence. If someone is seeing the violent acts caused by Lavalas while ignoring those being committed by the opposition, you do not deem to see well for the country. Ask Smoochees if she has not enjoyed Carnival for the past 2 years? Those of us who have a personal problem with Aristide, why don't you wait after February 7, 2006 to deal with it?
Patriot
Patriot
- Thursday, February 05, 2004 at 08:37:49 (EST)
Anonym23, there are many levels at which an individual can enter into combat if he/she disapproves of what the Lavalas regime is doing. I will personally will boycott any institutions that support this regime; Unibank is one of them, and there are others. We have philosophy enough. In this combat, we must fight all fronts especially which that matters most-MONEY.
By the way, what hell was Aristide talking about when he said something along the line that he has acheived peace? Which country is he living in?
And what did he mean by " we have professionalize the police"?
Pierre Richard
Columbia, MD - Thursday, February 05, 2004 at 07:36:22 (EST)
good job
okomugu <okomugu@yahoo.com>
lome, - Thursday, February 05, 2004 at 07:05:16 (EST)
I LOVE YOU ANNE
Coming soon to Maryland -- More Info later on this week.
?-Do you think that the Valentine Weekend is too soon.
If not - Let me know -I need to give an answer to Miami(asap).
This Haitian movie, staring Joe Zenny "the singer of Konpa Kreyol",Tonton Bicha and Don Kato, was sold out for almost every showing at Cine Imperial and Cine Capitol in 03.
The movie is so funny you will laugh till you drop.
Jean Claude Vivens
Wheaton, MD - Wednesday, February 04, 2004 at 18:29:27 (EST)
Anonym23, go find yourself something good to do. I think you need to clean yourself up. Get up where you sit since you cannot smell it.
Patriot
Patriot
- Wednesday, February 04, 2004 at 16:30:57 (EST)
anonym23
If you receive an email from a prince in Africa proposing to share millions of dollars with you, remember this:
IT'S NOT TRUE !!!!
anonym45
- Wednesday, February 04, 2004 at 16:29:31 (EST)
j'ai recu ce message ce matin .
ATTENTION !!! UNIBANK .
Selon certaines sources émanant directement du régime Lavalas.
Jean Bertrand Aristide serait sur le point de s'accaparer des millions de dollars déposés à la UNIBANK.
Certains ont commencé à retirer leurs économies depuis quelques jours dans les différentes succursales de la capitale.
Le président Aristide contrôle déjà la caisse de la TELECO, des douanes et veut en faire autant avec la UNIBANK.
La sécurité personnelle du président qui coute plus de 4 millions de dollars américain par mois et les paiements faits aux chimères (environ $3.5 millions US par mois) seraient la cause de cet éventuel vol et acte illégal de la part du président Aristide.
Il est possible que les dépositaires de la UNIBANK subissent le même sort que les membres des coopératives qui avaient tout perdu dans la mésaventure.
Avertissez vos parents et amis de changer d'institution bancaire avant qu'il ne soit trop tard.
Anonym23
- Wednesday, February 04, 2004 at 15:45:26 (EST)
Just did
Mobutoo
Stafford, VA - Wednesday, February 04, 2004 at 14:58:21 (EST)
Mobutoo, If possible, please email us at webmaster@echodhaiti.com
webmaster <webmaster@echodhaiti.com>
- Wednesday, February 04, 2004 at 13:45:23 (EST)
Thank you very much for posting that information. I remember way back someone wrote that those groups were being financed by money coming abroad to distabilize the country. Soemone else on the board claimed that it was a lie. I am glad that the truth has come out.
Apali
Apali
- Wednesday, February 04, 2004 at 10:55:32 (EST)
President Aristide will be on CNN tonight around 7:00pm. The theme of his interview is what went wrong? I won't be able to watch him because unfortunately I will be at work . To me it sounds like it's going to be very interesting.I'm eager to see how he is going to present himself and his case to the world. I will need a copy of the interview to buy. A bon entendeur salut !!
Ergo
Lakeridge, Va - Wednesday, February 04, 2004 at 10:34:01 (EST)
La vraie mission des ptits blancs reste la meme; l'esclavagisation des peaux noires, realiser pour et par n'importe quel prix les besognes de leur patrons, assurer la nongouvernance de l'iles en prix de notre independance:
Haiti Support Group press release: European Union funding for members of the Group of 184 - 11 November 2003
As a solidarity organisation formed by, composed of, and supported by, citizens of the European Union, the Haiti Support Group feels it right and proper to put certain information concerning the European Commissions's human rights and democracy budget line for Haiti into the public domain.
We are also motivated by the publication in September of the National Coalition for Haitian Rights policy report, face=Arial color=#606420 Yon Sel Dwet Pa Manje Kalalou: Haiti on the eve of its Bicentennial which contains the following sentence concerning the Group of 184:
"It is not yet clear who finances the group's activities -- whether it receives funding from abroad or if its entire budget comes from its membership or another arrangement altogether."
Thanks to information provided to the Haiti Support Group by the European Commission (EC) staff in Brussels and the EC delegation in Port-au-Prince, we are able to shed some light on this subject:
· The European Commission is co-financing a Human Rights / Democracy project with Haiti's Initiative de la Societe Civile (ISC) group. The European Commission's contribution is 773,000 Euros (US$890,374 at today's exchange rate). The duration of the contract is from 21/12/2001 to 21/12/2003.
· The official recipients of this disbursement are M. Rosny Desroches and the Fondation Nouvelle Haiti. Rosny Desroches is the spokesperson for the Initiative de la Societe Civile. The Fondation Nouvelle Haiti (FNH) is a member of the Initiative de la Societe Civile group.
According to the EC delegation in Port-au-Prince, the reason why the amounts have been disbursed to the FNH and Rosny Desroches, rather than the ISC, is that the ISC had not been officially registered with the Haitian authorities at the time when the grant was authorised.
Regarding funding for the Group of 184:
It is known that Rosny Desroches is head of the Fondation Haitienne de l'Enseignement Prive (FONHEP), and that the FNH is run by M. Andre Apaid Jnr. Both FONHEP and FNH are members of the ISC. All members of the ISC are also members of the Group of 184. Indeed, Andre Apaid Jnr. is the Group of 184's main spokesperson.
According to the EC, M. Desroches and the FNH are charged with disbursing the EC funds to "human rights groups" in Haiti. Fourteen organisations are listed by the EC as among those receiving EC funding via M. Desroches and the FNH. These 14 organisations are:
FNH - Fondation Nouvelle Haiti;
CCIH - Chambre de commerce et d'industrie;
CNEH - Confederation Nationale des educateurs haitiens;
OGITH - Organisation generale independante des travailleurs haitiens;
CRESFED - Centre de Recherche et de Formation Economique et Sociale;
MOUFHED - Mouvement des femmes haitiennes pour l'education et le developpement;
CEDH - Centre oecumenique des droits humains;
Commission Justice et Paix;
Femmes en democratie;
KOP (Coordination des organisations populaires);
CEPRODHD - Centre pour la promotion des droits humains et de la democratie en Haiti;
FPDH - Fondation pour la Promotion des droits de l'homme;
CREDH - Centre de recherche pour le developpement humain;
CED - Collectif pour l'education et le developpement.
The first seven organisations in the above list are members of the Group of 184:
· As we have already mentioned, the FNH is run by Andre Apaid Jnr. - the Group of 184's main spokesperson.
· The head of the CICH, Maurice Lafortune, has also appeared in public as a Group of 184 spokesperson.
· The CNEH and the OGITH are trade unions, both members of the Group of 184.
· The CRESFED is a non-governmental organisation headed by Suzy Castor, a leading member of the Organisation du Peuple en Lutte political party.
· The MOUFHED is a non-governmental organisation headed by Jessie Benoit, a leading member of the Konakom political party.
· The CEDH is a human rights organisation headed by Jean-Claude Bajeux, one of the founders, and a former secretary-general, of the Konakom political party.
The Organisation du Peuple en Lutte and Konakom political parties are members of the Democratic Convergence coalition.
While on the subject of foreign funding for organisations in Haiti, we also note that the United States Agency for International Development (USAID) allocated US$3,050,000 (just over three million dollars) to "civil society, the media, human rights organisations and political parties" for its Government and Democracy programme in Haiti in the fiscal year 2003
Haiti
MD, - Tuesday, February 03, 2004 at 19:11:54 (EST)
By the way guys, I was watching CNN last night and they had some footage of Haiti. CNN will have an interview with Aristide at 7:00 PM ET tomorrow Wednesday 2/4/04.
Mobutoo
Stafford, VA - Tuesday, February 03, 2004 at 15:12:37 (EST)
Just Asking,
It seems that you were never comfortable with your black skin. It must be hard to wake up everyday, look in the mirror and be very sad . Self-hatred must be hard.
Maybe, you can bleach your skin over and over. Who knows,you may find a color that suits you.Or, you may still be uncomfortable since your discomfort lays in your enslaved heart.
Ayisyen
- Tuesday, February 03, 2004 at 08:37:00 (EST)
I personally don't have a problem with caricom interfering in our business.My understand of caricom is that it's the support system of the caribbean nations for any of them that is in trouble.
Let's face it people, we have a country in serious trouble.If your house was flooding or in fire and the neighbors want to help would you be too proud to say YES I NEED HELP,and loose all your belongings.
Today we fell ashamed that other small caribbean nations want to help us, well we did try the big countries (oas-united nations,asian nations etc...) may be caricom can provide an answer because Haiti is "like it or not" a heavy load to the other caribbean nations.
Intelligent people try to see it this way:Let's picture seven brothers living in the same house,six of them go to work every morning seven days a week,trying their best to make it while the other one is always begging for a dollar, begging for roulibe,not going to school,not cleaning his room,not picking up his trash,always ready to fight,not polite to the guests,rude on the phone, and still think he knows it all because he is the older brother born in 1804
Well Haiti,my older brother you full of IT.We the other brothers want to help you because my man you are dying in IT,if we don't do something.
Now proud people do you understand.
On a larger scale would you like to live in a million dollars neighborhood with nice houses,beautiful well cut green grass,luxury automobiles,golf course and ONE ugly crack house next door to yours.Tell me that you will object if the Home Owners Association of your community wants to do something about it.
Think of caricom as such.
Pwazon
Silver Spring, MD - Monday, February 02, 2004 at 18:23:20 (EST)
I see facelessness knows no borders. Anyways, Just asking and Sandra, I will attempt to entertain your questions. You see, having traveled to several different countries including many of the Caribbean islands, I can tell that Haiti shares some similarities but also has her distinctions. Haitian People are very ambitious, we want to elevate Haiti to the ranks of the Japans of the world. We want to rightfully claim our position as a respectable force as we were once a world power. We don't want to be an island where white folks can come and sit back and have some guy name Dexter St Jacques climbs a coconut tree to serve them an nice glass of coconut water, preparing them some jerk chicken or conch fritters. That is not Haiti is all about, we do not want to be known as the "good negroes". As history will reveal, it is not in our blood to entertain white folks as most of the other Carribean island are known for.
We do have some similarities as I have pointed out, there a lot of crimes in Haiti as most other populated countries. For example, Jamaica's crime rate is four times higher than the world rate, Washington Dc is a cool second only to Kingston Jamaica. Trinidad&Tobago are no different. Tokyo is very dangerous city fill with crimes and prostitution.
Haiti is a black country. The Black race has many shades, but we are black and proud. Our incestors fought to elevate the black race and made Haiti the first Black nation in the world, this is an accomplishment that every black person can cherish, yourselves included. The Maroons of Jamaica fought vehimently to elevate blackness. You see we do not have an issue with our beautiful back skin, perhaps you need to see a doctor about your self hatred.
As far as the food we eat, I happen to love my cuisine, one of the best in the world. It's socialization that differ us in some ways. Some group enjoy "pickled pigs feet", some enjoy chitlins and grits, some enjoy roti, while others enjoy something else. The point is, we enjoy what pleases us regardless of other opinions because no one holds a patent on criticism.
We want to clean our trash by ourselves, I am sure that the Caricom members do not have to look far to smell their own trash. It is no accident that Caricom is now an issue in our issues, it's a humiliation tatic by the powers that feel disrespected by the accomplisment of our Hatians ancestors that put us Blacks on the map as humans. You fail to realize that our cause is the same. It is a constant struggle to free the black mind. Just asking and sandra, we are the same, our struggle is the same. Don't to look down on us, we are fighting for you. Lord knows we have issues but helps us by stopping the negative criticism, that all.
I once read that the struggle is a "blessing". Life it self begings with a struggle; millions of sperms, only one survive.
Bye for now.
Pierre R Torchenot
Columbia , MD - Sunday, February 01, 2004 at 10:49:32 (EST)
The First Haitian Baptist Congregation Of Washington DC is located at the corner of Columbia Rd & 16th St NW our mailing address is 1501 Columbia Rd NW Washington DC 20009
Tel 202 332 7510 or 301 384 6245.Worship service is held every sunday from 12:30pm. Come as you are. Everyone is welcome.If you are a resident of Virginia and need more details about our congregation send your email to Ergosumex@yahoo.com Many blessings
Joel
Joel <Ergosumex@yahoo.com>
lakeridge, VA - Sunday, February 01, 2004 at 09:18:32 (EST)
I want to share the following bible verses with our brothers and sisters in the haitian community ,I won't comment on it because its stand is self- evident I believe it will do some good in the mind of quiet a few guests of whom I was privileged to read the expression of their emotions in the light of what's taking place in our dear homeland. If you have have time please read entirely the book of I Samuel.A l'impossible nul n'est tenu; if you don'have time meditate on this: "Celui qui regne parmi les hommes avec justice, celui qui regne dans la crainte de Dieu, est pareil a la lumiere du matin quand le soleil brille et que la matinee est sans nuages; ses rayons apres la pluie font sortir de terre la verdure" II Samuel 23V3&4 .
Ergo
Ergo <Ergosumex@yahoo.com>
Lakeridge, VA - Sunday, February 01, 2004 at 09:02:18 (EST)
The First Haitian Baptist Congregation Of Washington DC is located at the corner of Columbia Rd & 16th St NW at the National Memorial Baptist Church. Our mailing address is 1501 Columbia Rd NW Washington DC, 20009 .Tel 202 332 7510 or 301 384 6245
Worship Service is held every sunday from 12:30 pm . Come as you are , everyone is welcome.If you live in Virginia and need more details about our congregation send your emai to Ergosumex@yahoo.com . Many blessings
Ergo <Ergosumex@yahoo.com>
Lakeridge, VA - Sunday, February 01, 2004 at 08:18:31 (EST)
Just asking and Sandra, out curiosity, where are you from?
Pierre R Torchenot
Columbia, MD - Saturday, January 31, 2004 at 16:52:58 (EST)
Just asking, this is the first statement that makes sense in this site for so long. I had to write. Thank you very much for posting it. You see Caricom Leaders are trying to teach haitians how to become cvilized and address issues, the haitians who are the first to be independent.
Thank you very much Just Asking. I hope they provide you with some answers.
Sandra
Sandra
- Saturday, January 31, 2004 at 16:07:26 (EST)
Thank you "Just Asking" for your questions. Could you clarify couple things for me. Are you referring to all Haitians in questions 1 to 7? How do you define "Civilized". I am sure someone will give you valid answers to your questions but unfortunately I do not have the answers for I don't feel the way you think about Haitians....Finally, if you "dislike your beautiful black skin", don't blame it on Haitians. The "beautiful black skin" does not belong on someone as shallow as you. I suggest that remove any trace of that black skin by any means necessary and that you distance yourself from Haitians.
Mobutoo
Stafford, VA - Saturday, January 31, 2004 at 16:03:09 (EST)
1-WhY do Haitians only cook rice and beans, frie pork and goat at a party. Is these the especially of the Haitian cuisine?
2-Why do Haitians always want to kill their presidents? Why can Haitians govern themselves? Why Haitians always put the blame on US instead of on themselves?
3-Why Haitians always use violence to settle up political differences?
4-Why can Haitians live with peace and harmony just like any other nations in the Caribbean?
Why must Haitians throwing rocks at each other? Why do you love to protest? instead of going to the mountains of Haiti grow food to feed themselves they are in Port-au-Prince asking for the removal of their elected officials as if the govt should give them money and foods.
6-Why you Haitians act as civilized people when you are outside of Haiti while you act as if you were a remote tribe in the jungle of Africa when in Haiti?
7 Why 2 or more groups of Haitians fighting to get control of the govt. as if they were tigers fighting for territory.
You Haitians make me dislike my beautiful black skin. Always fighting each other for no reasons. The white colons took you out of Africa but they couldn't get the savage tribe out of your system.
Shame on you.
Just asking
- Saturday, January 31, 2004 at 15:32:58 (EST)
Everyone on the board, please, let's stop the nonsense. First of all, I believe that the board is not here for anybody or anyone in particular to get personal. Whatever one does with his/her personal life is nobody's business. Therefore, if one can't be positive or civilized and intelligent on the board, just don't offer your input, instead, learn from people who do research and who want to be positive. It takes intelligent and civilized people to have a decent debate, especially on the board. It would be a shame for a foreign person to check this board out and see that kind of uglyness going on. Then, they will really say no wonder haiti has never been stable, because, we can't even get it together (not everyone on the board) on echo d'haiti.
Le Plus Haut
White Oak, Md - Friday, January 30, 2004 at 22:00:54 (EST)
Jean,
All my life I have been the subject of gossips, so this is nothing new. You know better than anyone {EDITED BY WEBMASTER}. You also know that I do not concern myself with the opinions of others, especially the malicious ones. Supermix is a super coward. Just the other day I was at your house and read a quote by Shakespear and it goes "Cowards die many times before their deaths". Frankly, I am not going to ask the staff of Echodhaiti.com to remove his comments about me, let it be the testemony about the Lavalas venom that we been proving time and time again.
Pwazon, the more they gossip the more blessed I am.
Pierre R Torchenot
Columbia , MD - Friday, January 30, 2004 at 21:27:11 (EST)
Mezanmi, m rekonèt dwa tout moun pou pataje opinyon yo. Men, sa pa vle di nou sipoze bay manti, di nenpòt tenten paske nou gen dwa.
NOn, se pat"blan" ki te ba nou Aristid. Se pèp ayisyen ki te chwazi Aristid.65%. Yon pousantaj Georges Busch, Blair elatriye ta renmen genyen. Malerezman, Aristid pa reyisi gouvène peyi a. DEpi l monte, lelit tout koulè a, lelit souse zo a planifye, finanse yon koudeta sèt mwa apre pèp ayisyen chwazi lidè l. Aristid tounen prezidan paske pèp la an Ayiti kòm nan dyaspora te sipòte l. Aristid tounen paske te gen yon ti gout chans ki tap souri ak li tou. Men, lè l tounen, tèt chaje. Li tèlman aksepte kondisyon, li tounen yon lòt moun.Sa te tèlman vre li retire wòch'transparans" lan.JIstis, bèkèkè. Koripsyon, se kanaval.Lè Aristid 2 retounen, li bay opozisyon ki pa kanpe sou anyen opòtinite pou ba l pwoblèm. Pati Aristid genyen 2/3 nan eleksyon pou senatè anvan eleksyon Aristid 2. OEA di pati Aristid la pat gen yen yon "absolute marjority(51%) pou lòt tyè a. Sa vle di yo te sipoze ale nan dezyèm tou. Men, Pati Aristide la refize. Yo di yo se granmoun tèt yo. Lòt nasyon pa ka di yo sa pou yo fè. KOunye a, poukisa Aristid pral Jamayik? Poukisa, Aristid ap resevwa delegasyon etranje, POukisa Aristid vle fè eleksyon li pat vle fè yo, si li se granmoun? Podyab. men, se erè sa ki vi n met gwoup 184, konvèjans alamòd. OPozisyon te tèlman pat kanpe sou anyen, li te mande pou Aristid rete sou pouvwa a pou dezan paske yo konnen, dapre konstitisyon an, Aristid t ap oblije tann setan ankò. Kidonk, opozisyon t ap evite fè fas ak popilarite Aristid.
Franchman, m ta renmen yon lòt moun dirije peyi a. M ta rele anmwe si se yon moun nan 184 oubyen konvèvèjans ki jiska prezan pa gen plan pou Ayiti. Tout pwogram yo se pou yo debarase de Aristid po yo ka kontinye koripsyon ak lenjistis. Poukis yo pa brav menmjan ak Aristid? Nou sonje diktati divalye san divalye a. Malgre te gen ensekirite, Aristid prezante l nan eleksyon. Anpil san koule,anpil manman pitit kriye. Kanmenm pèp la swiv li epi mete l sou chèz prezidan. Poukisa,pa gen yon moun nan opozisyon an ki brav konsa. Eske se paske yo pa popilè?
Aba Opozisyon, Aba konvèjans,Aba koudeta, Aba konsansis ti gwoup, Aba Aristid!Sa se pozisyon m. Men se pa dwa m pou m chanje prezidan.Sa se dwa pèp ayisyen an ki gen ladan l Aristid, gwoup 184, konvèjans, ak 6 milyon 997 mil moun.Aristid chaje ak moun dèyè l. Si Popilarite l diminye, li toujou popilè.Ak tout popilarite sa a, li dwe fè konpromi pou rezoud kriz sa a. Opozisyon gen moun, men yo pa gen fòs ase, yo pa popilè ase pou yo jete Aristid nan bon kondisyon. Yo dwe chita ak Aristid pou fè konpromi pou rezoud kriz sa a.si se vre se enterè peyi a a yo wè, yo ta negosye. Non, yo pito plede koz yo bay etranje. Alatraka.
M ale.
Ayisyen
- Friday, January 30, 2004 at 21:00:26 (EST)
SuperMix,
I am in the obligation to let this slide because you are a faceless coward. If you had made yourself known, you would have to hear from our lawyer for defamation of character.
Pierre has made comments here that are controversial; however, he along with other people have elevated the forum to a level that may prove to be useful to us, haitians, who for the most part cannot accept criticism.
This is a forum where people debate public issues not a place to attack people personnally. In that regard, i respectfully ask Echodhaiti to remove the comments made by SuperMix.
SuperMix, I understand your frustration. This is the level at which you can interface. It is unfortunate that these comments are not needed and cannot move our community in the direction we would like it to go. I encourage you to educate yourself, then your brain will be capable of producing ideas that go beyond food, sleep, gossip etc.
Jean Torchenot
Columbia, MD - Friday, January 30, 2004 at 20:27:58 (EST)
Super Mix cut the B.S, the man already tell you that you are a punk. What the hell you are talkink to the man about drugs,who the hell knows you or your activities, what the hell are you super mixing.You sound so , {EDITED BY WEBMASTER}may be you are mixing some "you know what" up your "you know what". {EDITED BY WEBMASTER}
Conversations sou board la dépasse'w sé sak fè wap attaké moune ki ap baye commentè yo sou "san sal" kap krazé péyi ya. {EDITED BY WEBMASTER}.
Pwazon
Silver Spring, MD - Friday, January 30, 2004 at 20:13:50 (EST)
I noticed that each time someone is alluding to the truth, there is always an attempt to resort to identfying the person so as to avoid the issue. Pierre, you know dman well what I am talking about. Do not try to avoid it. {EDITED BY WEBMASTER}. I am glad that some us have stopped even though some others were caught. Pierre, do not look for excuses. It is just another chapter in life. But do not be so hypocritical towards others and without any proof.
SuperMix
SuperMix
SuperMix
- Friday, January 30, 2004 at 17:31:38 (EST)
Le plus Haut, I would not call the aftermath of Aristide departure " a civil war" I would rather call it a "civil unrest," something like the mishaps of 1986. One my favotite channel on television is Discovery. Have you ever seen a group of hungry lionesses setting a stage for a kill, notice I said lionesses not lions, they are usually to lazy and the females do all the work and want to eat first. Anyways, but a group of Hyenas are even hungrier and want to steal or spoil their counterparts efforts. These two groups of beasts would kill and devour a gazelle out greed and hatred for each other. This metaphor is not far fetched from Haiti's current situation. I don't which group I would as the lions and which as the hyenas, but one thing is certain, we must not sit and watch as if this was a jungle and the law of only the strong survive.
Pierre R Torchenot
Columbia, MD - Friday, January 30, 2004 at 17:26:18 (EST)
"Arguing about politics seems to be a favorite Haitian pastime"
Lol, so true.
Mapswiv, I've never made a positive reference pertaining to the Convergence. I don't recognize them as an official organization defending the well being of Haitians or otherwise.
To address your questions, I am not a political analyst by any means, like "let's make a change" said:Arguing about politics is an Haitian favorite past time. In his departure speech, Ambassador Duncan addressed his peers in a speech where he gave Haitians some advice. He expressed that Haiti has competent children all over the world and she should turn to them for help. I concur with his reasoning, I beleive that Haiti produces some of the brightest people anywhere, and that we don't need the Prime Minister of Jamaica to resolve Haiti's affairs.
It will take Map swiv, Love for my people, even SuperMIX, if you guys have a spot left for me than, PR. It will take different views and abilities to accomplish the much needed change.
Now, I was going to ignore this Supermix dude because he seems superconfused. You seem to confuse the meaning of gossiping with something else. I don't gossip of this board. I present information as they are availble to me with it's source. It is not rocket science to understand content of your post. If I am a drug dealer than so be it. You just need to figure out what you need to do instead attacking my character while you hiding. Besides, not considering you a peer in my circle, not filling you up on my daily life hardly constitutes me as a drug dealer. If were to call you something degrading, than you would know that Pierre Richard said. I would not take cheap shot at you and call myself supermix. I will not address you or respond to you anymore until you can identify yourself. Gossip is an ugly thing dude, especially for a man.
Pierre R Torchenot
Columbia , MD - Friday, January 30, 2004 at 16:55:05 (EST)
One thing that I don't understand is opposition to Aristid say that Aristide is the reason for Haiti's misery. My questions are Is Aristide the reason you left Haiti? And was there not misery before Aristide?
Think about it If Haiti was so great before then we would be there. What we need to do is work together and stop the blaming!!
Lets Make A Change!!!!
MD - Friday, January 30, 2004 at 14:47:27 (EST)
Map Swiv, I'm with you on those two questions, I bet you if Aristide leaves office today, however way it happens, forcibly or not, there will be a civil war. Let me explain, it will be not only between the opposition and the rest of lavalas left behind, also between the members of the opposition. The fact of the matter remains that, however way you look at it, everybody is out for their own gain within the opposition, where you will see them fighting for the best position that there is to make sure their pockets are largely satisfied. Therefore, whether Aristide is there or not, it's history repeat itself, which means: "MSPA" (MIN-M SALOPRI PASE AVAN).
Le Plus Haut
White Oak, Md - Friday, January 30, 2004 at 13:40:09 (EST)
I am a Haitian-American and all my life I have seen Haitians argue about politics. Arguing about politics seems to be a favorite Haitian pastime. But one thing I never here about are solutions the problem in Haiti is not Aristide or the Lavalas party. The problem is that Haitians are always critics but how many of you have actually tried to make a change in Haiti? Haiti's government has been unstable since 1804 after the revolution. Our own revolution even though I have always been proud that we were the first black republic was the beginnings of this whole mess. Haitians have a need for absolute power and thrive on greed they don't support the country but in general care about themselves. I really hope the new generation can change all the problems created by the older generations. I think that the older generations of Haitians are too emotional about the country Haiti needs to be looked at like a business. Haiti and the people of Haiti have so much potential look at the contributions that we have made in the world as immigrants. STOP BLAMING AND UNITE FOR SOLUTIONS AND CHANGE.
Lets Make A Change!!!!!
MD - Friday, January 30, 2004 at 10:17:57 (EST)
You all miss a lot of the points. No where on this board have I ever come and said that I was a Aristide "supporter" or not.
THAT'S THE PROBLEM WITH HAITIAN POLITICS.
Because I raise a question or I may support an action by the gov't that doesn't mean that I am a "supporter" of that gov't. I can criticize Bush in Iraq, but support his Education plan. Does that mean I'm Republican or Democrat.
We need to learn to exchange ideas and to get away from this thinking of all or nothing. We can learn to say that we agree with the Opposition about human right abuses, but don't agree with their method of resolving it. We agree with the diagnosis, but not the medecine.
THAT DOES NOT MEAN THAT I SUPPORT ONE OR THE OTHER.
PR, you have good information, but I question your reasoning. We need to look at the next step:
(if you or anyone else wants to, Please finish these next two sentences)
If Aristide resigns and goes to exile, then... [what do you see in the 'immediate" future for Haiti]
If Aristide is overthrown (forcibly), then... [what do you see in the 'immediate" future for Haiti]
map swiv
- Friday, January 30, 2004 at 09:22:28 (EST)
I think you all have gotten it wrong. Aristide is not the problem. instead "haitian" in general is the problem. Also, I see alot of you are making a lot of accusations. Some of you have accused Aristide of being involved in drug activities. what struck me the most are the people making those accusations. For example, if {EDITED BY WEBMASTER}. I live here in Columbia. Some of you ought to look at yourself in a mirror before making those statements. Many of us know what is going on in the community.
SuperMix
SuperMix
- Friday, January 30, 2004 at 09:09:19 (EST)
Apa nou pa konpran'n an yen nan an yen
Ni Aristide ni convergence se men'm malpropté yo wi.
Gadé bien toute moune ki nan Tète convergence la, sé moune ki fè vi yo ap rélé viv TITID,moune ki tap mangé lagen shango a wi, ki tap bwè san pèp la wi, sé yo wi jodi a ki ap di ABAS.
Sé pou jodi pou yo di vive Cédras, vive Lafontan, vive Bolieu, paské se moune sa yo ki té wé loin,et ki té toujou kon'n di NON à lavalasse
Sé pa ni K- Plim, ni criminel lavalasse Danny Toussaint, ni ancien jige lavalasse, ancien sénatè lavalasse,ancien profésè lavalasse Paquiot ki té kon'n fèmen faculté pou titid,ni Lolo ki compozé anpil chanté au profit de lavalasse,et ki guen madam li Manzè ki tap kalé wess nan ministè anvironman alé nan travail lè li vlé,touché kan mème paské frè li sé minis anvironmam lavalasse.
Pa kité ancien souf lan tiou Aristide lavalasse fatra ki pou ap vini mandé pèp Washington pou édé yo rélé chalbari devan anbassade ancien patron yo wa. Sé pou yo continié valé fatra, sé pa jodi ya pou yo ap rélé anmwé FATRA YO A TRO SANTI, sé té an 90-94- 2000 pou yo té rélé.SE PA JODI YA POU SE MOUNE SA YO KI SE L'OPOZISYION- SE PA VRE- SE PA FOUT VRE
SE POU MOUNE WASHINGTON TE FOUTT KEK KOUTT PIE NAN TIOU SOUF LAN TIOU SA YO.
GOUPE 184 = 184 VACABONS
LAVALASSE = FATRA
RESULTA = VACABONS SOU FATRA
FATRA SA A, SE FATRA YO LI YE
NOU PAP RANMASE'L
C'EST CE MESSAGE QUE NOUS DEVONS FORMULER AU PEUPLE HAITIENS.GRANDS,PETITS- RICHES ET PAUVRES
IL N'EXISTE PAS UNE VRAIE OPPOSITION.
Il n'y a que des révoqués révoltés.Des dealers qui se battent pour le controle de la douane et des criminels qui cherchent un abris avant le levé du soleil.
yo toute sé men'm yo men'm nan. DES MALANDRINS.
Pwazon
Silver Spring, MD - Thursday, January 29, 2004 at 21:41:22 (EST)
9-11-87 yal dèyè Aristide nan Saint Jean Bosco, Decembre 90 Lafontant deklare sou ABC en Anglais " Nou pap kite ti nèg sa-a prezidan nou Paka kite sa fèt" yon mwa pita li poze main sou palè ya aprè eleksyon fin fèt,Septembre 90 explozyon Bomb nan Ave Panamericaine Petion-Ville pou yo te Tué Kandida Aristide, Septembre 91 kou deta pou mete Aristide deyò aprè premié eleksyon onèt nan peyi ya, plus de 5000 moun mouri, Ayisyen mange mange bliye ou nou soufri Amnigia
Mwen
- Thursday, January 29, 2004 at 18:17:20 (EST)
PR...mwen devan wi....Eske'w deye'm?....LOL
smoochees
- Thursday, January 29, 2004 at 15:20:37 (EST)
Smooch, carnival is around the corner...
Pierre R Torchenot
Columbia , - Thursday, January 29, 2004 at 13:33:49 (EST)
"Let's say we agree on Aristide being the problem, what about the fact that we "made our bed, we must lie in it"
Please don't say thing like that anymore! You sound like you're one headache away from being "The Incredible Hulk"
"What about bringing Aristide to international court? where he, like Saddam (off subject, I know), can be judged for his alledge crimes."
There is no oil reserves in Haiti...
Once we stand agaisnt those things and start producing, only then will people, group or business, stop portraying haitians as"sauvages, barbares."
The president's job is to move the country forward, not to create chimere, to encourage racial conflicts.
No truer words have ever been spoken here, Anonym.
Pierre R Torchenot
Columbia, MD - Thursday, January 29, 2004 at 13:26:31 (EST)
"Yo te mande ARISTIDE en 94, blan ba yo ARISTIDE so se pou li fout kroke nan gòg yo."
This is what someone said to me and when you really think about it, it's a true statement. Banm la pe tet mwen ak koze aristide sa. Nou strese tet nou nan yon sel pawol. Nou pa bouke? Sak pi red la tout pale anpil sa yo for NADA. Anyen serye nou pap regle.
TWIIIIIPPPPPP!!!
smoochees
- Thursday, January 29, 2004 at 13:22:17 (EST)
"However, that is not what you and alot like you have been reporting."
In the name of fairness, Map Swiv, you're right. I could count on the fingers of one of my hands, I would have most of fingers uncounted, that's how many times that I have posted anything in favor of Lavalas or Aristide. The sole reason behind that is because there isn't many good things Lavalas and Aristide have done. Please free to make a liar out of me, eventhough one might argue that this fairly relative, I am still interested in hearing your counter argument.
"Also, maybe we are supporters of a process, meaning a gov't is elected and doesn't do what we, the people, want it to do, then that gov't must be held accountable for it's acts and actions. Meaning: Do not reelect him or her, or anyone him or her endorses,"
I have heard this point countless times on this board. I have heard: "Why can't an election hold in Haiti? ' He must finish his term because he was elected through a democratic process'". Richard Nixon, the 37th American President, resigned from his presidency after his was impeached as a result of the Watergate scandal. More recently, Bill Clinton, the 41st American President, almost suffered a similar fate because he lied about receiving special favors(b10w j0&)from some chick. If we want to talk about democracy we can look at the paradigm of democracy-USA. Aristide's name has been involved in dope peddling to murder and everything in between. Aristide's at one time confidants: King Kino, Danny Toussaint, Jacques Ketan, Dr Prince Pierre Sonson,Amiot Metayer, all have come out and call foul play. So why should this election hold? Even if all these accusations were lies, it is now evident that Lavalas does not have a formula for Haiti and has driven this country to the worst it has ever been.
"PR, since you feel that Lavalas and Convergence must go: please be a little more balance in your "reporting"
point me to where on this board you've been equally critical of the opposition as you've been of the current gov't"
I am yet to see a picture from a credible source: Yahoo.com,AP, Reuters,ect. depicting the convergence misdeeds. And besides, who is the convergence anyways? Are they elected officials? As far as I concern they are a group that isn't doing anything progressive besides being instigative.
Pierre R Torchenot
Columbia, MD - Thursday, January 29, 2004 at 13:04:55 (EST)
Map swiv,
Do not worry about how i name myself just like I will not worry about your name. Talk about real issue. Remember, you call yourself map swiv to hide your identity, which is the same technique i use here. Your are as anonymous as i am here.
I am not against the fact that Aristide was elected he should finish his time. My problem, and frankly it should be your problem unless you have something to gain by the actual situation, Aristide cannot and should not be allowed to continue to treat people the way he is doing it now. It is time for us haitians to stop allowing people to do whatever they want we us. I am an educated man, it is against my being to allow people to treat me anyway they want. I am for a people that respect others and get respect back. Remember, it started when Aristide was in power the first time, people openly declared now they have the right to talk, touch, and beat anyone they wanted. Aristide has institutionalized le vagabondage dans le pays. We as a people must stand against these practices. Once we stand agaisnt those things and start producing, only then will people, group or business, stop portraying haitians as"sauvages, barbares."
Stop supporting someone who is not producing. Stop supporting someone who is not doing his job. The president's job is to move the country forward, not to create chimere, to encourage racial conflicts. You have the right to be for Aristide, but have the courage to help him do something, that way you will be able to tell me, the president has done this or that. You cannot make a list of accomplishments that Aristide has achieved that will prove he has the level to do the job he signed up for.
Anonym
- Thursday, January 29, 2004 at 12:45:58 (EST)
anonym,
by the way, get a little more creative with your name. Really.. people have gotten real creative here so please follow...
as to your comments, I agree with the gov't is the most visible and therefor the target. Let's say we agree on Aristide being the problem, what about the fact that we "made our bed, we must lie in it." What about getting rid of Aristide by using the Constitutional Laws to remove a president? What about bringing Aristide to international court? where he, like Saddam (off subject, I know), can be judged for his alledge crimes.
What about judging him in Haitian court, and I do mean judge-Not Lynch Mob, judge, as in facts, witnesses, jury, law, etc...
What about rewriting the Constitution in order not to get another "Aristide." What about the next guy? who? Apaid? Toussaint (senator)? or gal, Mildred? How do we prevent the country from falling into that same senario five years or ten years from now?
That's what we should be talking about. Removing Aristive is not going to solve Haiti's economy, Haiti's Human rights abuses, Haiti's intollerance.
We will and our children will be having the same discussion, unless we start building a future instead of patching the present.
[sorry EchodHaiti, I took too long]
map swiv
- Thursday, January 29, 2004 at 12:17:41 (EST)
Map swiv,
The main reason why the opposition is not talked about much is because Aristide is seen as the source of the problem. If the opposition were running the country, then people would concentrate around what it is doing. This is the same when Aristide was coming up. He was behind a bunch of things that people never mentioned, this is because the government in place was the common ennemy at the time.
I can appreciate the fact that people need to balance their view, however, the group in power will always get much of the coverage and for good reasons. I beleive that if Aristide wanted to change things for the better, he could have w/o much troubles. We already witnessed how quickly he changed things for the worst. It was never in Aristide intention to establish a state of law in the country, this was clear when he said to his people: Nous ne voulons pas la majorité, mais la totalité. Aristide is a totalitarian, but the big problem is he is not versed in how to develop a country. This is the difference between him and Castro in my view.
Anonym
- Thursday, January 29, 2004 at 12:01:33 (EST)
PR, agree that Aristide's "government" must be held accountable for the welfare of the country and her people. However, that is not what you and alot like you have been reporting.
1. "you must be supporters of the regime" why-because we disagree with you? Also, maybe we are supporters of a process, meaning a gov't is elected and doesn't do what we, the people, want it to do, then that gov't must be held accountable for it's acts and actions. Meaning: Do not reelect him or her, or anyone him or her endorses, pass new laws to stop future disappointments. [the Democrats(replace with Convergence or Group 184) have a chance b/c the people are not happy with the current Republican president(replace with Lavalas or Pres. Aristide)] THAT'S THE PROCESS...
PR, since you feel that Lavalas and Convergence must go: please be a little more balance in your "reporting"
point me to where on this board you've been equally critical of the opposition as you've been of the current gov't.
map swiv
- Thursday, January 29, 2004 at 10:42:38 (EST)
My new year DETERMINATION for HAITI
FIVE POWERS THAT WE POSSESS to change our beloved republic of HAITI
Each person to stand up on thier own, self-reliant in FAITH.
The great human revolution of one person will lead to the creation of boundless joy for both oneself and others
and the expansion of a beautiful garden of peace and hope around the globe
Unrestricted present cause for our future happiness.
• Faith for a harmonious family.
Members, friends, and community
• Faith for each person to become happy
Awaken to our mission for change Haiti
• Faith for surmounting obstacles.
The necessary ingredient for understanding victory
• Faith for health and a long life.
Good health and living a long life enables you to carry our your mission
• Faith for absolute victory.
Must have absolute confidence in your prayer to achieve absolute victory.
The evil twin within……has unfaithful belief.
Jean Zephir <jean@ejzdesign.com>
Silver Spring, MD - Thursday, January 29, 2004 at 08:24:59 (EST)
FIVE POWERS THAT WE POSSESS, is base on our FAITH
and the desire to change our beloved HAITI
Unrestricted present cause for our future happiness.
• Faith for a harmonious family.
Members, friends, and community
• Faith for each person to become happy
Awaken to our mission
• Faith for surmounting obstacles.
The necessary ingredient for understanding victory
• Faith for health and a long life.
Good health and living a long life enables you to carry our your mission
• Faith for absolute victory.
Must have absolute confidence in our prayer to achieve absolute victory.
The evil twin within……has unfaithful belief.
jean Zephir <jean@ejzdesign.com>
Silver spring, MD - Thursday, January 29, 2004 at 08:13:24 (EST)
Cruising into History Project ? a unique historical event
Recently, in an article written in « The Black Commentator », Randall Robinson, former head of TransAfrica said the
following : " Not only must we not forget the Haitian Revolution, we must celebrate it. Today, through all of this, its
bicentennial year, and beyond.
And we must research, understand, and expose what happened to Haiti and in Haiti since the revolution. We must
become fully conversant with the role of "the world’s leading democracies" in Haiti between 1804 and today…."
Indeed, the Haitian Revolution of 1804 remains the only successful slave revolution in the history of the world, and
that is why Randall Robinson’s statement rings so true and must be publicized in every corner of the world. The
Haitian Revolution transcends the borders of Haiti as we look at its impact on the rest of Latin America and on the
policies of the slaveowning countries. Haiti paid a terrible price for having dared to challenge the hegemony of countries like
France, England, the United States and others. And this is why it is important to commemorate the Bicentennial of this
revolution and to view it in its proper perspective: a historical event of transcendent importance for the world historical
heritage and for Haitians in particular.
In a statement issued on December 30, 2003, Actor and human rights activist Danny Glover and Ron Daniels,
Executive Director of the Center for Constitutional Rights and Chairman of the Haiti Support Project said that , "As
friends of Haiti, our commitment is not to a person, a particular President, government or political party but to the
masses of Haitian people. We choose to commemorate this extraordinary event to educate our people and the world
about the tragedies and triumphs of the past as a basis for preparing a brighter future for Haiti and the Haitian people in the
21st century."
This could not be said more eloquently. That is why the "Cruising into history Project " launched by Ron Daniels
becomes so important to realize. All preparations are proceeding as planned to reach the goal which is "to extend the
celebration/commemoration well into 2004".
Do not miss this unique, once-in-a-lifetime event. Hurry to register as time is running out. For information, please call
Jean Zéphyr at (301) 585-0946. HSP DC Committee, Visit our website at www.cruisingintohistory.org Media
requests should go to Joia Jefferson Nuri, 301-920-0670.
Jean Zephir <jean@ejzdesign.com>
Silver Spring, MD - Thursday, January 29, 2004 at 07:48:12 (EST)
Press Release
Coconut Groove, Strings’latest release : a grooving experience
The group « Strings » whose fame is now universal, has released its fourth CD entitled « Coconut Groove ». And what
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Lumane Casimir, Piel Canela and Enseña me (her own composition), highlights the wide range of her voice and her great
command of the Spanish language.
As usual, Jacky Ambroise’s guitar is just wonderful as this time, he is supported by a new rythm guitarist named
Camille Fortuné. Judging by his playing, you would think that he has been with Strings from the very beginning. He
provides excellent strumming throughout the album.
Another nice surprise on the CD is the work of an excellent flutist by the name of Gerardo Peña. He feels totally at
ease with Strings whose music lends itself perfectly to his style. The rhythm section of Arus Joseph, Serge Laguerre
and Jimmy Daniel complete the picure. The music is enriched by their presence and that of the three new musicians.
Jacky and company have been able to blend the flamenco, konpa and other rythms into a wonderfully enjoyable
dancing and listening sound which, once more, reinforces Strings as one of the premier Haitian musical group.
The pattern for Strings has been to release a new album at the end of the year ; so you will have the whole year to
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Silver Spring, MD - Thursday, January 29, 2004 at 06:56:19 (EST)
Ladies, calm down! Every time somebody mention the name Aristide, the board becomes something like a Wilderbeast stampede in the Serengeti National Park. Aristide is the sworn in President of Haiti, therefore he is one to be held accountable for welfare of Haiti and Haitians. It is now clear that the Lavalas regime does not hold a solution to the "Haitian Crisis". I can see a lot of you are fanatics of the current regime. The fact remains the Lavalas along with Convergence must go, because they are destroying the land. Haiti has never been worst in her entire existence.
Pierre R Torchenot
Columbia, MD - Wednesday, January 28, 2004 at 23:06:14 (EST)
As you see these pictures, keep this in mind: what happens if a funeral becomes a protest march (without prior permission) and starts heading for the National Palace (or White House).
Should there be police to protect the palace? Since, they had to knowledge of the protest.
anonym 5, or maybe 6
- Wednesday, January 28, 2004 at 21:01:54 (EST)
Folks, judge for yourself. The problem with Haitian "discussion" is that we talk alot of sh&*t with no back up. We don't ask for proof, we just accept or reject
Here's what PR should have done. Please check out this link to Paris Match that has the picture that he describes.
http://www.parismatch.com/site/affiche_article.php?id_art=804
map swiv
- Wednesday, January 28, 2004 at 20:23:21 (EST)
This is getting ridiculous... If you don't like Aristide, you will find stories, pictures, jokes, to prove your point. And vice versa. How many pictures can be found of Opposition people harassing and killing innocent people. No one side will win over anyone from the other side.
So, Let's talk solutions and laws.
Folks - Short of "Aristide must go!" what solutions do you see? How can we make sure we're not here again 2 or 3 yrs from now, talking "Apaid must go!"
Michel
Arlington, VA - Wednesday, January 28, 2004 at 20:03:44 (EST)
A few hours ago I received an email from an Echodhaiti.com fam member and a beloved brother. The email title is " Funerailles". In it, is obviously a picture of a dead man named Maxime Desalmour in a coffin. What wasn't so obvious however, is a picture of policemen with weapons dressing like the most sophisticated SWAT team money can put together, harrasing protestors carrying the coffin of their dead fellow student. Now I wasn't shocked or anything, especially with current situation. However, I couldn't help but remember the infamous Serge Beaulieu once said " nap mande pou Aristid ou la mort, yap ba nou Aristid et la mort". His words are nothing short of being a prophecy. I am not trying to be humourous or anything along that along that line, but it seems unfair that group of people who shed their blood for Aristide to put him where is now is the same group whose blood is still sheding, only this time they are on the other side of the fence. Be careful what you wish for, you just might get it.
Maxime, rest in peace. You blood will not shed in vain. The chemically imbalanced Aristide is on his way out
Pierre R Torchenot
columbia, md - Wednesday, January 28, 2004 at 18:16:24 (EST)
Mezanmi poukisa Haiti democracy project pa di Apaid kite lekol ouve nan potoprins. Di chime li yo sispan voye woch sou lekol yo, sou ti moun yo, sispan boule lekol, sispan kraze zafe ti machan yo, sispan kraze vit machin moun. Apaid banou ou ti chans.
Boirond
Boirond
- Monday, January 26, 2004 at 14:08:42 (EST)
M pa tande Smoochees. Kè m sote! Lè m pa wè Smoochees,kè m pa kontan. Se Smoochees atire m la a. Smoochees, di yon mo, souple.
M pa anonym non.
- Monday, January 26, 2004 at 10:14:11 (EST)
Plusieurs milliers de personnes ont manifesté de nouveau ce vendredi à Port-au-Prince, pour plaider en faveur du fonctionnement normal des écoles et des facultés à travers le pays et en faveur du respect du mandat constitutionnel du président Aristide.
Cette manifestation mise en branle devant l'Eglise du Perpétuel Secours dans le quartier populaire du Bel-air, a été réalisée à l'initiative de plueieurs organisations d'étudiants, d'enseignants, d'élèves, d'organisations socio-professionnelles et Populaires.
Les manifestants ont une nouvelle fois dénoncé les responsables la plateforme des 184 qui veulent ont-ils dit, empêcher les écoles de fonctionner au moyen d'actes de vioelence.
L'un des responsables de cette colaition politique, Josué mérilein, avait cité nommément lundi un ensemble d'écoles privées, congréganistes et internationales qui ne doivent pas fonctionner, a-t-il dit, sous peine de représailles, jusqu'au renversement des autorités constitutionnelles.
Un autre responsable de l'opposition, Evans paul, avait appelé pour sa part, à la fermeture des écoles et des hopitaux.
4 écoles ont été incendiées et plusieurs autres lapidées, depuis le lancement de la campagne dite anti-éducation.
Anonym4
- Monday, January 26, 2004 at 10:08:06 (EST)
MEDIA ALERT
HAITI SOLIDARITY RALLY TO BE HELD IN FRONT OF
HAITIAN EMBASSY TO PROTEST VIOLENCE
WHEN: JANUARY 30, 2004
WHERE: EMBASSY OF HAITI, 2311 Massachusetts Ave, Washington, DC
RALLY WILL FINISH AT SHERIDAN CIRCLE (one block from the Embassy)
TIME: 11:30 AM to 3 PM
CONTACT: Terry Thielen, Haiti Democracy Project, 202-258-3364, terry@haitipolicy.org
Arielle Jean-Baptiste, Haiti Democracy Project, 202-588-8700, arielle@haitipolicy.org
Throughout the country, Haitians are stepping out to denounce President Aristide as a despot leading their homeland farther down the path of total economic collapse, poverty, corruption and repression. Students, democratic activists and average citizens are daily attacked with machetes, guns and other weapons by the Haitian National Police (HNP) and pro-Aristide thugs at demonstrations demanding an end to Jean-Bertrand Aristide’s dictatorial regime. At least 46 people have been killed in the violence, and more than 100 wounded since December 2003.
The Haiti Solidarity Rally seeks to support the Haitian people with a call for an end to violence and human rights abuses perpetrated by the Aristide regime and urge international support for a democratic alternative to the current leadership. This will be the first rally in Washington since 1994, when Aristide was returned to Haiti by the United States.
Invited speakers include:
Prof. Pierre Paquiot, Rector of the State University of Haiti. Mr. Paquiot’s legs were broken by HNP during an attack on the university campus Dec. 5, 2003. He is currently receiving medical treatment in New Orleans.
Jean-Robert Faveur, former police chief in Haiti, forced to flee the country after resisting government control and interference of police operations.
Claudy Gassant, Haitian judge forced to flee the country for investigating suspects close to the Aristide regime in the case of slain journalist and Aristide critic, Jean Dominique.
Lolo Beaubrun, lead singer of Boukman Experyans, under threat from the Aristide regime for his pro-democracy stance.
Yvelt, Chery, former Haitian senator from 1995-2001.
Amb. Lawrence A. Pezzullo, special envoy to Haiti from 1993-94 and HDP board member.
The Haiti Solidarity Rally is co-sponsored by the Haiti Democracy Project, Haitian American Nationalists for Democracy (HANDS), League of Overseas Haitian Young Professionals (LIJEHC), and the Agency for the Development of Haiti. It is endorsed by the Coalition in Solidarity with the Haitian People, based in Miami and Groupe de Reflexion in New York.
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Arielle Jean-Baptiste <arielle@haitipolicy.org>
Washington, DC - Sunday, January 25, 2004 at 11:38:01 (EST)
This anonymous business is getting out of hand. I thought almost everyone was anonymous.
anonym3
- Sunday, January 25, 2004 at 08:33:08 (EST)
Anonym, Mwen sonje ki jan Opozisyon wan tap pase Caricom nan tintin paske yo se ban'n ti diplomat noir, yo te menm di ke OEA te tro fèb pou rezoud kriz la se L'ONU ki dwe pran sa en main, Kounie ya ya bo pié CARICOM Ala HEIN
Anonym2
- Saturday, January 24, 2004 at 15:53:36 (EST)
suite a la derniere position des eveques l'ambassadeur americain sous instruction de georges bush est entre en conversation assez muscle avec jb officielment rien n'est encore sorti de cette rencontre mais les rumeurs persistantes disent qu'il est question de negocier son depart, jb souffre depuis quelque jours de graves crises de nerfs. il est devenu un insomniaques dangereux traitant ses collaborateurs avec le plus grand irrespect et la plus total indignite ses moindres propos sont emaille de "foutre" ses proches sont tres tendus a cause de ce comportement violent de leur chef.
anonym
- Saturday, January 24, 2004 at 03:00:34 (EST)
F.Y.I.
Interested in the beauty pageant may now contact miss Vanessa Marcel at :(240)498-9367 or at: nessa127@hotmail.com
Jean Claude Vivens <jcvivens@mris.com>
Wheaton, MD - Friday, January 23, 2004 at 20:36:24 (EST)
Une force internationale pour rétablir l’ordre en Haïti
Posté le 23 janvier 2004
Les pays membres de la CARICOM et d’autres pays de la région seraient prêts à aider à rétablir l’ordre en Haïti...
La Communauté attend l'autorisation des dirigeants haitiens avant d'envoyer une force de maintien de la paix dans le pays,a déclarée vendredi le Premier Ministre Jamaïcain Percival.J. Patterson, à la suite de deux journées de discussion sur la crise haïtienne avec des membres de l’opposition et de la société civile à Nassau (Bahamas), a reporté le journal Jamaica Gleaner. « Il est clair qu’Haïti va avoir besoin de l’aide externe afin de mettre en place la sécurité nécessaire », a indiqué M. Patterson. Cependant, a-t-il ajouté « Nous n’enverrons pas une force d’invasion ». Il a en outre souligné que la CARICOM, le Canada, les Etats-Unis et l’OEA espèraient obtenir l’accord du gouvernement pour une telle assistance. Mr. Patterson, qui assure actuellement la présidence de la CARICOM, a d’autre part appelé le Président Aristide a libéré les prisonniers politiques, à démanteler les gangs armés et les groupes paramilitaries et à assurer la sécurité de tous les Haïtiens. Il a particulièrement exprimé son inquiétude pour le cas de 15 étudiants interpellés depuis le 5 décembre dernier. La proposition de solution de la CARICOM à la crise politique pourrait-être remise dans les prochains jours au Président Aristide par le Premier Ministre des Bahamas M. Perry Christie. Ce dernier est attendu à Port-au-Prince dans les prochaines 48 heures avons-nous appris. M. Patterson Premier ministre de la Jamaïque a indiqué que cette proposition ne demandait pas la démission du Président Aristide comme le réclame l’opposition. « L’opposition et la société civile ont toutefois reconnu qu’il était indispensable de rétablir l’ordre et le calme dans le pays avant la tenue de nouvelles élections législatives. De nouveaux pourparlers seront tenus bientôt à la Jamaïque avec le Président Aristide et des membres du parti Lavalas (au pouvoir). Un rapport sera ensuite présenté à la prochaine session extraordinaire de la CARICOM en mars 2004 à Antigua.
Anonym
- Friday, January 23, 2004 at 20:34:30 (EST)
Here's the location w/phone #: First Haitian Baptist Church:
1501 Columbia Rd Nw
Washington, DC 20009
(202) 332-7510
Rod
Landover, MD - Friday, January 23, 2004 at 12:45:19 (EST)
Where is the First HAitian Baptist church in DC???
chanou
USA - Friday, January 23, 2004 at 12:22:31 (EST)
Yes, what are some haitian churches in the area? All I've heard about is the First Haitian Baptist Congregration churh in DC. Any others?
Rod
Landover, MD - Friday, January 23, 2004 at 12:08:26 (EST)
Hey this is a nice site. I've just relocated to this area from Boston. I am looking for a Haitian church to attend, Any hints/help woulb be great let me know???
Chanou <csimplice@yahoo.com>
greenbelt, MD - Friday, January 23, 2004 at 09:47:48 (EST)
Une occupation d'une force étrangère est prsque inevitable quand on considère qu'on ne veut plus parler de compromis dans la crise haitienne. Je dois aussi ajouter qu'il serait for dificile d'imaginer que cette force serait la république Dominicaine.
Ki DWAM?
- Friday, January 23, 2004 at 08:26:54 (EST)
This is what I read
D'une source crédible venant directement de Washington. Il semblerait que les forces d'armes de la République Dominicaine soient prêtes à établir la paix dans la crise Haïtienne. L'occupation Dominicaine c'est ce dont on parle dans la capitale et les radios dominicaines commentent à ce sujet. Auront- ils la chance de nous faire sentir ce qu'avait fait Jean Pierre Boyer
Anonym
MD - Thursday, January 22, 2004 at 20:32:31 (EST)
"Mirna, you posted "Haitian Solidarity Rally", I am curious Solidarity with whom and for whom or for What?"
Haitian, this is posted on Sakapfet.com, I am not part of the group, since I am from this area, mwen poste'l pou moun ki interese ok...
Mirna
- Thursday, January 22, 2004 at 20:09:52 (EST)
Dimanche 18 Janvier 2003
La rue est blanche de neige donc des exercices a la maison nous aideront quand meme ne serait-ce que pour 10 minutes car d'apres moi c'est important de maintenir cet effort.
Cela m'attriste de voir ce qui se passe en Haiti mais je voudrais vous rappeler que nous avons vecu tant de fois ces experiences dans le passe et que nous devons prier fort et esperer un denouement heureux pour Haiti.
Ce matin en feuilletant un des livres de Dr. Henriot St Gerard, un de nos compagnons de route et de prieres, je me suis retrouvee dans une Haiti connue d'une certaine generation et je voudrais partager avec vous un
extrait d'un petit chapitre.
" Ce passe de notre jeunesse que nous vivons au present a chaque fois que l'occasion s'offre a nous n'est pas du tout bien vu des ti moun alekile (de la presente generation). Pour eux impossible d'imaginer une vie sans
radio, sans television, sans video... et leurs reactions assez souvent pa fe nou plezi (nous deplaisent) car, elles font de nous des stupides.
Les enfants d'aujourd'hui d'Haiti, wi Ayiti pa nou an (oui notre Haiti), n'hesitent pas a s'exclamer; Nou pat manke pa raz (ce que vous vous ennuyiez ); ceux du Canada, francophones a leur facon, ne peuvent s'empecher de commenter: twe la, tu vois que ta vie la etait bien plate; ceux des Etats-Unis, corrompus par la technologie font la grimace: Yack! it was really boring; meme les petits de France trouvent un mot a dire: Oh! nom de Dieu, combien degueulasse!
Ces enfants d'aujourd'hui ne peuvent comprendre combien heureux nous etions malgre les limitations. Pour votre survie sete fe tet ou travay (il fallait faire travailler les meninges) pour trouver de quoi vous amuser.
Rien ne devait etre gaspille; vous etiez des recycleurs professionnels: les souliers usages, dechires te bon pou choute boul (utilises pour jouer a la boule); si usages et trop petits, ils servaient de pantoufle, ou tou senpleman mache sou ranfo a.. (on marchait sur le renfort) Tout vye choset (les vielles chaussettes) allait devenir une boule... tout retay twal ( restes de tissus) servait a fabriquer les fameuses pope boure (poupees de toile) qui devaient etre baptisees.. Vous partiez a la recherche des boites vides de cigarettes Splendid ou Lucky Strikes pour construire des voitures, des camions et meme des dayinaflo qui faisaient appel a toute notre ingenuosite... Vous montiez a cheval sur un bwa bale (balais) ou sur le dos
d'un autre... Les tet kola (les couvercles) etaient suivant les besoins une boule, un ralba, un pion pour le damye (damier), le lido (ludo), le titato (tictacto)... Il y avait aussi les avions et les bateaux en papier...
N'oublions pas le domino, le tcheke (checkers) et le ti pwen ti kwa, denomme plus tard mopyon...
Enfants, vous souhaitez les clairs de lune, c'etait le moment propice pour le lago (hide and seek), le sote kod (le saut a la corde), les trois fois passe la... et aussi pour tirer les contes parce que ou pa tire kont la jounen pou male pa rive-w (on evite de le faire en plein jour pour
eviter un malheur).
Un rien suffisait pou ou fe yon pwogram (avec peu on montait un programme): les messes de quatre heures, les parades militaires, les bals d'enfants, le mardi-gras, les benyen larivye (bains de rivieres), les benyen nan lanme (bains de mer), les benyen nan lapli (bains de pluie), les
promenades en groupe... Les dimanches apres-midi, w'al nankonse sou laplas (concert sur la place). C'etait une vraie partie de plaisir surtout quand etait executee la derniere composition, le plus souvent sur un rythme de
koutdjay, et que tout moun tonbechante, tonbe danse (rythme entrainant et que l'audience chantait et dansait)...Les grosses betises n'etaient pas encore a la mode. Que c'est loin et proche a la fois! "
Ne desesperons pas de la situation d'Haiti car elle reprendra ses forces et son souffle.
Bonne route a vous tous et en chantant s'il vous plait!
Semwen
Glendale, MD - Thursday, January 22, 2004 at 15:25:07 (EST)
Thanks "E" for the info. I hope you had fun in La Vallee. I may take a trip there this summer too, not sure yet.
Mobutoo
Stafford, VA - Thursday, January 22, 2004 at 14:15:37 (EST)
Voici une petite joke:
après une longue nuit d'amour intense, le gars se retourne sur le dos et regarde un peu partout dans la chambre. Il voit la photo encadrée d'un homme sur la table de chevet près du lit. Naturellement, il commence à paniquer.
Est-ce ton époux? » demande-t-il nerveusement. Ben non idiot » répond-elle en se blottissant contre lui. Ton ami alors? » Pas du tout » dit-elle en lui grignotant une oreille. C'est ton père ou ton frère? » dit-il pour se faire rassurer. Bien sûr que non » dit-elle en riant. Qui diable est-ce? » demande le gars perplexe. Calmement, la fille le ramène sur elle, l'enlace fermement dans ses bras et, lui murmure à l'oreille :
C'est moi avant ma chirurgie.
Semwen
Glendale, md - Thursday, January 22, 2004 at 14:10:21 (EST)
I am appalled by the posting of that rally by this foreign group called "haiti democracy project". They are the same people who have contributed in making the country what it is today. We do not need anyone right now who is supporting one side against another. Let me give you an example, you said everywhere in the country people are calling for the Aristide government to go, but at the same time everywhere in the country people are calling for Aristide to finish his term in office such as the more than 50,000 who demonstrated yesterday in Port-au-Prince. Aristide's partisans are involved in violent acts as well as partisans of the opposition. What we need is dialogue and haitians to sit together and to go to elections in order to see which one is really popular. We do not need any more division in the society. If we can put all that effort to overthrow Aristide to help for the betterment of the common haitian, we would have been far ahead. Aristide is not the only one to blame. We have to look at a lot other people including opposition groups. We do not need a rally here and I don't support it and will not go.
Calixte
Calixte
- Thursday, January 22, 2004 at 14:10:19 (EST)
Sorry, there were supposed to be pics attached to my first posting, but I guess this was not possible!!!
Special Reporter
- Thursday, January 22, 2004 at 14:05:07 (EST)
THIS FRIDAY.....
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IT'S A GLOW PARTY, WEAR WHITE SO YOU CAN GLOW ALL NIGHT WITH YOUR HAITIAN BROTHERS AND SISTERS...
IT'S ONLY 5$ IF YOU ARE WEARING WHITE AND 7$ IF YOU ARE NOT.
ALSO COME OUT TO PARTY WITH Dj. VERSATILE/ MAX WHO IS GOING AWAY FOR 5 MONTHS ON TOUR FOR HIS ALBUM THAT JUST CAME OUT.
IF INTERESTED INTO BUYING THIS ALBUM, PLEASE CALL:
(240)421-1723 OR (240)423-4958
PEACE AND LOVE
LOVELY HAITIAN SISTA
MD USA - Thursday, January 22, 2004 at 14:05:02 (EST)
Special Report - An extremely painful comparative analysis of lives By Yves A. Isidor
Slightly less than four months from now, or on January 1, 2004, Haiti will shamefully, and extremely so, celebrate what many, both Haitians and non-Haitians, loudly consider to be regarded as 200 years of birth, marked by extreme suffering, dictatorship, kleptocracy, as also reflected in the Caribbean nation voluminous catalogue of evil.
Why not 200 years of independence? Of one thing reasonable people cannot disagree about that Haiti (by any measure one of the poorest nations on earth) has been occupied twice by the United States, and it would be better for those who continue to lend credence to the contention that Haiti will soon catharticly celebrate its bicentenary of independence to alternately conclude it will celebrate 200 years of its largely interrupted independence, 200 years of its troubled history, to be precise.
Jean-Bertrand Aristide (the psychopath is neither attractive, nor physically striking, and is said to have suffered from severe malnutrition in the early years of his rural life), of course, the latest perennial and uncommonly vicious tyrant to be, has ultimately led Haiti to self-annihilation of late, as the extremely unpleasant state of affairs, social conditions for example, in the Caribbean nation suggests.
Long considered a continuing and growing major threat to United States' national security, presumably since he is seriously committed to sympathize with terrorists, to traffic in narcotics, by proxy, with the U.S. as one of his major markets, the little man Aristide, who is known to have indirectly organized perilous voyages of Haitian boat people (flood of refugees) to Florida from Haiti, and this in an effort to, hopefully, force the George W. Bush's administration to give his de facto government millions of dollars in foreign aid, even causing the president to lose the next presidential election, though scheduled to be held in November 2004, as was the case on October 29, 2002 when more than 220 Haitian boat people (The October 29, 2002 tragedy) landed in Florida while his brother, Jeb Bush, was arduously working the campaign trail to remain in the governor's mansion, sure enjoys an ultra-luxury quality of life - not bad at all for a man still of pronounced Marxist tendencies who was born in a mud hut and grew up dirt-poor in the Haiti remote village of Beaulieu, not the provincial town of Port-Salut, as he always claims.
Of course, what is true for an honest man is not true for Aristide. By way of alternative, a straight line connects Aristide (many say he also traffics in fantasy and hypocrisy) to an ultra-pathological liar, if not a grand thief, too.
"The cold beer will soon be awaiting you; the hot barbecue will be there for you in the near term," firebrand Aristide long ago and repeatedly thereafter memorably promised the vast majority of Haitians, whose abject poverty defines their daily lives.
What else, you wonder, Big Man, in internationally accepted uses of the term, Aristide promised the vast majority of Haitians who not long ago finally turned to God (Haitians pray) for help, a manifestation of despair?
"Oh, don't forget about the super highways" - only less than three of the 1,000 kilometers of new roads Aristide promised to be built in the late 90s were ever built with the help of the World Bank - "that I will soon build for you, in fact better than those in the U.S.; and I swear a thousand times ... two thousand times ... ten thousand times; this is what your new material conditions will be like in the near future; you men and women may now start contracting marriage; couples will soon be able to take a walk on the highways as if they each were the equivalent of two lovely birds and, sure Haiti will soon be a nice country... no more signs of an eroding quality of life that threats not only you Haitians but the land of this nation."
Did he deliver the vast majority of Haitians from dehumanizing poverty, even those in the lower lower social class (measured as a combination of occupation, income, education, wealth, and other x independent variables, sometimes referred to as explanatory variables, because of their role in explaining the variability in the dependent variable y, also predictor variables, because of their role in predicting y) were absorbed, at least, into the working class, the (y) dependent variable?
If one thinks of tyrant Aristide as a man who lived up to his promises, the case for trusting a lawyer, thanks to his convincing words, to operate on a patient, or a blind person teaching someone how to drive an automobile, would really not be weak. Only him and a few cronies managed to climb to the upper upper echelons of Haitian economic respectability, from the upper middle-class, by virtue of corruption, engaging in the pillage of Haiti's public treasury, for example.
Visualize the ultra-luxury quality of life of Aristide and the material conditions of the vast majority of Haitians
Ruthless, brutal and lethal dictator Jean-Bertrand Aristide, who have murdered an innumerable number of Haitians, mainly his own critics, his wife Mildred and partners in crime material conditions of extra-luxury nature, which certainly contradicts Aristide's contention that he "would rather perish,"at the very least economically, "without the extremely poor Haitians than succeeding without them."
Today, the social divide, the economic divide - to paraphrase the words of New York Times' Tim Weiner in a September 5, 2003 article, dealing with the sorrows of Liberia, the poorest nation on earth, if one is to lend credence to a recent review of government records and an investigation by United Nations' experts - runs so deep that it is like a geologic fault in the earth of the small Caribbean nation of Haiti. (Please see photographs below)
The unbelievable quality of life of dirt-poor nature of the vast majority of Haitians, whom rapacious Aristide told communism would save from capitalism, promised to deliver from abject poverty, only to not long ago once again defrauded millions of them, via a co-operative scheme. Millions of Haitians, as reported by The New York Times on July 20, 2002, too (A get-rich scheme collapses, leaving Haiti even poorer), lost their hard-earned life savings - more than U.S. $220 million.
Adding kidnapping and severe beating to grand robbery, many of the victims, including Rosemond Jean, were later kidnapped and tortured by Aristide's narco-thugs for solely demanding that thief Aristide, as they repeatedly called him during public protests, reimburse them. (Please see photographs below)
Do I, Jean-Bertrand Aristide, care about the dirt-poor Haitians? Sure, I do. See, see: you can't compare the estates, right, that I, pesky, devious totalitarian dictator, have built for them to my simple house and reasonable price chair. (AP Photo/Daniel Morel)
What do you think? The estates built for the dirt-poor Haitians by tyrant Jean-Bertrand Aristide. Prettier than Aristide's simple house, left. (AP Photo/Daniel Morel)
The daily lives of dirt-poor Haitians, crushing poverty. (AP Photo/Daniel Morel
Uncommonly vicious tyrant Jean-Bertrand Aristide in his ultra-luxury office at the Haitian national palace.
STAND ALONE PHOTO PACKAGE**A wheelbarrow holding produce sits in polluted waters in Port-au-Prince's sprawling market known as Crois-des-Bossales, Sept. 3, 2003. Built where the country's main slave market stood and where many of Haiti's descendants first arrived, now the market is a teeming, polluted mass of vendors and an acute image of the country's crushing poverty. (AP Photo/Gregory Bull)
Notorious, corrupt dictator Jean-Bertrand Aristide's palace.
STAND ALONE PHOTO PACKAGE **Elise Dunwell passes food vendors and piles of rotting waste in Port-au-Prince's sprawling market known as Croix-des-Bossales, Wednesday, Sept. 3, 2003. (AP Photo/Gregory Bull)
Monstrous Jean-Bertrand Aristide's fleet of luxurious SUVs and one of his many expensive helicopters. (AP/Photo Daniel Morel)
The dirt-poor Haitians fleet of SUVs. "Not time yet for them to have their own fleet of helicopters, but pretty soon, I, Jean-Bertrand Aristide, promise. In fact, I will also purchase them an expensive jet, but first they must successfully complete their aviation education." (AP Photo/Daniel Morel)
STAND ALONE PHOTO PACKAGE**Shoppers pass a stand selling refreshments in Port-au-Prince's sprawling market known as Croix-des-Bossales, Sept. 2, 2003.(AP Photo/Gregory Bull)
THE NOTORIOUS CRIMINALS - De facto premier Yvon Neptune, front row, left, Aristide's wife Mildred Trouillot-Aristide, center, and radical leftist Jean-Bertrand Aristide. Men of the White race, back row, left, are two of the 60 or so U.S. citizens hired via a California private security firm at a cost of more than US $9 million annually to help guarantee criminal Aristide's personal security and that of his family while nearly all Haitians continue to experience on a daily basis grinding poverty.
STAND ALONE PHOTO PACKAGE**Imacula Mura, right, 40, balances a basket of charcoal for sale in Port-au-Prince's sprawling market known as Croix-des-Bossales, Sept. 2, 2003. Mura has sold charcoal all her life and comes from generations of charcoal sellers, for which there is always a market in Haiti, and the profits are never enough. (AP Photo/Gregory Bull)
One of hell-sent dictator Jean-Bertrand Aristide's ultra-luxury conference rooms, at the Haitian national palace.
STAND ALONE PHOTO PACKAGE** People shop for used clothing in Port-au-Prince's sprawling market known as Croix-des-Bossales, Sept. 2, 2003. (AP Photo/Gregory Bull)
NICE CHAIRS, only for us. King Jean-Bertrand Aristide, right, who grew up dirt-poor and bourgeois de souche (by birth) wife Mildred Trouillot-Aristide. (AP Photo/Daniel Morel)
STAND ALONE PHOTO PACKAGE**A woman searches for edible lettuce as a pig does the same in Port-au-Prince's sprawling market known as Croix-des-Bossales, Sept. 3, 2003. (AP Photo/Gregory Bull)
Alleged druglord and avowed anti-United States Jean-Bertrand Aristide, left, with wife Mildred Trouillot-Aristide. Many say she has prostituted her class for narco-dollars. (AP Photo/Daniel Morel)
STAND ALONE PHOTO PACKAGE** Andres Aniluis, 40, loads a truck with sacks of grain in front of Port-au-Prince's sprawling market known as Croix-des-Bossales, Sept. 2, 2003. (AP Photo/Gregory Bull)
The ultra-luxury mansion of Haitian drug kingpin Jacques Beaudouin Kétant, a narco-business partner of corrupt and uncommonly totalitarian dictator Jean-Bertrand Aristide. Kétant, the godfather of monstrous Aristide's youngest daughter, Michaelle Aristide, was on June 17, 2003 taken out of the circulation in tight handcuffs by U.S. marshals and Drug Enforcement Agents (DEA), in Haiti. He has since been in a Miami Federal jail cell. He pleaded guilty to a series of charges, the vast majority of them trafficking in narcotics, Thursday, August 28, 2003 during an appearance before a Federal judge, in Miami, and vowed not to perish by himself by revealing the names of accomplices - the vast majority of them senior de facto Haitian officials, including Aristide. (AP Photo/Daniel Morel)
STAND LONE PHOTO PACKAGE **Ariel Bigio lifts a block of ice as he makes a delivery from his wheelbarrow in Port-au-Prince, Haiti, Tuesday, Sept. 2, 2003, as the Caribbean summer sunshine continues to bake the country. (AP Photo/Gregory Bull)
Neo-bourgeois Jean-Bertrand Aristide, left, and wife Mildred Trouillot-Aristide. (AP Photo/Daniel Morel)
Women and children dig for brackish water to use for washing near Limonade, Haiti, on Thursday, Jul. 25, 2002. (AP Photo/Daniel Morel)
From left to right, de facto premier Yvon Neptune, Mildred Trouillot-Aristide, and murderer Jean-Bertrand Aristide. Are they all asking God to pardon them for their odious crimes against the Haitian people?
STAND ALONE PHOTO PACKAGE **A woman chants through a megaphone that is turned off, left, as others pray holding pictures of loved ones at the God is Love Pentecostal Church in Port-au-Prince, Haiti, Wednesday, Sept. 4, 2003. Carrying pictures, passports and immigration papers, many who come to this tiny chapel are the family members left behind by Haitian immigrants in the United States, asking for a little help from God to get through the complicated web of United States immigration law. (AP Photo/Gregory Bull)
Pathological liar Jean-Bertrand Aristide, center. Man, far left, is one of the 60 or so Secret Service agents hired via a California private security firm, at a cost of more than U.S. $9 million annually, to guarantee his private security and that of his family, including wife Mildred Trouillot-Aristide, right. (AP Photo/Daniel Morel)
A man pulling a cart full of produce walks past rows of paintings for sale in downtown Port-au-Prince, Haiti, Friday, Sept. 5, 2003. (AP Photo/Gregory Bull)
An ultra-luxury mansion housing BIG TIMES crook Jean-Bertrand Aristide's de facto premier and notorious brigand Yvon Neptune's office. Plots to murder freedom fighters are also discussed and finalized there, while a large number of Haitians are forced to sleep on the streets and on trash-infested pig and dog fecal material, causing many of them to implore God photo, right, to help them flee hell Haiti for the United States, hopefully, putting an end to their extreme suffering.
STAND ALONE PHOTO PACKAGE **Vnus Caseuis holds pictures of a daughter living in Florida as she chants and prays for her well-being at the God is Love Pentecostal Church in Port-au-Prince, Haiti, Wednesday, Sept. 4, 2003. Carrying pictures, passports, and immigration papers, many who come to this tiny chapel are the family members left behind by Haitian immigrants in the United States, asking for a little help from God to get through the complicated web of United States immigration law. (AP Photo/Gregory Bull)
NICE SUIT, ONLY FOR ME, NOT FOR YOU FILTHY, DIRT-POOR AND ILLITERATE HAITIANS - All Satan Jean-Bertrand Aristide does is claiming to be president of Haiti. He has done absolutely nothing to even alleviate the lives of the vast majority of dirt-poor Haitians. Tired of repeated lies that have become like a broken record, a large number of Haitians have long turned to God (photo, right), hoping he will help them flee Haiti for the United States. (AP Photo Daniel Morel)
STAND ALONE PHOTO PACKAGE **Leohise Baubrum, 75, right, holds her passport and pictures of two daughters living in the United States as she prays at the God is Love Pentecostal Church in Port-au-Prince, Haiti, Wednesday, Sept. 4, 2003. Carrying pictures, passports, and immigration papers, many who come to this tiny chapel are the family members left behind by Haitian immigrants in the United States, asking for a little help from God to get through the complicated web of United States immigration law. At left, Marie Therese Felisme prays for her family. (AP Photo/Gregory Bull)
A boy spraypaints graffiti on the walls of the Organization of American States (OAS) compound in Port-au-Prince, Haiti, Thursday, Sept. 4, 2003. To his right reads, 'down with Aristide.' A group of nearly 100 protesters chanted slogans and gave speeches Thursday, calling on the OAS to denounce the Aristide government. (AP Photo/Gregory Bull)
Special Reporter
- Thursday, January 22, 2004 at 14:03:51 (EST)
Mirna, you posted "Haitian Solidarity Rally", I am curious Solidarity with whom and for whom or for What?
Haitian
Haitian
- Thursday, January 22, 2004 at 13:44:21 (EST)
Mobutoo,
Tout moun byen, tonton "O" te malad, li te fe 2 jou nan lopital lan...he is home with his family now...Thanks for asking...
"E"
- Thursday, January 22, 2004 at 13:15:18 (EST)
By: Haiti Democracy Project - 01/22/2004
HAITI SOLIDARITY RALLY TO BE HELD IN FRONT OF
WHEN: JANUARY 30, 2004
WHERE: EMBASSY OF HAITI, 2311
Massachusetts Ave, Washington, DC
RALLY WILL FINISH AT SHERIDAN CIRCLE (one block from the Embassy)
TIME: 11:30 AM to 3 PM
CONTACT: Terry Thielen, Haiti Democracy Project, 202-258-3364, terry@haitipolicy.org
Arielle Jean-Baptiste, Haiti Democracy Project, 202-588-8700, Arielle@haitipolicy.org
Throughout the country, Haitians are protesting the government of President Aristide which they accuse of leading their homeland farther down the path of economic collapse, poverty, corruption and repression. Students, democratic activists and average citizens are being attacked almost daily by the Haitian National Police (HNP) and pro-Aristide thugs with machetes, guns and other weapons at demonstrations demanding an end to Jean-Bertrand Aristide’s regime. At least 46 people have been killed in the violence, and more than 100 wounded since December 2003.
The Haiti Solidarity Rally seeks to support the Haitian people with a call for an end to violence and human rights abuses perpetrated by the Aristide regime and urge international support for a democratic alternative to the current leadership. This will be the first rally in Washington since 1994, when Aristide was returned to Haiti by the United States.
Invited speakers include:
Prof. Pierre Paquiot, Rector of the State University of Haiti. Mr. Paquiot’s legs were broken by HNP during an attack on the university campus Dec. 5, 2003. He is currently receiving medical treatment in New Orleans.
Jean-Robert Faveur, former police chief in Haiti, forced to flee the country after resisting government control and interference of police operations.
Claudy Gassant, Haitian judge forced to flee the country for investigating suspects close to the Aristide regime in the case of slain journalist and Aristide critic, Jean Dominique.
Lolo Beaubrun, lead singer of Boukman Experyans, under threat from the Aristide regime for his pro-democracy stance.
Yvelt, Chery, former Haitian senator from 1995-2001.
Amb. Lawrence A. Pezzullo, special envoy to Haiti from 1993-94 and Haiti Democracy Project board member.
The Haiti Solidarity Rally is co-sponsored by the Haiti Democracy Project, Haitian American Nationalists for Democracy (HANDS), League of Overseas Haitian Young Professionals (LIJEHC), and the Agency for the Development of Haiti. It is endorsed by the Coalition in Solidarity with the Haitian People, based in Miami, and Groupe de Reflexion in New York. - Article No. 20040122125219
Mirna
- Thursday, January 22, 2004 at 13:12:06 (EST)
Yopran'm, koman "E" kité moun yo dèyè-a?
Mobutoo
Stafford, VA - Thursday, January 22, 2004 at 12:59:47 (EST)
Pierr Richard, at least, you are posting some very good information on the board that a lot of us can benefit from, not for people who are not interested in educating themselves. Please, keep them coming. Agimal, my brother, we go way back; a lot of new comers or some who've been here in this community long enough do not know, what musicians and others who have strived and stuggled trying to build some type of steady entertainment or business have been through. Pierre Richard and Agimal, you both know what I'm talking about, so, do not pay any attention to misinformers. Therefore, an-nou eseye monte pi wo pandan zot ap radote.
Le Plus Haut
White Oak, Md - Thursday, January 22, 2004 at 11:58:18 (EST)
Any of the Echodhaiti.com family members from Spring Valley NY? I am looking to get in touch with a very well known gentleman in that area name Jean Clement. Anyone one with a possible way to get in contact with him, your help is appreciated.
Pierre R Torchenot
Columbia, MD - Thursday, January 22, 2004 at 09:45:07 (EST)
Agimal.....do your thing babe. Pa okipe hater yo. Ave'w map mache.....map tan trankil
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- Thursday, January 22, 2004 at 08:38:08 (EST)
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Irvington, nj - Wednesday, January 21, 2004 at 21:32:24 (EST)
a renmen al nan Kanaval ak Smoochees pou n al degaje nou.
Ban m Smoochees
- Wednesday, January 21, 2004 at 20:35:10 (EST)
agimal washington se pou rou kale dada'w jan ou vle
map tan diaz la
monique
washington , dc - Wednesday, January 21, 2004 at 20:30:25 (EST)
Mapdi,
The irony in this is, I posted an entry, Observer wrote an entry expressing his sentiments, Map swiv came in to back him up, you expressed your sentiments in my favor, and here I am reponsding the comments. All this, for one entry. And yet he is ranting about taking space. If we add all these posts together, the end result would take as much space or close to it. Observer and Map swiv, how about pretzel? You must be a Bush sympathizer.
Pierre R Torchenot
Columbia, MD - Wednesday, January 21, 2004 at 19:44:39 (EST)
"I've enjoyed this HAITIAN website, b/c it is just that HAITIAN...
Posting George Bush's "resume," or buy "black stamps" can be done on thousands of American or African-American websites.
Resume: how about helping newly come Haitians with theirs.
Black Stamps: How about Toussaint on a stamp or How about "stamping" out the opposition or lavalas. What ever you want, but let's keep true to Haiti, cause she needs us now."
Observer,
If I understand correctly, information on Echodhaiti.com should only reflect the interest of Haiti? You express yourself quite well in english.
Pierre R Torchenot
Columbhia, MD - Wednesday, January 21, 2004 at 19:27:29 (EST)
Map di ban'm di'w ké mwen renmen'w tou- Just like I love those who love me, I also have love for those who don't love me.
Now boss papa or boss manman let me tell you that Trankill is Agimal little project meaning the money, the time, the contacts, the ads, the shows,the name,the logo,the meetings, the "micro",the contracts, from A to Z.It's my little project. Over the years I have been a member of other groups,but this one is my baby.Therefore pa guen you jazz kap fèt, sé AGIMAL kap fè you jazz.Si ou men'm ou vlé fè jazz ou ak lagen paw pou Agimal pa ladan'l ou mèt fè jazz ou,en attendan map TRAVAIL DU.
If you feel that you are too good to support me or if I'm not good enough for your support that's OK too.However I'm doing it because so many fans and friends are asking me to do it-people who beleive in me,trust me,and love me.
So mapdi- BAN'M DI'W - lè jazz la soti ou guen dé chwa chéri(e) vini dansé ou bien rété chita lacay ou- Achté cd ou bien kenbé kob ou nan poch ou.
Paské wè pa wè antèman pou katrè.
So much for haters in our country - don't start it here with Trankill.
In the 70's there was a singer here who used to perform at a club call "Versuvio" in Adelphy MD,people used to make fun of him they call him "Amada" because he had trouble singing the spanish song Amada Amante.This community completely rejected him.That man moved to Florida where he became and still is the singer of "Top Vice".His name is Frédy for your record.
The lesson for the day is:
"les gouts et les couleurs ne se disputent pas".
En creole: toute sa'k pa bon pou you'n li bon pou you lot.
Jazz la renmen nou.
Jean Claude Vivens <jcvivens@mris.com>
Wheaton, MD - Wednesday, January 21, 2004 at 18:45:39 (EST)
Guys, we need to take it easy on this website. It's not
here for you all to shoot at each other. I would think
instead, it's here for us to inform each other. In fact,
instead of shooting, try to make the best or get the best
out of each other's saying. Right now, we need to focus
and analyze the situation from left and right to see who
the bad guys really are: is it Aristide and company or the
Opposition people.
Le Plus Haut
Beltsville, MD - Wednesday, January 21, 2004 at 18:32:16 (EST)
I understand Observer. You all can provide the link to a site, without posting these long unrelated posts.
As for the CARICOM thing, it is a shame.
map swiv
- Wednesday, January 21, 2004 at 18:27:12 (EST)
Pierre, you got my support. This needs to be posted everywhere. Not that we are not concerned with Haiti but we also have to be concerned with what is going on around us especially here in the US. Post it again Pierre.
Mapdi
Mapdi
- Wednesday, January 21, 2004 at 17:08:48 (EST)
I've enjoyed this HAITIAN website, b/c it is just that HAITIAN...
Posting George Bush's "resume," or buy "black stamps" can be done on thousands of American or African-American websites.
Resume: how about helping newly come Haitians with theirs.
Black Stamps: How about Toussaint on a stamp or How about "stamping" out the opposition or lavalas. What ever you want, but let's keep true to Haiti, cause she needs us now.
Other Caribbean leaders are right now meeting with the opposition to resolve OUR problem. HOW EMBARASSING !!!!!!!The same opposition who won't sit with the Haitian government.
observer
- Wednesday, January 21, 2004 at 16:34:27 (EST)
US Post Office to destroy African American StampsThurgood >Marshall, Roy Wilkins, Langston Hughes, Zora Neale Hurston, Patricia Roberts >Harris are all on these stamps. Please forward this and buy a book of our stamps >ASAP.
The Post Office will DESTROY all remaining African American Heritage >stamps at the end of the month instead of following their usual procedure of selling them until they are depleted.Why? Because we're not buying them!
However, >our postal workers are asking patrons to complain to the Post Master, via a >complaintform. Please ask for and complete the form (at the post office). > >Skip the love, flag, rose or teddy- bear stamps that they
offer you >automatically, request African-American stamps every time. If we don't buy them, nobody >will. We need to keep the little things that we do get.Please send this email >to all your friends so we can keep BLACK STAMPS
in circulation!!!!
Semwen
Glendale, MD - Wednesday, January 21, 2004 at 16:12:13 (EST)
Observer,
Which entry(ies) are you refering to?
Pierre R Torchenot
Columbia, MD - Wednesday, January 21, 2004 at 15:15:50 (EST)
P-R,
You've wasted some valuable space that could have been used, by you even, to talk about the plight or the culture of our nation.
Take it to heart before responding...
observer
- Wednesday, January 21, 2004 at 14:12:53 (EST)
RESUME
George W. Bush
The White House, USA
EDUCATION AND EXPERIENCE
* LAW ENFORCEMENT: I was arrested in Kennebunkport, Maine in 1976 for
driving under the influence of alcohol. I pled guilty, paid a fine, and had
my driver's license suspended for 30 days. My Texas driving record has
been "lost" and is not available.
* MILITARY: I joined the Texas Air National Guard and went AWOL. I refused
to take a drug test or answer any questions about my drug use. By joining
the Texas Air National Guard, I was able to avoid combat duty in Vietnam.
* COLLEGE: I graduated from Yale University. I was a cheerleader.
PAST WORK EXPERIENCE:
* I ran for U.S. Congress and lost.
* I began my career in the oil business in Midland, Texas in 1975. I bought
an oil company, but couldn't find any oil in Texas. The company went
bankrupt shortly after I sold all my stock.
* I bought the Texas Rangers baseball team in a sweetheart deal that took
land using taxpayer money.
* With the help of my father and our right-wing friends in the oil industry
(including Enron CEO Ken Lay), I was elected Governor of Texas.
ACCOMPLISHMENTS AS GOVERNOR:
* I changed Texas pollution laws to favor power and oil companies, making
Texas the most polluted state in the Union.
* During my tenure, Houston replaced Los Angeles as the most smog-ridden
city in America.
* I cut taxes and bankrupted the Texas treasury to the tune of billions in
borrowed money.
* I set the record for the most executions by any Governor in American
history.
* With the help of my brother, the Governor of Florida, and my father's
appointments to the Supreme Court, I became President after losing by over
500,000 votes.
ACCOMPLISHMENTS AS PRESIDENT:
* I invaded and occupied two countries at a continuing cost of over one
billion dollars per week.
* I spent the U.S. surplus and effectively bankrupted the U.S. Treasury.
* I shattered the record for the largest annual deficit in U.S. history.
* I set an economic record for most private bankruptcies filed in any
12-month period.
* I set the all-time record for the biggest drop in the history of the U.S.
stock market.
* I am the first president in U.S. history to enter office with a criminal
record.
* I set the all-time record for most days on vacation in any one year
period.
* After taking-off the entire month of August, I presided over the worst
security failure in U.S. history.
* I am supporting development of a nuclear "Tactical Bunker Buster," a WMD.
* In my State Of The Union Address, I lied about our reasons for attacking
Iraq, then blamed the lies on our British friends.
* I set the record for most campaign fund-raising trips by a U.S.
president.
* In my first year in office over 2-million Americans lost their jobs and
that trend continues every month.
* I set the all-time record for most foreclosures in a 12-month period.
* I appointed more convicted criminals to administration than any president
in U.S. history.
* I set the record for least amount of press conferences than any president
since the advent of television.
* I presided over the biggest energy crisis in U.S. history and refused to
intervene when corruption involving the oil industry was revealed.
* I presided over the highest gasoline prices in U.S. history.
* I have cut health care benefits for war veterans and support a cut in
duty benefits for active duty troops and their families-in war time.
* I have set the all-time record for most people worldwide to
simultaneously protest me in public venues (15 million people) shattering
the record for
protest against any person in the history of mankind.
* I've broken more international treaties than any president in U.S.
history.
* I'm proud that the members of my cabinet are the richest of any
administration in U.S. history. My "poorest millionaire," Condoleezza Rice,
has a Chevron oil tanker named after her.
* I am the first president in U.S. history to order an unprovoked,
pre-emptive attack and the military occupation of a sovereign nation. I did
so against
the will of the United Nations, the majority of U.S. citizens, and the world
community.
* I created the Ministry of Homeland Security, the largest bureaucracy in
the history of the United States government.
* I am the first president in U.S. history to have the United Nations
remove the U.S. from the Human Rights Commission.
* I withdrew the U.S. from the World Court of Law.
* I refused to allow inspectors access to U.S. prisoners of war (detainees)
and thereby have refused to abide by the Geneva Convention.
* I am the first president in history to refuse United Nations election
inspectors (during the 2002 U.S. election).
* I am the all-time U.S. and world record-holder for receiving the most
corporate campaign donations.
* My largest lifetime campaign contributor, and one of my best friends,
Kenneth Lay, presided over the largest corporate bankruptcy fraud in U.S.
history. My political party used the Enron private jets and corporate
attorneys to assure my success with the U.S. Supreme Court during my
election decision. I have protected my friends at Enron and Halliburton
against
investigation or prosecution. More time and money was spent investigating
the Monica Lewinsky affair than has been spent investigating one of the
biggest
corporate rip-offs in history.
* I garnered the most sympathy for the U.S. after the World Trade Center
attacks and less than a year later made the U.S. the most hated country in
the world, the largest failure of diplomacy in world history.
* I am first president in history to have a majority of Europeans (71%)
view my presidency as the biggest threat to world peace and security.
* I changed the U.S. policy to allow convicted criminals to be awarded
government contracts.
* I have so far failed to fulfill my pledge to bring Osama Bin Laden to justice.
RECORDS AND REFERENCES:
* All records of my tenure as Governor of Texas are now in my father's
library, sealed, and unavailable for public view.
* All records of SEC investigations into my insider trading and my bankrupt
companies are sealed in secrecy and unavailable for public view.
* All records or minutes from meetings that I, or my Vice-President,
attended regarding public energy policy are sealed in secrecy and
unavailable for
public review
Post Extras:
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Pierre Richard Torchenot
Columbia, md - Wednesday, January 21, 2004 at 13:21:42 (EST)
uo sel bagay mwen ta swete ke agimal pa chante ep pa pran micro nan jazz kap fet la. Kom mwen tande se ou seri de moun ki fek vin nan Kominote-a, donk yo pa kon istwa bagay yo pa bos isit.
Mapdi
Mapdi
- Wednesday, January 21, 2004 at 11:40:34 (EST)
Kojo Nambi from WAMU will be discussing the plight of Haiti 200 years after the first successful slave revolution in the Western Hemisphere today (01/21/04). Talk of the Nation with Kojo Nambi can be heard in the Washington DC metropolitan area on 88.5 FM Starting at 1:00 PM weekdays. You can also catch it on WAMU.ORG on the web.
Manze
- Wednesday, January 21, 2004 at 09:14:44 (EST)
"tout jwèt se jwèt Kanaval pa nan politik"
Ki dwam.....ave'w map mache. Mwen dako ave'w san pou san. Nan kisa yap esaye foure kanaval la. Banm la pe tet mwen tande. Kanaval potoprins se yon tradisyon li ye. Why kill it? Se pa sa kap fe peyi a chanje non. Al esaye di pep la NO KANAVAL THIS YEAR. Yap mande'w ki lang wap pale avek yo la. Moun kap pale yo se pe yo pe desan potoprins. Yap vin pran pretex peyi a tet anba, moun ap mouri, moun ap soufri. Alo se premye fwa sa fet ayiti? TWWWIIIPPPPP!!!
Ki jodia nap mouri. Se pa jenm enpeche kanaval fet chak ane. Nap boycot pou kanaval ayiti pendan se tan nap pwograme pou kanaval miami. ALA!!!
18 fevrier mwen anba a. Sak pwale yo swiv mwen.....lol
smoochees
- Wednesday, January 21, 2004 at 08:52:58 (EST)
1)Haitiens Miami yo ap fè you kanaval le 29 Février avec gwo jazz yo T.Vice- Mikey-Djakout- Konpa Kréol-ban'n a pié et la triyé ak jazz brézilien pou soulagé la diaspora.
2)Trankill ( jazz La) ap travay rèd pou ba nou bèl mizik-répétition solid pou album nan avec bal yo malgré frédi ya rèd pou nèg ki fèk soti Haiti yo.
3)pou pagent la rélé miss Marce nan:240-498-9367
4)Map palé avec you compayi ki pou van'n nou nouvèl yo pou "Haiti Suivre".Pa gen sponsor ki ka péyé nouvèl yo dépi Birds Travel fèmen. Map péyé premié mwa,si nou vlé sipoté na voyé donation nou sou JCV PRODUCTIONS INC nan JCV po.box 2887 Silver Spring Md 20915 pou émission an, pou nou ka gen image sa kap pasé lakay. Si ou pa gen cable nou ka toujou fè you copy k-7 emmission an pou ka wè ak dé jé paw sa kap pasé.
MWEN RENMEN NOU TOUTE ANPIL.
Jean Claude Vivens <jcvivens@mris.com>
Wheaton, MD - Tuesday, January 20, 2004 at 21:04:19 (EST)
Pierre,
sitiasyon led vre wi, men ou vacabon tankou aristid merite monin pyes li. sa ou seme, se sa ou recolte.
Kidonk, haiti ap oblige transfome an you peyi chime, pou li ka mete aristid chef chime a deyo. si se pa sa yo fe, aristid pap jam ale. Aristid pa arive konpran ke moun yo pa vle li anko. li se yon moun ki renmen deblozay. mwen mem panse ke li ap beneficie de sitiasyon peyi a jan li ye a. paske misie ka kenbe pouwa men apre tan li yan jiskas ke genyen you elecsyon nan peyi a. Aristid se yon san clas, sa vle di ke mem si la le devan gouvene lot peyi nan condisyon sa, li beneficie kan men. Li pa gen anken volonte pou li fe elecsyon lib. Se sa ki fe li tap eseye change knstitisyon an. Aristid ap agi tankou yon lavalas nan peyi ya. Li ap pote tout moun de vale ale swa lotbo dlo swa nan simitye.
anonym
- Tuesday, January 20, 2004 at 18:46:08 (EST)
Countries such as St Lucia, Bahamas, Trinida & Tobaga, and Jamaica are now "mediators" in peace talk to help resolve Haiti problems.
nou gen tan malprop. Pou kisa Apaid, Aristid, Lavalas, Oposisyon pa fout mouri bay payi ou chans. ou bamn vaut rien.
Caricom PMs to meet Haiti opposition tomorrow
BY RICKEY SINGH
Observer Caribbean correspondent
Port-au-Prince, Haiti - A policeman detains a man that was allegedly throwing stones at anti-Aristide demonstrators in Port-au-Prince yesterday. About 4,000 anti-Aristide protestors marched yesterday demanding the resignation of Haiti's President Jean Bertrand Aristide. (Photo: AP)
BRIDGETOWN, Barbados - Jamaica's prime minister, P J Patterson, will this week lead a delegation of four Caribbean heads of government in two days of talks with Haiti's Opposition and civil society representatives as the Caribbean Community tries to resolve that country's political crisis.
The meeting, to be held in The Bahamas tomorrow and Wednesday, will also be attended by prime ministers Perry Christie of The Bahamas (host); Kenny Anthony of St Lucia and Patrick Manning of Trinidad and Tobago.
Representatives of President George Bush of the United States; Prime Minister Paul Martin of Canada; as well as a representative of the secretary-general of the Organisation of American States (OAS), Cesar Gaviria, will attend as observers.
This latest initiative to find an urgent solution to the deteriorating political crisis in Haiti follows a meeting held with President Jean Bertrand Aristide by Caricom leaders in Monterrey, Mexico, during the two-day Special Summit of the Americas last week.
Patterson, the chairman of Caricom, had told Aristide in a December 30 letter that Caricom was concerned about the growing political instability in the country, which threatened good governance and caused loss of lives.
The groundwork for the meeting was, however, laid by a four-member fact-finding mission to Haiti, led by Colin Granderson, Caricom assistant secretary-general. The mission also included Jamaica's ambassador to Venezuela, Dr Matthew Beaubrun; St Lucia's ambassador to the United States, Sonia Johnny; and Joshua Sears, the ambassador of The Bahamas to the United States.
Prime Minister Patterson told the Observer in a telephone interview Friday that last week's meeting with President Aristide was "encouraging" with the new approaches being taken to end the political impasse in Haiti.
Patterson has, in the meantime, attributed the deadlock in trying to resolve the crisis to a "lack of trust" between the Opposition and Government.
This week's meeting will be the most significant development in the long search by Caricom and the OAS for a resolution of the Haitian crisis since the flawed elections of May 2002.
Sources told the Observer Friday that depending on the outcome of the Nassau meeting, Caricom will have separate meetings with President Aristide and representatives of his Lavalas Party at a mutually agreed venue.
Meanwhile, Patterson confirmed Friday that Caricom had been in contact with the president of South Africa, Thabo Mbeki, who earlier this month pledged to do "whatever possible" to help find a solution to the Haitian crisis, in co-operation with the Caribbean Community.
South Africa's foreign minister recently travelled to Kingston where he discussed the situation in Haiti with Patterson.
Last week, Aristide announced that he would call legislative elections within six months, but said a date had not been set because it was necessary to speak with the Opposition to find the best time.
Aristide, a Roman Catholic priest, and his Lavalas Party have, since the May 2002 elections, been facing mounting protests from citizens who claimed that the elections were fixed.
The unrest overshadowed the country's recent bicentennial celebrations marking its independence from France. Dozens of people have been killed in the protests.
Pierre R Torchenot
Columbia, MD - Tuesday, January 20, 2004 at 13:47:04 (EST)
Mezanmi nou toujou ap rele deye Chime Lavalas yo, apali, jounen jodi-a Chime Apaid yo ap voye woch sou lekol, menase boule legliz, kraze machine, voye woch sou tout bagay ki pa dako avek yo. Ala de traka papa. Men nan kisa jounen jodia nou trouve nou an Ayiti. Moun ki di ke yap goumen pou chanjman, gade grose vagabonday yap fe nan peyi-a. Gade dey yap simaye nan mitan malere, malerez. Li le pou nou komanse rele anmwe! nou pa kapab anko, nou bouke.
Alatraka
ALATRAKA
- Tuesday, January 20, 2004 at 13:00:26 (EST)
Wè pa wè Kanaval pou lòt mwa.Lè mesié opozisyon bezwen pran plezi yo,yo jis pran avion yalé kote yo pito KANAVAL se sel distraksyon pep la genyen tout jwèt se jwèt Kanaval pa nan politik, Opozisyon ap di pou pa gen lekòl pandan pitit yo ap etidie nan peyi etrange, Kanta pou mwen vozan pou lavalas vouzan pou Opozisyon Vive Hati libre, KANAVAL TET Kale Jacmel, Chandmas, Au cayes, While fortune 500 companies are merging to become stronger, while rich countries are signing accord of cooperation, while powerful nationsare getting together to compete on the world market ayisyen ap detrui prop tet pa nou..menm fèt liberte nou nou bòykoté,(nou an tintin tout bon vré)Chimè Kplim ak Apaid ap kalonen ròch sou lekòl ( sa fè honte)
Ki dwam
- Tuesday, January 20, 2004 at 12:29:45 (EST)
I am so very happy for your country, to be celebrating 200 years of freedom, I look forward to visiting your country and I hope to meet many friends. Yours in God grace, Irene Dove
Irene Dove <Vincentmyson77@aol.com>
Chicago, il - Sunday, January 18, 2004 at 20:01:15 (EST)
I just don't get it with you guys, in one hand you are talking about "MIZE" in haiti, and you think that carnaval is a good thing for the mass population in haiti right now on the other hand. That's why politicians in haiti take the people for a joke, because they always say once you give haitians "tambou ak tafia", they forget everything, thinking that's all they care about. The fact remains that all the provinces and the capital mobilize against the government, therefore, this is not a time to say the people of haiti won't negotiate carnival. In fact, we are here in the USA working and eating 3xs a day; let me remind you all that people are suffering big time right now in haiti. And, don't forget: "A hungry man is an angry man.
Le Plus Haut
White Oak, Md - Saturday, January 17, 2004 at 03:14:59 (EST)
Guess What !!! The operation was a success but the patient dies ... M'AP VIV
Alerte Belance <konbitkreyolproductions@hotmail.com>
Newark, n.j - Friday, January 16, 2004 at 16:05:44 (EST)
Charles....ou di sa tou...mwen dako ave'w. What they really need to do is while pep la ap banboche penden 5 jou sa yo, they need to spend that time to come up with a plan on how yo pwal gouye (excusse my french) anba pep la mekredi apres jou gras a. Paske pep la ap gin yon grangou nan fyel li pa vini'w ki pou sove'w selman anba yo.
smoochees
- Friday, January 16, 2004 at 14:04:01 (EST)
Sa montre vreman kijan opozision-a se pa afe peyi li ap okipe. How can you justify spoiling the carnival for political reasons? you are hurting a people, a country and a tradition. This is absolutely ridiculous. Those guys from the opposition better look for something else to do. I am fed up with them. I guess if they tried to spoil the bicentennial celebration, I would not be surprised if they attempt to do the same thing for the carnival. Mwe bezouin al pran ti detent mwen e pi pran ou repos avek fredi-a.
Charles
Charles
- Friday, January 16, 2004 at 13:50:02 (EST)
Paul.....dezod ou pa pep la pap negosye banbosh yo non. Se sel le pou yon pran yon break, yon detente despri. Apres mardi greas ya repedale nan mekredi enko
By the way, did ya know kanaval is going to be 5 days this year? Komense depi nan vendredi 20 fevrier jiska 24. Map mouri vre ane sa......lol
smoochees
- Friday, January 16, 2004 at 12:12:31 (EST)
Mesie Oposition yo mande pou moun pa ale nan Kanaval ane sa-a, Pep la repon'n "tout jwet se jwet Kanaval pa ladan", yo di demokraci sa-a ale tro loin
I love your site
Paul Jeanty
Atl, Ga - Friday, January 16, 2004 at 11:34:38 (EST)
Vos prières sont requises!
Une demande venant du Saint Père...
Le Pape Jean-Paul II nous demande de prier pour lui car il sait que son temps parmi nous est limité. S.V.P., priez un "Notre Père" , un "Je Vous salue Marie" et un "Gloire soit au Père" pour notre Saint Père et envoyez ce message par courriel autour du monde.
Le Pape Jean-Paul II a fait cette demande lorsqu'il priait l'Angelus avec les pèlerins. Il dit que la force ne lui sera seulement donné que par les prières de ceux qui auront prié.
Aidons le Saint Père, dont les prières nous ont si souvent aidés. S.V.P., envoyez ceci à tous ceux qui croient en la prière. Avec votre coopération,dans quelques jours des millions auront offert leurs prières pour le Pape Jean-Paul II et en même temps offert leurs prières à Dieu.
Ne sous-estimons jamais la puissance de la prière.
Semewn
Glendale, md - Friday, January 16, 2004 at 09:54:09 (EST)
i like this site and hopefully it will stay as long as it can. It's such a nice thing to have Haitian that are proud to be. I am in love with Haiti no matter what happened to the country or not. I hope everybody else feels the same way i feel. Haiti is the best place to enjoy. I LOVE IT.
dsmber20 <juniekb2001@yahoo.fr>
staten island, ny - Thursday, January 15, 2004 at 20:13:55 (EST)
Yey yo,
i think this is a great website and the people that I see talking sending their comment to this pages seem real nice... Yo just kept on doing what cha doing... I am from Haiti also.. I was born there.. So I am looking forward to hear more from ya...
Patrick Wilcox Haitian 4 life...
Patrick Wilcox <wilcoxpatrick@hotmail.com>
Frankfort, MI - Wednesday, January 14, 2004 at 17:41:10 (EST)
Thank you very much Manze. I will check it out.
A Reader
A Reader
- Wednesday, January 14, 2004 at 10:05:01 (EST)
A Reader, I am not sure how descriptive you want me to be in explainning the term. In my view it is a simpistic term which means, music that is an alternative to what's being played on current mainstream/commercial Radio stations. I hope this satifies your curiosity and clarifies the term for you. Thank you for your question.
Manze
- Wednesday, January 14, 2004 at 08:34:41 (EST)
Hi Concerned Haitian and Friends!
Hope it's not to late to wish everyone a Meaningful New Year. I hope everyone is doing well. And I hope everyone has set at least three personal goals they plan to accomplish this year. So please keep these two quotes in mind: 1) WE ONLY LEARN OUR LIMITS BY GOING BEYOND THEM, and 2) DON'T LET FEAR GET IN THE WAY OF YOUR DREAMS.
With this in mind, I would like to respond to Concerned Haitians inquiry about the march. I am pleased to say that my colleagues and I have been working hard with a number of groups to help organize this march. Some of the highlights are that the permits will officially be issued this month; organizational members of the National Planning Committee will be announced; we've got an office downtown on K street; there is a high possibility that Wyclef may perform; and lastly, we finally found a cold fusion web developer to finish our website.
As it now stands, we anticipate at least 5K, people, min 2k, and max 10+. It's really hard to pinpoint an exact number. All I can say is that the outreach and grassroots work is being done and all of the logistics are being addressed. We will have a meeting late this month or early next and I will post an open invitation to anyone interested in helping. In the meantime, please feel free to email me at mcharles@10thdepartment.org if you want more info.
I think it is important for me to stress that this is not a 10th DOHE march - it is a march for our people. One that not only calls for Haitian empowerment but is a way for us to commemorate our bicentennial right here in the nation's capital. The march will lay the foundation for the work that we and other groups are doing or plan to do in the near future. Our vision is proactive, timely and attainable no matter what obstacles we may face.
By the way, do you guys/gals remember when someone posted a comment on this board and said that Haiti's bicentennial will be "brief" and "meaningless?" For some reason, it feels as if our bicentennial was overshadowed by the "yellow terror alert" and the media's coverage of protests in Haiti.
So what now and what next? Even more importantly, where do we go from here? Or does it even matter? Are we going to let this year pass us by without affirming who we are? Are we going to let issues such as politics; language; religion; class warfare; birthplace; family surname; hair texture; and/or skin color continue to divide us 200 year latter? Even more importantly, are we going to let the significance of Haiti's contributions to the world, particularly to the United States go unnoticed?
If you've answered yes to two or more of these questions, or you don't believe that positive social change will ever happen in Haiti. Then yes, Haiti's bicentennial will be "brief" and "meaningless."
But it is not to late friends. That is why I personally don't think we should have put so much emphasis on January 1st (2004) the day. Instead, we should use 2004 and beyond as an opportunity to reflect and at least TRY to work on solutions.
Nevertheless, I'm going to stop now so I don't start sounding to preachy or idealistic. I'm sure some of you don't agree and that's okay. So let's agree to disagree. And I will do my best to write shorter entries in the future.
In the meantime, would anyone like to share their views as to whether or not they believe Haiti's bicentennial mattered [or not] to anyone else but us? In other words, should anyone else other than "OUR PEOPLE" even care?
P.S. "We will not remain the same. Either we re-make ourselves or we will be remade by others." - Gonzalo Santos
Love For My People
- Wednesday, January 14, 2004 at 01:00:05 (EST)
The Haitian community in Atlanta will celebrate 200 years of freedom next Saturday, January 24. For the first time Djakout Mizik will be playing in Atlanta, every body is excited. For more info, they can call:404-934-2828
Pathuco <pathuco@hotmail.com>
McDonough, GA - Tuesday, January 13, 2004 at 23:17:50 (EST)
Haitian National, I would like to know where do you get your information from or who's your source of information? Remember, I have nothing against your information or any remarks that you might have made, It's just that I want to know so that I can use it for my own benefit.
Le Plus Haut
White Oak, Md - Tuesday, January 13, 2004 at 17:37:52 (EST)
Manze, I am kind of curious as to what you mean by "alternative music"? would you please explain?
a reader
A Reader
- Tuesday, January 13, 2004 at 14:14:46 (EST)
I just read "One Glorious Day" by Marlène Rigaud Apollon. I wish everyone can read it regardless of what they think of 2004. From Echodhaiti's main page click on 1804-2004. Thank you Marlene Apollon and thank you Echodhaiti for posting it.
Mobutoo
Stafford, VA - Monday, January 12, 2004 at 12:58:22 (EST)
Haitian National, that seems like classified info to me that you are getting. Someone may be leaking government secret or someone is spreading a rumor. Your pick.
Mobutoo
Stafford, VA - Monday, January 12, 2004 at 12:01:31 (EST)
Le plus haut, the US is doing something in Haiti. They are providing fund to the opposition to create more violence and more misery in Haiti. I have been informed that the US is working with the opposition to create a "contra" style insurgent group in Haiti. The future does not look too good unless we stop it.
haitian national
haitian national
- Monday, January 12, 2004 at 09:20:27 (EST)
Report Back on the Bicentennial and a Forum on the
Future of Democracy and Development of Haiti
Monday, January 12, 2004, 7:00pm-9:30pm
Union Temple Baptist Church, Anacostia, Washington, D.C.
The future of Haiti is one of the crucial questions facing the western hemisphere today. The Haiti Support Project is convening a panel discussion on Haiti that will celebrate the 200th Anniversary of Haitian independence from France and explore the political and economy future of the island.
In recent days, violence has flared in Haiti as protests mount against the government of President Jean-Bertrand Aristide. Haiti remains the poorest nation in the hemisphere. It has the region’s highest rates of illiteracy and infant mortality. 40% of the nation is under the age of 18.
Ron Daniels, the Executive Director of the Haiti Support Project was in Haiti for the bicentennial celebration on January 1, 2004. Daniels will present a full report on Haiti and the present political situation as part of the program. Since 1995, HSP has mobilized more than $500,000 in material assistance for organizations in Haiti in the form of grants; farm implements/tools; school supplies; medical supplies and equipment; office supplies and furnishings; computers; fax machines; typewriters; AM-FM radios; video equipment; and transportation vehicles and ambulances.
What: Report Back on the Bicentennial and a Forum on the Future of Democracy and Development in Haiti
When: Monday, January 12, 2004, 7:00pm-9:30pm
Where: Union Temple Baptist Church, 1225 W Street, S.E., Anacostia, Washington, D.C.
webmaster <webmaster@echodhaiti.com>
- Sunday, January 11, 2004 at 21:49:20 (EST)
Heads up everyone, there is a pirate radio station in the Washington area playing much Soca, reggae ect. So, if you like that type of music, you can catch them mostly at night starting 6PM on 93.5 FM. It seems to be much stronger if you're within the DC city limits but I have heard it much farther out. You must remember if you have a radio in your car that seeks channels it won't lock on it, because the station is not powerful enough. You would have to dial it in yourself. I am not sure how long it will last before the FCC shuts it down, as for now it's great to hear some alternative music on the airwaves and I will enjoy it while I can. Haitians in Miami have mastered that idea of simply pirating the airwaves and it's been to the great benefit of that community.
Manze
- Sunday, January 11, 2004 at 12:22:25 (EST)
I want to say that, yes, it's very important to inform each other, to debate, to express our feelings or opinions, and share the news that make the actuality. I would like to suggest to everyone, who consider himself/herself "HAITIAN" on this board or around the metropolitan area, to send letters to the "Black Caucus and the Bush Administration in order for them to feel some type of pressure to do something regarding the situation in haiti. The fact remains that since 1804 we have never been united again to do anything productive. In fact, if everyone could spread the word to a friend or to any haitian living in the USA, this could be regarded as one big step toward finding a solution to the situation. Also, with the upcoming presidential election in november, Bush and his republican colleagues could careless about the situation in haiti right now. Therefore, I think we should make our voices heard by sending letters.
Le plus haut
White Oak, Md - Saturday, January 10, 2004 at 20:18:01 (EST)
ONE TO ALL YOU ALL.KEEP THE FLAG HOISTED.
Mgbada Mike <orumaga@hotmail.com>
- Saturday, January 10, 2004 at 18:42:22 (EST)
since I'm not using my real name, I will share something very personal with the Echodhaiti's board.
I cried today.
When I saw, read, heard what was going in Haiti, I CRIED. We are so sad as a people.
map swiv
- Saturday, January 10, 2004 at 12:58:10 (EST)
The State Department is wrong in their statement. They should condemn the violence on both sides if they really want to help the country move forward. This week, opposition members burn houses and car in Gonaives belonging to lavalas partisans. During the protest on Wednesday, It was captured on tape members of the oppositions beating up a lavalas supporter and then throwing him into a ditch. There have been many instances of violence on both sides. So Those statements are not helping the situation, instead they continue to divide the society and encourage more violence.
Mackandal
Mackandal
- Friday, January 09, 2004 at 19:16:38 (EST)
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The State Department on Friday condemned Haiti for allowing "government-sponsored gangs" to attack demonstrators demanding the ouster of Haitian President Jean-Bertrand Aristide.
At least two people were killed on Wednesday when Aristide supporters clashed with demonstrators who want him to step down, according to a Reuters reporter at the scene. It was the second mass protest this year.
"The United States condemns the actions of the Haitian government in response to the political demonstration that occurred January 7 in Port-au-Prince," State Department spokesman Richard Boucher said in a written statement.
"Although it is clear some elements of the police worked diligently to protect the demonstrators, it is also clear that other police officers collaborated with heavily armed, hired gangs to attack the demonstrators," he added.
"Throughout the day, these same government-sponsored gangs rampaged through the streets of the capital, stealing cars, attacking radio stations, vandalizing businesses, and harassing people," Boucher said. "A government that wishes to be considered democratic cannot continue to use street gangs as an instrument of terror and intimidation."
On Jan. 1, anti-government protesters in Port-au-Prince clashed with police as Aristide marked the country's bicentennial with promises to improve the lot of his people.
Boucher called on the Haitian government to stop trying to suppress peaceful dissent, to punish those responsible for such repression and to carry out reforms to restore the rule of law.
Aristide became Haiti's first democratically elected leader but was deposed in a bloody 1991 coup. He was restored to power in the poorest country in the Americas by a U.S.-led invasion in 1994.
He was elected to a second term in 2000 but has been at odds with opposition parties and international donors over the tainted results of parliamentary elections that year.
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Pierre Torchenor
Columbia , MD - Friday, January 09, 2004 at 17:45:37 (EST)
Are Young Black Males becoming obsolete? Listening to 50 cents lyrics will do that to them!
Are Young Black Males America's Job Untouchables?
By Earl Ofari Hutchinson
An astronomically high number of young black males are not just jobless, they are also in mortal danger of becoming job untouchables. According to the Labor Department, nearly 40 percent of young blacks are now unemployed. This comes on the heels of the Bush administration's tout of the increase in more than 100,000 new jobs in the past few months.
The stratospherically high jobless numbers for young blacks stunned the Congressional Black Caucus, and House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi. They reflexively blamed President Bush for the high unemployment numbers. They claimed that his fiscal and economic policies have resulted in the loss of millions of jobs during his years in office. They demand that he radically increase funding for job training programs and provide more tax incentives for the working poor.
But the jobless crisis among young blacks is not new and can't be totally blamed on Bush's dubious fiscal and economic policies. Even during the Clinton era economic boom, the unemployment rate for young black males was double, and in some parts of the country, triple that of white males. Discrimination, racial profiling, and failing public schools, and broken homes are the easy answers that explain their Great Depression era high unemployment numbers. During the past couple of years, state and federal cutbacks in job training and skills programs, the brutal competition for low and semi skilled service and retail jobs from immigrants, and the refusal of many employers to hire those with criminal records have sledge hammered black communities. In the late 1990s, long before the big run up in black unemployment, the California Assembly Commission on the Status of the African-American Males reported that four out of 10 felons entering California prisons are young black males.
Despite the recent Census figures that show a modest jump in the number of black two-parent households, less than half of lower income black males under age 21 still live in two parent households. The high number of miserably failing inner-city public schools also fuels the unemployment crisis. They have turned thousands of blacks into educational cripples. These students are desperately unequipped to handle the rapidly evolving and demanding technical and professional skills in the public sector and the business world of the 21st Century. The educational meltdown has seeped into the colleges. According to an American Council of Education report, in the past decade Latino, Asian, and black female student enrollment has soared while black male enrollment has slowed down.
The negative racial typing has also spilled over into school discipline. The U.S. Dept. of Education, in its latest report on school discipline revealed that, though blacks make up less than 20 percent of public school students, they comprise nearly one out of three students kicked out of the nation's public schools. But there's another reason for the endemic joblessness that black leaders are loath to admit. While it's true that many employers refuse to hire them because of racial fear and ignorance, it's equally true that many young blacks feed that fear and ignorance by their own actions.
The urban riots of the 1990s reinforced white fears that all young black males are inherent drive-by-shooters, gang bangers, drug dealers, are lazy, have foul attitudes, are chronic underachievers, and eternal menaces to society. When some young blacks turned to gangs, guns and drugs and terrorized their communities, that seemed to confirm their worst fears. The explosion of gangsta rap and the spate of Hollywood violence themed ghetto films have convinced even more Americans that the thug lifestyle is the black lifestyle. They have ghastly visions of the boys-in-the-hoods heading for their neighborhoods next. No matter whether a young black is a Rhodes scholar, National Science medal winner or junior achievement candidate, they could be tagged as a gangster.
In the past few years, a rogue's list of rappers that have been assaulted murdered or run afoul of the law. They revel in the bad actor lifestyle and play hard on the us versus them volcanic rage of many young blacks. They reap a king's ransom from exploiting the violent, outlaw image of black life. Many young black men black reinforce the damaging racial stereotypes by aping and exulting the thuggish bluster and behavior of gangster rappers. This further confirms the lurking suspicion among some employers that all young blacks must be criminal and derelict, and that it¹s risky business to hire them.
The Congressional Black Caucus and Congressional Democrats must relentlessly challenge government and business to do more to end discrimination and create more job and training opportunities for young blacks. But that's not enough. They must also challenge young blacks to do more to stop aiding and abetting their own shove to the netherworld of the American economy by reinforcing the destructive stereotypes about themselves.
BlackAmerica.com
Pierre R Torchenot
Columbia, MD - Friday, January 09, 2004 at 15:37:02 (EST)
Haitian,
That tells you the big business people know when to place their own interest at the second place. Something that some of us do not understand, which is why you bring this point.
Anonyme
Columbia, MD - Friday, January 09, 2004 at 15:20:10 (EST)
Haitian,
That tells you the big business people know when to place their own interest at the second place. Something that some of us do not understand, which is why you bring this point.
Anonyme
Columbia, MD - Friday, January 09, 2004 at 15:16:20 (EST)
Can someone explain to me this: the group of 184 which is largely made up of the big businessmen anf factory owners call for the people to go on strike for them. But isn't it the same group of people that when the factory workers want to organize fire them? and not only that they would not accept any union organizing and no strike? Can someone please explain that to me?
a Haitian
Haitian
- Friday, January 09, 2004 at 13:42:37 (EST)
Love For My People,
What is going on with the MARCH in March?
Concerned Haitian
Anywhere, NY - Friday, January 09, 2004 at 12:33:45 (EST)
Moron, Yahoo.com authored the article. And what the hell does Georges Saati have to do with the current situation in Haiti? Moun.com hardly writes any of the articles posted there, they just post relevant articles from other sources. You can always counter Georges Saati's effort with your own work, if you are up to par that is.
"By the way tell George Saati to go pay taxes in Haiti."
Pou Aristide bay famm rouj mange?
Pierre R Torchenot
Columbia, MD - Friday, January 09, 2004 at 11:38:17 (EST)
You must be the most stupid person on earth if you are going to believe what you see in moun.com. The way Haiti is today, violence is coming from both sides: the opposition as well as the Lavalas organization. It is a "SHAME" that haitians put their selfish interests before country. There are absolutely no justifications for today'violence in Haiti. There are no justifications as to why elctions cannot be held. All the folks in the opposition have only one thing in common: Their hatred for Aristide. This has nothing to do with the well being of Haiti. Many of those folks who are members of the opposition are well known for their acts in the country. I can go on and on. By the way tell George Saati to go pay taxes in Haiti.
for the time being.....
Se Li
Se Li
- Friday, January 09, 2004 at 10:20:48 (EST)
Happy New Year to all!
Ladies and Gentlemen, I invite you to witness some disturbing pictures out of Haiti. In an article titled "The true face of Lavalas," which can be found in moun.com as reported in Yahoo.com
Pierre R Torchenot
columbia, MD - Friday, January 09, 2004 at 09:35:15 (EST)
Ypranm....se yon moun konsa mwen we. Mwen toujou excited. I am just like a kid who has just seen SANTA (wink)
smoochees
- Thursday, January 08, 2004 at 16:43:57 (EST)
Smoochees, put some water in your wine. Ou tro cho devan ban' lan.
Yopran'm
- Thursday, January 08, 2004 at 13:44:17 (EST)
Jean Claude.....happy new year dear. Hope you had a great holiday. I like the name TRANKILL....kote'w bare ak nom sa? TRANKILL = POZE/SENSUEL/DOUS/BON KONPA. Can't wait to hear them. I am gettin excited already. Keep us up to date with the new band OK...
LOL@Se Nou (smile)
smoochees
- Thursday, January 08, 2004 at 09:08:00 (EST)
Amis de partout bonsoir.
If you are interested to be in the committee or to be a contestant in the MISS HAITI-WASHINGTON 2004 pageant you may now contact miss Vanessa Marcel at (240)498-9367 or at nessa127@hotmail.com
I met with her this evening, and let me tell you that you should be ready for something big.
Mesdames mété nou en forme to get the money, the title, the meetings with important people,the traveling and off course the chance to represent our country and the MD DC VA community.
Jean Claude Vivens <jcvivens@mris.com>
Wheaton , MD - Wednesday, January 07, 2004 at 22:20:44 (EST)
Miss Marcel pa bezouin al tro lwen pou li chwazi Miss Haiti 2004. Gen youn deja. Anik pran Smoochees e pi fe li Miss Haiti 2004.
Se Nou
Se Nou
- Wednesday, January 07, 2004 at 13:09:05 (EST)
Good job JCV keep it up,happy new year to you too, your business and your family.BEST WISHES
I will contact you by phone to get in touch with miss Marcel ,but I need to tell cousins about it first.
Good luck with the band.I really like the name Trankill especially with the double (L).
HELLO to all my other bros and sists reading this.It's my first time writing,finally something got my attention.I think miss Marcel is the sista to meet.
Melissa
Rockville, MD - Wednesday, January 07, 2004 at 12:28:28 (EST)
HAPPY NEW YEAR TO EACH AND EVERYONE OF YOU READERS-FANS AND FRIENDS.
I'm back in town, I'll be gone for another 15 days in February -- you know ...JACMEL...CHAMPS DE MARS...you know what I mean.
Don't forget this week to vote for the best videos for the year 2003 on "Haiti A suivre"
I'm coming out with a new band in the spring,we did the first practice last night and I'm very pleased of the musicians.Some of them JUST come from Haiti,I'm spending a lot of money to bring the compas back to Washington so I'm counting on you to support this musical revolution.
We are looking for a female vocalist, if you know someone tell her or her agent to contact me @ 240-463-7196 for an audition.
The name of the band is T R A N K I L L please make a note of it.
On another note, miss Vanessa Marcel is asking me to help create a commitee to organize an Haitian beauty pageant
(miss Haiti 2004) in the Washington metropolitan area.
Miss Marcel was the director of the Miss Africa International last November at the new convention center in D.C.Miss Marcel was born in Haiti but she grew up in New Jersey and she is now living in Maryland.
Interested should contact JCV Productions @ 240-463-7196
Jean Claude Vivens <jcvivens@mris.com>
washington, MD - Tuesday, January 06, 2004 at 22:40:51 (EST)
Gosh smoochees, I thought you were missing in action. (Smile) Girlie, well enjoy it while it lasts. Pa blie yon sista. Happy New Year to you, wishing you all the good things!
Take care!
Yopran'm
- Tuesday, January 06, 2004 at 15:35:37 (EST)
Happy new year to all. Hope every one had a wonderful holidays. Now that the holidays are over, sak pwal nan kanaval ave sa.....LET'S GET READY. Ticket yo nan SALE so HURRYYYYYYYYYY!!!. Na renkontre anba...lol
Peace.....mwen di'w fe respe'w....lol. Ki bagay madanm ap bay pwoblem sa? Well work it out man....it's 2004. Mwen we ou soti pou entrave'm sou board la. Wap pale de gouyad mwen. Podiab mwen!!!.....lol
Yopranm my dear....I am OK. Better yet, I am doing WONDERFUL. Map fout di li a gwo vwa....LI BON....LI BON NETTTTTTT....lol. Hope you had a wonderful holiday. I wish you all the best for 2004.
PR.....Happy new year to you too papa. Moun pa we moun. Ou kache. Kon di ak yopranm " si'l bon di li bon ". Hope you had a great holiday.
Love my people....thank you and Happy new year to you and your family. I've enjoyed reading you in 2003 and hoping to continue reading more from you.
smoochees
- Tuesday, January 06, 2004 at 11:48:50 (EST)
Welcome to the board Steinecke. Some of your statement may be true but there are more to it than that. Sure, we can not call this freedom as we know it here but on the bright side, the end of slavery in Haiti and the americas, the beginning of the end of colonization in the New World, etc.... Just because we failed to capitalize on what our forefathers fought for and won does not mean that we should not celebrate their accomplishments.
Mobutoo
Stafford, VA - Tuesday, January 06, 2004 at 09:09:24 (EST)
I would like to add my sentiments of gratitude for your support of dream endeavor here, echodhaiti.com. We thank each and everyone who has participated in some very thought provoking discussions on this board and we hope you will continue to share your thoughts with the community in this historic year for our community and culture. I would also like to invite each and everyone of you in the Washington metropolitain area and beyond to tune it to WPFW, 89.3 FM tonight at 11:PM for a special program on Haiti. I have been given the opportunity to sit in to night and will be doing a special show on Haiti. I hope to have guests and look forward to your phone calls (202-588-0893) and your wishes to our community and the bicentenial anniversary. Happy new year to each and everyone.
Jean-Michel <djjnmichel@aol.com>
- Monday, January 05, 2004 at 12:22:20 (EST)
One. I've posted this for the victims to have a voice -and to honor them. I don't want to insult the common Haitian people.
I guess my comment will become censored anyway.
Steinecke <kilgoretrout@epost.de>
- Monday, January 05, 2004 at 06:37:43 (EST)
FREEDOOM! Just 200 years of corruption, manslaughter, voodoo and dictatorship. I wouldnt call it 'freedom'.
My best wishes for a better future!
Steinecke <kilgoretrout@epost.de>
- Monday, January 05, 2004 at 05:58:51 (EST)
LONG LIVE THE HAITIAN CAUSE, TO THE REVOLUTION THAT STARTED IT ALL,THE ONE THAT ENDED IN VICTORY FOR AN ENSLAVED PEOPLE.FOR THE NEW HAITIAN POLITICAL MOVEMENT THAT IS CATCHING ON IN SOUTH FLORIDA, BOSTON , AND DOWN HERE IN NEW ORLEANS.I KNOW IN 2004 AS A PEOPLE WHAT EVER CITY WE ARE IN LET US HAVE "OUR" AGENDA AT THE TABLE OF DEMOCRACY AS ANY OTHER IMMIGRANT THAT COMES TO AMERICA DOES, LETS GET "POLITICAL" SO OUR COMPATRIOTS WHO TOUCH U.S. SOIL HAVE THE SAME RIGHTS AS THE CUBAN'S. I KNOW AS A PEOPLE WE ARE FUNDAMENTALLY GROUNDED IN OUR WAYS OF HARD WORK, FAMILY,AND OF COURSE OUR CULTURAL CELEBRATION AND PRIDE,BUT REMEMBER THE BE ACTIVE IN THE CULTURE YOU LIVE IN CURRENTLY SO "WE" AS A COMMUNITY IS NOT PASSED UP.
HONOR/RESPECT.
Jean-Sebastien Rene <samsontha1@hotmail.com>
New Orleans, LA - Friday, January 02, 2004 at 11:48:12 (EST)
Jean Claude, check your email.
?, Oriel has not been convicted. The author is confusing Jacques Ketant
with Oriel Jean.
PR
- Wednesday, March 31, 2004 at 20:23:44 (EST)
Tôtôch and smooches I need your e-mail address.ASAP
Jean Claude Vivens <jcvivens@mris.com>
Wheaton, md - Wednesday, March 31, 2004 at 17:13:21 (EST)
Thanks,? & Yopran'm. JBA's route to prison is being paved. He's gotten himself is a serious predicament.
PR
- Wednesday, March 31, 2004 at 15:32:13 (EST)
PR, go to lefigaro.fr
Yopran'm
- Wednesday, March 31, 2004 at 12:25:49 (EST)
PR, go to Sakapfet.com
?
- Wednesday, March 31, 2004 at 12:05:08 (EST)
?,what's hpn's web address? Do you have a link to?
PR
- Wednesday, March 31, 2004 at 11:20:22 (EST)
By: HPN - 03/31/2004
Aristide présenté comme un baron de la drogue
Le quotidien français Le Figaro du 29 mars a présenté l’ancien président haïtien Jean Bertrand Aristide comme le grand patron de la drogue en Haïti. Son compère Jacques Kéitant, arrêté pour trafic illicite de stupéfiants, a déclaré devant un tribunal américain qu’Aristide était le père de la drogue en Haïti. Le président déchu à l’aube de la quatrième année de son mandat de 5 ans, le 29 février dernier, risque de passer le reste de ses jours en prison en dépit de sa fortune estimée à US$ 800 millions de dollars. L’ancien chef de la sécurité de l’ex-chef d’État, Oriel Jean, vient d’être condamné à 27 ans d’emprisonnement et à une amende de US$ 30 millions de dollars pour son implication dans le trafic de la drogue.
?
USA - Wednesday, March 31, 2004 at 09:55:41 (EST)
A little News from Yahoo.
"The United Nations (news - web sites) has raised a little over a quarter of the $35 million in emergency relief needed to help stabilize Haiti after a three-week rebellion led President Jean-Bertrand Aristide to flee a month ago.
U.S.-backed interim Prime Minister Gerard Latortue is to meet foreign donors April 14 to appeal for more funds."
I don't mind getting help from others but something like $35 millions the U.N is trying to collect is an amount that the Haitian Diaspora can and should come up with.
Mobutoo
Stafford, VA - Wednesday, March 31, 2004 at 09:25:57 (EST)
THE TICKETS FOR TRANKILL'S SHOW (BALL) @ NAPOLI ITALIAN RESTAURANT 8241 GEORGIA AVE SILVER SPRING MD (CORNER OF GEORGIA & THAYER AVE)ARE NOW ON SALE IN THE COMMUNITY-BOBY EXPRESS -ESTHER EXPRES-TI CLAUDE COIFFEUR-CHEZ YONYON AND ALSO AT NAPOLI.
REMEMBER THE BALL IS SATURDAY APRIL 10
$20.00 IN ADVANCE
THE SUNDAY NIGHT SHOW (KERMESSE DIMANCHE PAQUES) AT LOS ARRIEROS WILL START AT 8PM-DON'T FORGET TO BRING YOUR STUDENT I.D.
FOR MORE INFO CALL 240-463-7196
HAPPY EASTER
Jean Claude Vivens <jcvivens@mris.com>
Wheaton, md - Tuesday, March 30, 2004 at 20:23:49 (EST)
Trinity College Haiti program invites you to the Washington DC premier of the Agronomist at 7.30pm on Tuesday 20th of April, 2004 Landmark’s E Street Cinema 555 11th Street NW Washington, DC 20004. The Agronomist is a new movie about the life of famed Haitian journalist Jean-Dominique who was murdered at his radio station in Haiti. We have a limited number of seats to pass along to the Haitian community. It is by invitiation only. It is on a first come first serve basis. If you are interested, just email us here at webmaster@echodhaiti.com. It is wonderful movie directed by Jonathan Demme.
webmaster@echodhaiti.com <djjnmichel@aol.com>
- Tuesday, March 30, 2004 at 12:15:32 (EST)
Good Afternoon,
Howard University's Haitian Student Association will have a program
entitled "Mix and Mingle" next week and you are cordially invited. This
program's purpose is to bring together our fellow Haitian and non-Haitian
students and community and to provide an opportunity to meet eachother. So
bring along your ideas, contact info, etc. Please view attached document
and forward it to anyone in the surrounding area and community you think
would like to attend. Thank you for your cooperation and if there are any
questions or concerns, please feel free to contact me.
Sincerely,
Ms. Natalie Jean, HSA PR
webmaster@echodhaiti.com
- Tuesday, March 30, 2004 at 11:45:07 (EST)
I appreciated what your are doing you did a good job in Haitian communauty.
sincerely,
Rachel Jean-Baptiste <none 93 Stoneybrook Dr>
Metuchen, NJ - Tuesday, March 30, 2004 at 10:50:12 (EST)
I appreciated what your are doing you did a good job in Haitian communauty.
sincerely,
Rachel Jean-Baptiste <none 93 Stoneybrook Dr>
Metuchen, NJ - Tuesday, March 30, 2004 at 10:49:31 (EST)
Wonderful indeed! You ladies(smooches & yopram'n) looked as radiant as ever. Gentlemen, approach these ladies with caution, otherwise,you shall succomb to the highly transmissible phenomenon known as love.
Sweet Mickey stands out of the crowd.
PR
- Monday, March 29, 2004 at 18:05:47 (EST)
Yopranm....jwen? A ma chere pa fe'm sa. Pat gin afe la du tout. I hate when you tell somebody "NON" mwen pap danse and they insist. Bon se nan sa mwen te pran samedi soir. Yon denye pongongon....lol
Pat gin afe du tou. Devan djazz la ki te chaje (smile)
smoochees
- Monday, March 29, 2004 at 10:45:48 (EST)
It was nice seeing you too Smoochees. Ou te jwen wi, conversion yan te "dip" bo bar lan... LOL...
Carimi was tight, i didn't expect that from the band.
Chapo ba to Carimi.
PR good to see u.
Yopran'm
- Monday, March 29, 2004 at 10:20:49 (EST)
Greetings All...Happy Monday
Thank you Harold Charles (ceepco records) for a great BAL. Carimi was off the hook Saturday night. To top it up MICHAEL BENJAMIN was all that and than some. I had no idea that he was going to be there. It was all a surprise to me. I had a great time and looking forward to Micky. Komunote a te swaf yon ti bal...
Harold....JOB WELL DONE.....BRAVO!!!
Yopranm....it was great seeing you (smile)
PR.....Nice seeing you too. Mwen pa tap rate ti bo sa du tou. Anba redi mwen pran'l...LOL
Have a great day!
smoochees
- Monday, March 29, 2004 at 08:51:46 (EST)
CEEPCO RECORDS (Your Entertainment Connection) would like to thank the 600 people who came out last night to celebrate Spring Bash 2004 with CARIMI at Zanzibar on-the-waterfront. It was certainly a night to remember and a grand affair. We plan to bring CARIMI back at Zanzibar in mid September, possibly on Saturday September 18.
Let's now get ready for Sweet Micky at Zanzibar on April 24 and T-Vice on July 10. Tickets are already on sale online at www.ceepcorecords.com. Over 10% of the people who attended last night's event purchased their tickets online. This process was so convenient - right from the comfort of their home!
Thank you again to our official sponsors: {EDITED BY WEBMASTER}
For your music needs, visit us at www.checkoutcds.com
For your home improvement needs, visit us at www.ceepcocontracting.com
To rent a phone and use it in Haiti and to call Haiti at $0.16 a minute for the US, call us at 301-648-4800 for more details.
CEEPCO RECORDS <sales@ceepco.com>
Silver Spring, MD - Sunday, March 28, 2004 at 17:28:10 (EST)
Last night on the way to Carimi, my brother tuned in Kombit lakay. Yves D'Haiti, I want to congratulate you. Kombit Lakay is moving foward. Partisanship has always undermined your show, but last night was different. A more balanced report was communicated. This is what we need if we are ever going to pull out of the hole we are in. Keep it up!
PR
- Sunday, March 28, 2004 at 11:51:10 (EST)
Once again, with all due respect we ask that all posters refrain from posting articles in the guest book. We welcome all comments and healthy debates. Loading the guest book page with a long article only slows down the site. You're welcome to make your point by either quoting from a relevant article and posting a link to your reference. We thank you again for your cooperation and thank you for your support.
echodhaiti.com <webmaster@echodhati.com>
- Saturday, March 27, 2004 at 19:40:19 (EST)
TELECOM INFORMATION
Haiti's Telecom Sector is estimated to be at 400 million minutes per year or $48 million per year. In 1994, JBA realized that it was a very lucrative sector after having used the settlement accounts of TELECO in the US to finance his return to power in 1994. After having returned he granted a license to a newly formed company (FUSION TELECOM) made up of Democratic heavyweights like Marvin Rosen , the former chairman of the Finance Committee of the Democratic Party. They were billing $3 million per month for 5 years. In the beginning of 2002, FUSION got out favor with Aristide because they did not agree to increase his commission from $1 million to 1.5 million per month. FUSION then stopped paying their bills to TELECO and still owe 1.8 million USD and they are no longer doing business with TELECO. Subsequently, Aristide personally got involved in the granting of new licenses with TELECO for a fee of 50% of all net profit on the contracts. Aristide creating a shell company called DIGITEC, within DIGITEC was the current DG of TELECO, Alphonse INEVIL, his brother in law: Lesly Lavlanete, Mrs. Aristide.
They signed with the following US companies:
UNIPLEX TELECOM TECHNOLOGIES: US Company connected with a Capacity to do 20 million minutes to HAITI. This company has declared Chapter 11 Bankruptcy in the US but kept their contract with TELECO and pays TELECO over 1 million per month. Obtained the TELECO license with help
of Mrs. Aristide thru the Brazilian Ambassador in Haiti. They have been connected to TELECO for 3 years. They are more or less not as corrupted as the others cited below
IVM: International Voice Mail: Have a capacity to bill for $900,000 per month. They are a front a very small company and pay Aristide 3 cents per minute for every call they send to HAITI. Continues up to today.
MOUNT SALEM COMMUNICATIONS GROUP: This is a shell company that Aristide created with FRED BELIARD. Essentially, they are an interface between TELECO and a Canadian Company called GLOBO. This company bills GLOBO Canada more than $500,000 per month and payment to TELECO are directly to a Bank account number that is for ARISTIDE, they are making payments up til this day. Alphonse Inevil is still the DG of TELECO.
TERRA COMMUNICATIONS GROUP/WECOM: same as Uniplex they have been interconnected since 2000 and owe TELECO more than 2 million. They are paying Aristide 3 cents per minute for every call to HAITI.
IDT: One the biggest Telephone companies in the World, the last company to be granted a license from Aristide, this contract was granted thru MOUNT SALEM and payments of more than 1 million dollars per month are made directly to ARISTIDE. Aristide also gets 3 cents per minute for every call terminated to HAITI.
Suggestions: We suggest that all the companies listed above be audited in Haiti and to review payment history and deposits into TELECO accounts. If it is determined that they are financing Aristide's exile,
TELECO should disconnected all these companies no fault. It should be done as soon as possible because the money that is being paid by these phone companies are those paying the likes of IRA KURZBAN, MAXINE WATERS and for ARISTIDE'S EXILE.
PR
columbia, md - Saturday, March 27, 2004 at 17:38:19 (EST)
ABOUT THE SITUATION IN HAITI
How do you feel about the departure of President Aristide: resignation or coup d'état.
Do you think that Guy Philippe and Louis J. Chamblin are heroes or terrorist.
Do you feel that the Bush administration and the U.S Policy towards Haiti is fair or unfair
Do you think that President Aristide should go back or do you think that Haiti will be better without Lavalas.
Should Caricom-O.A.S-or the U.N play major roles in solving Haiti's problem.
How do you feel about the presence of the foreign forces in Haiti.
AND MANY MORE QUESTIONS-LET'S MEET AND TALK ABOUT HAITI
BE PART OF THE COMMUNITY MEETING
THIS SUNDAY MARCH 28,2004 AT 6PM
TAKOMA PARK MUNICIPAL BUILDING
7500 MAPLE AVE TAKOMA PARK MD
The program will be broadcasted on "Haiti A Suivre" in mid April
Jean Claude Vivens <jcvivens@mris.com>
Wheaton , MD - Saturday, March 27, 2004 at 11:01:11 (EST)
This was sent to me by a concerned Haitian citizen. Please allow me to pass this information to ONLY Concerned Haitian Citizens.
Many of you have contacted the Smithsonian Institution requesting additional information about Haiti: Freedom and Creativity From the Mountains to the Sea, so, by popular demand, here it is!
Smithsonian Folklife Festival Commemorates
The Bicentennial of Haitian Independence
Visitors to the 2004 Smithsonian Folklife Festival will experience the arts, music, foods, storytelling and rich craft traditions of Haiti—the second nation in the Americas to win and maintain its freedom (the first was the United States). Haiti was created by people of African descent in 1804 who, in winning their independence, abolished slavery. The Festival will host more than 100 traditional artists and crafts persons, performers, cooks, writers, researchers and cultural experts from Haiti in performances, demonstrations, workshops and concerts outdoors on the National Mall from June 23-27 and June 30-July 4.
The idea for the Festival program, “Haiti: Freedom and Creativity… From the Mountains to the Sea,” originated two years ago with members of the U.S. Haitian community in solidarity with the people of Haiti. “In the face of the current upheavals in Haiti, we cannot afford to lose sight of the very rich, very powerful contributions that the Haitian people continue to make to the world,” says Diana N’Diaye, curator of the Folklife Festival’s Haiti program. “Haitian expressive arts—music, dance, cuisine, craft and architecture—are part of an on-going legacy of freedom and creativity.”
“The achievement of independence and the abolition of slavery by the Haitian people 200 years ago was a major world event,” says Richard Kurin, director of the Smithsonian’s Center for Folklife and Cultural Heritage. “The Smithsonian Folklife Festival provides an excellent forum to honor that historical accomplishment by illustrating the continuing effort of the Haitian people to achieve and express their freedom through the creative use of their rich cultural heritage. Folks in Haiti have been denied so much-we should not now, in this, their bicentennial year of freedom, deny them the recognition their historical legacy so deserves.”
The Festival program will reflect the creative ways in which Haitians have expressed their religious, economic, and civil freedoms. Vodou, an African-based religious system, once outlawed by colonial authorities, persists as a spiritual influence in Haitian life. Visitors will be able to observe participants making vèvès (sacred vodou drawings) in an oumfò or vodou temple, demonstrating the dances of vodou in honor of specific Iwas (deities), playing musical instruments, and taking part in ritual processions.
Performers will present a variety of celebratory events that through Haiti’s history have represented rites of resistance to oppressive rule. These include “Rara,” a processional tradition of village bands playing handmade instruments that takes place after Carnival. Program participants will also present a number of religious-based traditions, such as Moisson (a harvest festival), fanal (construction of paper lanterns at Christmas) and kite making (an Easter-time tradition). Visitors can see ongoing demonstrations of mask making, try on costumes and attend workshops on movement and music.
Visitors will also learn about everyday cooking in the Haitian Kitchen, including how to prepare “Soupe Giraumon” (pumpkin soup), a meal created and first shared on Jan. 1, 1804 in celebration of the Haitian declaration of Independence.
Crafts traditions at the Festival will also illustrate the theme. Master stone carvers engaged in the restoration of the Citadel -- a 19th-century mountain-top fortress built to defend Haiti’s independence--will demonstrate their artistry and skill as they preserve this symbol of freedom.
Haitians have always been adept at the arts of survival in order to ensure economic freedoms. Farming is a way of life in Haiti and Festival visitors will be able to witness the process of growing, harvesting, sorting and roasting beans to make “Haitian Blue,” Haiti’s signature coffee. Craftspeople will demonstrate how they use parts of the banana plant that might otherwise be discarded to make mats and fiber for bags and paper. In the sugar cane tent, visitors will see a mill and get a whiff of several flavorings for kleren, a traditional brew made from sugar cane syrup. Festival visitors will meet artisans from the mountain villages of Haiti who create furniture out of wood or bamboo. They will have the opportunity to try their hands at working with clay and straw under the supervision of traditional potters and master basket makers and hat weavers. Haitian cut-metal specialists will demonstrate their amazing ingenuity as they turn metal oil drums into relief sculptures while visitors attempt to create similar pieces using cardboard.
Tales of Haitian creative expression abound on the Island. At the Festival, Urban street painters will work on a mural depicting their interpretation of an imagined or real Haiti. Visitors can also see a vibrantly colored and beautifully decorated “tap-tap,” a truck or bus that Haitians use to travel from the mountains to the sea. Storytellers at the Krik Krak stage will invite audiences to join in Haitian narratives by first shouting “Krik!” and waiting for the response “Krak!” Music performances will feature konpa, roots music, troubadou and meringue, traditions which through their lyrics and movement tell the story of how Haitians have historically aspired to be free. Haitian Americans, many who have sought freedom and opportunity in the U.S. will participate in “reunion” sessions at the Festival.
Aside from the bicentennial of independence, the Festival program comes amidst an unstable time in Haiti. Organizers hope the Festival plays a role in encourage the respect for and support of the Haitian people. According to Geri Benoit, coordinator of the Haitian National Commission for the Smithsonian Folklife Festival, the program “presents a prime opportunity to showcase the cultural creativity of the Haitian people as an expression of their passion for freedom and liberty. It will strengthen the ties between the Haitian people and those in the diaspora and inform and educate Americans and international visitors about Haitian history, culture and traditions.”
A broad coalition of Haitians, including the Haiti public administration, businesses, scholars, artists and other individuals, Haitian Americans, American friends of Haiti, U.S. government agencies, service organizations, international agencies such as UNESCO and the Inter-American Development Bank, and the governments of several other nations have joined together to make Haitian participation in the Festival possible, Kurin notes. A U.S. leadership committee, co-chaired by Sen. Chris Dodd and Sen. Mike Dewine, has lent important moral support. As Sen Dewine says, “In my more than 13 trips to Haiti, the spirit of the Haitians has touched me. Only a 90-minute flight for our borders, Haiti is the poorest country in our hemisphere, but it's rich in tradition and arts. The Folklife Festival will highlight all that is good about Haiti.” Sen. Dodd adds “ It is my hope that Americans will come away from this summer's festivities with both a new appreciation of Haitian heritage and with a renewed sense of commitment to extending our hand to the Haitian people in meaningful assistance and sincere friendship.”
The annual Smithsonian Folklife Festival, inaugurated in 1967, celebrates folk culture with people from across the United States and around the world. The Festival typically includes daily programs of music, song and dance, crafts and cooking demonstrations, storytelling, workshops and narrative sessions for discussing cultural issues. The Festival attracts about 1 million visitors a year. Hours are 11 a.m. to 5:30 p.m., with special events, concerts and other activities continuing until 9 p.m. The Festival is produced by the Smithsonian Center for Folklife and Cultural Heritage and is co-sponsored by the National Park Service.
Elle
Chevy Chase, MD - Friday, March 26, 2004 at 14:27:03 (EST)
Yopran'm,
Merci...
Mirna
- Friday, March 26, 2004 at 14:04:20 (EST)
mina , epav!
Yopran'm
- Friday, March 26, 2004 at 12:48:18 (EST)
All, want to learn some Haitian proverbs, check this site out, http://harpers.org/WitWisdomHaytians.html
Mirna
- Friday, March 26, 2004 at 12:29:01 (EST)
Edwidge Danticat will be in DC tonight @ Politics and Prose Bookstore (5015 Connecticut Ave, NW, 7 PM
She has a new book out, "The Dew Breaker"
Webmaster <webmaster@echodhaiti.com>
- Friday, March 26, 2004 at 07:11:48 (EST)
Cynical, there is one thing you need to understand, not too many haitians on this board really give a damn about haiti. First of all, some came in the US as babies and others as adolescents, not that I'm making excuses for them. Then, you have others, as long as they can go to haiti for carnival and other entertainment of some sort, they could careless about democracy in haiti. In fact, I'm sure some may still have family in haiti crossing the crisis that is taking place right now. As a matter of fact, I went to the march and I only saw six people from maryland that I know plus myself. Not until the end when different people got on the podium giving their speech, I saw two others. This is the type of event that makes you ask yourself "WHAT'S WRONG WITH MY PEOPLE". The same way you see young african-americans are acting today forgetting what their forefathers or ancesters went through to give them the little bit they are enjoying today, that's the same thing happening to some haitians in the US. A lot of them forget where they come from and who they are especially if they're making a little bit of money.
Le plus haut
White Oak, Md USA - Friday, March 26, 2004 at 00:57:24 (EST)
Thank you so much le peuple
I have more good news-this time it's for the football fans.
As you know Haiti beat the U.S a couple week ago but the final score was 1-1.By that I mean that the goal that we score on the first half was indeed a good goal that the referee kept for taxes.The game also went to an unfair overtime allowing the Americans to equalize the game at the 93rd minute of the game.
Now the good news,our players did so well vs the U.S that six(6) of them are now negotiating contracts with some MLS teams,according to Nono Jean Baptiste.
They are:
Peguero Jean Philippe(Don Bosco) Colorado Rapids
Alexandre Boursicot (Violette) Chicago Fire
David St cius (--------) New England
Mones Chéri (Don Bosco) xxxxxxxxxxx
Watson Coriolan (Violette) Columbus
Jhonny Descolines (Wolado) Los Angeles Galaxy
N.B Watson is only 19 years old.
Jean Claude Vivens <jcvivens@mris.com>
Wheaton, md - Thursday, March 25, 2004 at 20:34:38 (EST)
agimal or ajimal or jcv mon cher kimbe la/ bon bagay merci anpil pou toute belle bagaye sa yo wap voye la.
le peuple
takoma park, md - Thursday, March 25, 2004 at 16:57:15 (EST)
FLASH!!! FLASH!!!
COMING SOON
ALEXANON Magazine
A trilingual, bi-monthly magazine for the haitian, african and African-american communities.
Target Market 20 and Up
Our objective is to Educate and to inform
Notre Objectif est de Former et d'Informer
First publication April 1st 2004
Articles:
Movies: "The Passion of Christ", "I Love you Anne"
Entertainment: Carimi, Interview with TCB or The Sinit
Politics: Aristide un départ forcé? Un retour déjà planifié?
Event: Miss Africa International (Interview with Miss Africa 2004 (Miss Nigeria)
"Al Complices" is back and much more...
We do better than what others do good
Nous faisons mieux ce que les autres font bien
To put your ad or for info call Alex Sanon 240-461-1666
Alex Sanon
Silver Spring, MD - Wednesday, March 24, 2004 at 23:56:52 (EST)
Yes as a show man,please allow me to talk about entertainment.
PEOPLE I HAVE SOME FANTASTIK NEWS
Last night I was invited to an emergency meeting at the DCCC headquarter and guess what:
THE CARNIVAL IS BACK ON GEORGIA AVE
The date is June 26 - show time 12-6pm
Tickets for the April 10 TRANKILL show at Napoli Italian Restaurant will go on sale this weekend,if you need 10 tickets or more contact me at 240-463-7196 for your group discount.There will be no "in advance" tickets for the Easter Sunday show at Los Arrieros.
Jean Claude Vivens <jcvivens@mris.com>
Wheaton, MD - Wednesday, March 24, 2004 at 17:42:05 (EST)
Smoochees,
Hmmmmm....Give me a clue. How about tomorrow? At a public place of your choice!
Gary
- Wednesday, March 24, 2004 at 13:40:35 (EST)
DC.....I don't do hook ups. Taler le bagay yo gate wa tande (smile)
smoochees
- Wednesday, March 24, 2004 at 09:28:02 (EST)
Ok Gary......I'll see you this weekend. Bon, koman wap fe rekonet mwen?
smoochees
- Wednesday, March 24, 2004 at 09:27:04 (EST)
Smoochees,
Come on! M pa tande"non" byen. This weekend would be a good opportunity.
M ap tann ou.
Gary
- Wednesday, March 24, 2004 at 08:36:12 (EST)
Cynical Haitian, I guess we can always talk about Haiti and the match whenever we have extra time in our hands. Right now, we trying to get the HOKE UP. That's my priority.
DC
- Tuesday, March 23, 2004 at 17:50:49 (EST)
Smoochees, where do you live and how old are. Can you hoke me up? I am sure you have some friends. Hoke a brother up sis. Hoke it uppppppppppp...
DC
- Tuesday, March 23, 2004 at 17:37:05 (EST)
Garrrryyyyyyy!!!.....yo di'w non ou di wi (laugh)
smoochees
- Tuesday, March 23, 2004 at 16:42:22 (EST)
So, no one is talking about the National March for Democracy in Haiti. Well, what was the outcome? C’mon guys, you’re like oblivious to the movement. Doesn’t anyone care? Don’t you Haitians give a d**n? So callous and unconcern…, well except for Carimi, Bal, and booty calls.
Cynical Haitian
Anywhere, NY - Tuesday, March 23, 2004 at 15:31:45 (EST)
I'll name names...
cute little Melinda is a sexy MDB
When smoochees is on the dancefloor it's something special
There's also Yanick (the older one) and Natasha...
map swiv
- Tuesday, March 23, 2004 at 14:56:34 (EST)
Smoochees,
I have never met you. But, I would love to meet you. I live in Maryland.
Gary
- Tuesday, March 23, 2004 at 13:48:52 (EST)
"Who R some ov de M.D.B.'s (Most Desirable Bachelors n Bachelorettes) around???
Mke it intrestin' ladies n gents.. name names"
I am one of the MDB's .....
Yopran'm
- Tuesday, March 23, 2004 at 12:56:13 (EST)
DCH.....trust me I did not get offended. I just thought it was kind of rough they way you approach the young lady (wink). It's all good!
No I do not have a boyfriend, I am 2 years younger than you, and YOU DO NOT WANT TO GO OUT WITH ME. I am nothing but TROUBLE (smile)
smoochees
- Tuesday, March 23, 2004 at 08:46:32 (EST)
Dats watt I'm tockin abowt... luv on de line
Who R some ov de M.D.B.'s (Most Desirable Bachelors n Bachelorettes) around???
Mke it intrestin' ladies n gents.. name names
Ncog
Washington, DC - Monday, March 22, 2004 at 20:27:01 (EST)
smoochees, I am sorry if I offended you guys. I am a just come. Forgive me. Hey smoochees, do you have a boyfriend? How old are you? Maybe you and I can go out.
DCH
- Monday, March 22, 2004 at 18:12:25 (EST)
Ou konpran mwen konya...lol
Lakay ap boul boule....ou kon bagay yo
smoochees
- Monday, March 22, 2004 at 16:52:19 (EST)
Sorry, Kreyol la tro fo pou mwen. Mwen konpran'n ou konnye ya.
C'est sure, mwen konnin....toi meme tres bien...lol.
Koman Lakay ap degage'l.
Semwen
Glendale, MD - Monday, March 22, 2004 at 14:02:13 (EST)
semwen....mwen pa di'w ke'm konnin'w non. Mwen di ou ginle ou konnin moi meme tres bien. Sak soupson an ?
smoochees
- Monday, March 22, 2004 at 13:38:51 (EST)
Yopranm......Min wi mwen gin ticket'w. Let me know...
smoochees
- Monday, March 22, 2004 at 13:37:55 (EST)
Smooch,
oh...ho.....m'pa koue ou konnen'm byen. Ban'm yon ti soupson.
Semwen
Glendale, MD - Monday, March 22, 2004 at 13:25:30 (EST)
Lol@ Smoochees... BTW, do you have my ticket? I 've never been to a CARIMI bal, I might check it out.
Yopran'm
- Monday, March 22, 2004 at 12:56:49 (EST)
Semwen....senble'w konnin'm byen. Mwen te la wi. Mwen tap swiv bagay yo anba anba. Politik pa fet pou mwen (wink)
Map nan CARIMI a wi...
smoochees
- Monday, March 22, 2004 at 12:34:16 (EST)
Mezanmiiii.......Smoochees is back! Ki kote'w ou te ye konsa Smooch. Koman'w ye Fenm Gonaives.......LOL.
Ou pral nan Carimi.
Semwen
Glendale, MD - Monday, March 22, 2004 at 12:12:18 (EST)
DChaitian....that was not nice at all. This is not the right way to approach a lady. I don't think lilie is the only one who thinks like that. Ou fek vini maybe you might add a little flavor. The ones that are decent that you might (and I say might) look their way are already taken. It's pittyful around here. Le w'al nan yon bal ou deja konnin ki figi kap la. Toujours les memes. You know what......pito'm pa pale. Si pou'm tap pran pale yo tap lage nan dada'm. An' kite sa. Like I said some out and see for yourself. Maybe you will find a date for Micky next month....ou pa jenm konnin
smoochees
- Monday, March 22, 2004 at 10:45:58 (EST)
DChaitian....I feel you on that. But you must start somewhere. Si se tan wap tan yo vin jwen ou wap tou tounin pwa tan. Get out and mingle dear. Ou jenm konnin....Ou ka fet ak kwaf (smile)
smoochees
- Monday, March 22, 2004 at 10:40:37 (EST)
Lilie....OU MET DI SA FO. I am 100% with you on that. I do not like to judge people (not my place) and I get along with every body but MEZANMI.....bagay yo grav a morrrrrrrr bo isit la. Si yon fanm pense se nan MD lap vin jwen yon gren, I wish them all the luck. Paske mwen minm mwen bo isitl la lon tan. Se ou byen mwen aveg oy byen mwen invisib devan yo. C'est du jamais vu.
smoochees
- Monday, March 22, 2004 at 10:37:55 (EST)
CEEPCO RECORDS invites you to celebrate SPRING BASH 2004 with CARIMI (top rated and most requested Haitian Band of new generation) this Saturday, March 27, 2004 from 10:30PM to 4:00AM at ZANZIBAR on-the-waterfront, 700 Water Street, SW, Washington, DC.
Tickets are at $25 in advance and can be purchased online at WWW.CEEPCORECORDS.COM. Other ticket outlets are:
Yonyon: 301-853-0404
Ether Express/Unitransfer: 301-588-3664
Claude Barber: 301-434-0821
Labbe Insurance: 301-593-8481
W.I. Records: 301-422-1728
CAM: 202-291-2032
Bobby Express: 202-722-4925
Simba Int'l Records: 301-445-1670
Universal Barber Shop: 301-474-2124
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Silver Spring, MD - Sunday, March 21, 2004 at 13:31:56 (EST)
Thanks Pierre. Yon Yon was asking about you last week. I will pick up the CD.
Evel
Silver Spring, MD - Saturday, March 20, 2004 at 16:21:30 (EST)
Evel,
I think Manbo Diela(spelling) is the author of Ti Sourit.
Pierre-Richard
Columbia, MD - Saturday, March 20, 2004 at 07:27:22 (EST)
How much is the ticket for CARIMI and where can I get them? Is there a discount for buying in advance? Will CARIMI play "Ti Sourit"?
Evel
Silver Spring, MD - Saturday, March 20, 2004 at 01:17:24 (EST)
Does anyone know the name of the group that sing "Ti Sourit"? Mannnn... I downloaded that song last night. I lOVE IT. I need the name of the group so I can buy the CD. That song is one of a kind. PLEASE HELP!
Evel
Silver Spring, MD - Saturday, March 20, 2004 at 00:52:04 (EST)
Jean, I know you are reading this post since you've read my last one.
Se nou k fe konplo ki fe Aristide kite peyi a. Se makout ou ye. Map fe neg lavalas yo arete w le w antre Ayiti.
Evel
Silver Spring, MD - Saturday, March 20, 2004 at 00:46:26 (EST)
Lilie, I think you are one of the tet poul. You probably think you too good to talk guys who does not have a lot of money. NO SICK AND TIRED OF CHICKENHEADS.
DCHaitian
- Friday, March 19, 2004 at 17:09:57 (EST)
SHUT UP PR. you talk too much. get yourself a life and leave Aristide alone.
Haitian Interest
- Friday, March 19, 2004 at 16:45:54 (EST)
No smoochees. I can't go to a Haitian party without a date. I know what these parties are liked. You won't find someone to dance unless you bring your own date. I just moved here from Haiti. I know Haitian women won't dance with you unless they know you.
DCHaitian <dchaitian@yahoo.com>
- Friday, March 19, 2004 at 14:07:46 (EST)
"IMMEDIATE arrest of those who murdered Louis Jodel Chamblain's 7 month pregnant wife"
---How about immediate arrest of those who murdered IZMERY (close friend of the Baron)(spelling). Anmweyyyyyyyyyyyy PR... In that case Chamblain tap jwen jistis, epi yo tap tou fout li prizon---
Soumoune
- Friday, March 19, 2004 at 12:22:16 (EST)
Love, how about:
1.IMMEDIATE arrest of those who murdered Louis Jodel Chamblain's 7 month pregnant wife
2. A FULL investigation of Aristide's drug dealing allegations, his unexplained millions.
3 A FULL investigation of JEAN DOMINIQUE's murder.
You forgot to represent the overwhelming mojority of Haitian people who happen to think Aristide's departure is a good thing.
PR
- Friday, March 19, 2004 at 11:50:54 (EST)
"1. The U.S. FREE President Aristide and RESTORE him back to office or allow him to return to Haiti
2. The Haitian army MUST NOT be allowed to reconstruct themselves
3. The IMMEDIATE ARREST of Louis Jodel Chamblain, Jean Tatoune, Guy Philippe and other FRAPH death squad members (Convicted felons and murderers cannot be a part of Haiti’s democratic process).
4. A congressional investigation to determine the extent of US involvement
5. Asylum be granted to democratic supporters seeking refuge
6. Fair and credible parliamentary elections in Haiti
7. Peaceful and diplomatic resolutions, and an end to the violence and terrorism in Haiti
8. Haiti’s sovereignty and its constitution must be RESPECTED
9. Haitian-Americans and friends to vote for regime change in the White House on November 2, 2004.
10. Haitians must STAND UNITED for peace, reconciliation, in unity today for a stronger Haiti and Diaspora tomorrow"
Love for My People,
The March scheduled for Saturday is in fact a political one.
Pierre R Torchenot
- Friday, March 19, 2004 at 11:30:02 (EST)
!!! Political correctness is not a fashion statement...Vogue Magazine.
jacqueline celestin fils-aime <jahayiti@konbitkreyol.com>
new york, ny - Friday, March 19, 2004 at 11:20:04 (EST)
National March for Democracy in Haiti
Saturday, March 20, 2004, Washington, Dc
WHAT: 10th DOHE (10th Department Organization for Haitian Empowerment) is organizing a National March for Democracy in Haiti in Washington, DC on Saturday March 20, 2004. Haitians from New York, New Jersey, Philadelphia, Connecticut, Boston, Miami, New Orleans, Tennessee, Chicago, West Virginia, and the DC Metropolitan area will march in solidarity with friends of Haiti in the nation’s capital to express their outrage with the unconstitutional removal of Haiti’s elected President on February 29, 2004.
WHY: Since the early morning of February 29, 2004, Haitians who fought and supported the process of democracy have been in hiding. Democratic supporters are now being haunted down by US Marines with Haiti’s former soldiers and FRAPH deaths squad commandos by their side. The US government and the Washington-backed opposition in Haiti have trampled on the Haitian people’s vote and put in place a “selected government.” Haitians and friends of Haiti will be marching this Saturday in the nation’s capital to make the following 10 demands:
1. The U.S. FREE President Aristide and RESTORE him back to office or allow him to return to Haiti
2. The Haitian army MUST NOT be allowed to reconstruct themselves
3. The IMMEDIATE ARREST of Louis Jodel Chamblain, Jean Tatoune, Guy Philippe and other FRAPH death squad members (Convicted felons and murderers cannot be a part of Haiti’s democratic process).
4. A congressional investigation to determine the extent of US involvement
5. Asylum be granted to democratic supporters seeking refuge
6. Fair and credible parliamentary elections in Haiti
7. Peaceful and diplomatic resolutions, and an end to the violence and terrorism in Haiti
8. Haiti’s sovereignty and its constitution must be RESPECTED
9. Haitian-Americans and friends to vote for regime change in the White House on November 2, 2004.
10. Haitians must STAND UNITED for peace, reconciliation, in unity today for a stronger Haiti and Diaspora tomorrow
WHEN: Saturday, March 20, 2004 at 11:00 AM to 5:00 PM
WHERE: Washington, DC - Participants will gather at Constitution Gardens Memorial to kick-off the march beginning at 11:00 am. The marchers will take to the street at 12:00 noon. Participants will march from Constitution Avenue, then Northbound on 23rd Street (next to State Department), East on H Street (next to White House), south on H Street to 14th Street, and 14th street to conclude at the National Mal; where various speakers will address the participants (near the Smithsonian Museum between 13th and 14th).
WHO: The National March for Democracy has been endorsed by Congresswoman Maxine Waters
Congressman John Conyers
Haiti Action Committee
Ajoupa
Veye Yo
Fondasyon Trant Septanm
Haitian American Association
Black Voices for Peace
Haitian American Leadership Council
EPICA (Ecumenical Program on Central America and the Caribbean)
TransAfrica Forum
Pastors for Peace/DC
Washington Peace Center
Global Justice, Inc
Brothers and Sisters International
Haiti Support Project
Washington International Committee on Haiti
Call 202.508.3891 or visit www.10thdepartment.org
Love For My People
- Friday, March 19, 2004 at 11:13:36 (EST)
"i have yet to meet a good looking man... (the whole package)."
Lilie de la Fouque Chaude, (joke)
Just a question: what is the "whole package" as you understand it?
PR
- Friday, March 19, 2004 at 10:42:18 (EST)
"NO CHICHENHEAD PLEASE!" ala koze.... No hard feeling, I 've been going to these parties for the longuest time, i have yet to meet a good looking man... (the whole package). Petet ke mwen fe pati tet poul yo... Ladies what do you think?
Lilie
- Friday, March 19, 2004 at 09:35:09 (EST)
« La 'démocratie' a donc fermé une université et ouvert une caserne… »
Posté le mardi 16 mars 2004
Lettre ouverte du professeur Jean Anil Louis Juste au Conseil de l'Université d'État d'Haïti (CUEH)
Soumis à AlterPresse le 16 mars 2003
Port-au-Prince, le 16 mars 2004
Mesdames et Messieurs les Conseillers,
Hier, j'ai appris avec consternation, la nouvelle de l'installation du Quartier Général des Forces Armées Transnationales, dans les locaux de l'Université Populaire de Tabarre. La « démocratie » a donc fermé une université et ouvert une caserne.
En dépit de la prétention de répandre des lumières en tout lieu et en tout temps, l'ordre du capital contient, nourrit et pratique l'obscurantisme. L'éducation élitiste qu'il a toujours prônée, l'analphabétisme qu'il a souvent contribué à reproduire, et l'aliénation qu'il a su habilement communiquer, représentent des barrières politico-idéologiques efficaces au libre développement de la femme et de l'homme ; l'appropriation privée des richesses produites par les travailleurs, reste et demeure la finalité ultime de cette déshumanisation.
En s'installant manu militari dans les locaux de l'Université Populaire de Tabarre, les Forces Armées du Capital transnational viennent de commettre le même crime de lèse-culture et de lèse-humanité, qu'avait perpétré le président haïtien Jean Pierre Boyer, quand il occupa la République Dominicaine, en 1821 : fermer l'Université de Santo Domingo et y ouvrir une caserne !
L'impérialisme étatsunien ne s'est pas contenté d'occuper le pays une troisième fois ; il n'est pas satisfait d'organiser cette invasion, juste après la commémoration - bien que contestée - du Bicentenaire de l'Indépendance. Il a résolument décidé de vilipender toute revendication populaire qui s'exprime de manière autonome dans le pays. La transformation de l'espace universitaire de Tabarre en une caserne d'occupation militaire, symbolise à la fois, un superbe déni de la demande combien légitime du Mouvement Étudiant du 5 décembre, et une arrogante négation du Droit des Secteurs Populaires à l'Éducation supérieure. Les agissements de l'occupant sont d'autant plus inacceptables qu'il les accomplit dans une institution d'éducation supérieure qui se baptise populaire, - même si, en réalité, ce populaire est étranger à toute construction d'alternatives pour l'émancipation humaine, eu égard aux pratiques populiste et dictatoriale de son fondateur-, et où coopèrent des enseignants formés dans la culture anti-impérialiste léguée par l'intellectuel combattant José Martí et le projet socialiste de la Révolution cubaine.
Le Conseil de l'Université, organe suprême de l'Institution, est en droit de protester énergiquement contre la perpétration de ce crime de lèse-culture et de lèse-humanité contre l'extension du réseau universitaire public en Haïti. En attendant sa demande formelle de déguerpissement à adresser au Gouvernement de la République d'Haïti, le Conseil de l'Université devrait convoquer, sans délai, la communauté universitaire en vue de débattre de la question.
En tant que professeur à l'UEH, je viens, par la présente, exprimer ma plus vive protestation contre la perpétration de cet acte répréhensible qui symbolise, de manière visible, la nouvelle colonisation du pays par le capital néo-libéral. Au nom de la Liberté forgée par nos ancêtres, les Marrons et Esclaves de Saint-Domingue, j'exige le retrait immédiat des troupes de l'occupation et la restitution de l'Université Populaire de Tabarre à l'Université d'État d'Haïti, car celle-là fait partie du patrimoine culturel de celle-ci, pour avoir été construite avec des fonds détournés de la coopération entre le Peuple Haïtien et les Peuples cubain et chinois.
Recevez, Mesdames et Messieurs les Conseillers, l'expression de mes salutations patriotiques.
Jn Anil Louis-Juste
Professeur
Berger
MD - Friday, March 19, 2004 at 08:47:25 (EST)
DChaitian......come to CARIMI next weekend at the zanzibar. You will meet a lot of single haitian female.
smoochees
- Friday, March 19, 2004 at 08:44:53 (EST)
Hi everyone! I just moved to this DC. Is there any single Haitian female between the age of 24 to 28 around here? If so, please send email to dchaitian@yahoo.com.
NO CHICHENHEAD PLEASE!
DCHaitian <dchaitian@yahoo.com>
Washington, DC - Thursday, March 18, 2004 at 19:55:30 (EST)
Lol@Semwen. Ban kite bouda ti mouche twankil avan li fet bat mwen nan merylan.
PR
- Thursday, March 18, 2004 at 17:30:36 (EST)
ouhhhhhhhh....PR, kite bagay Aristide en paix non pitit.
Semwen
Glendale, MD - Thursday, March 18, 2004 at 16:11:23 (EST)
"A report by the Center for Security Policy's, Frank Gaffney, noted during the Clinton years: "U.S. Intelligence believes Aristide to be a clinical psychotic, an individual who is sufficiently mentally unstable as to require medication and institutional treatment for depression and megalomania. The center has learned, moreover, that he is addicted to the drugs that stabilize his condition."
Here is another link, interesting resding:
http://www.faculty.fairfield.edu/faculty/hodgson/Courses/so191/LatinAmerReadings/haiti.html
PR
Columbia, MD - Thursday, March 18, 2004 at 13:39:15 (EST)
whoever is advertiseing this Carimi party should promote more because not many people know of it. There are many new Haitians who have moved to the MD/DC area and they really have no means of knowing what is going on. You should really advertise on sites such as everythinghaitain, sakapfet & haitian connection also.
hey hey
USA - Thursday, March 18, 2004 at 13:38:02 (EST)
I WOULD LIKE TO GO TO THE MARCH ON SATURDAY. ANYONE INTERESTED IN FORMING OR GROUP OR WOULD MINE FOR ME TO JOIN THEM. I JUST MOVED TO MD AND DON'T KNOW MANY FELLOW ACTIVIST.
GRANDEFEMME
- Thursday, March 18, 2004 at 10:41:03 (EST)
gaasgd, wow, you don't say??
really?
map swiv
- Thursday, March 18, 2004 at 10:35:49 (EST)
I think hati is in trouble
gaaasgd <5485289>
new york, city - Thursday, March 18, 2004 at 10:25:31 (EST)
I just found out that the march for Haiti is this weekend.
I hope some of you will walk the walk, instead of just talk.
Look for me, I'll be up front...
map swiv
- Thursday, March 18, 2004 at 09:58:21 (EST)
Yopranm....ou konnin si se te bal mwen se VIP ou tap ye ladan. Ou kon met bal deja (wink)
smoochees
- Wednesday, March 17, 2004 at 12:44:08 (EST)
Smoochees, can I get a discount ? lol....
Yopran'm
- Wednesday, March 17, 2004 at 10:19:52 (EST)
All,
I have tickets for the CARIMI bal. You can reach me at siwomiel@hotmail.com for more info.
smoochees <siwomiel@hotmail.com>
- Wednesday, March 17, 2004 at 10:05:47 (EST)
Grandefemme....I tell people that every day. DO NOT STRESS LIFE. Enjoy every minute that you can because you do not know when your number will be called.
smoochees
- Wednesday, March 17, 2004 at 08:44:18 (EST)
US State Dept suspends firearms and ammo shipments to Jamaica
The US State Department has reportedly suspended the shipment of all firearms and ammunition to Jamaica.
At least two gun dealers in Kingston received notification from their suppliers in the United States Tuesday.
According to one report, the notice from the State Department indicated that the ban on the supply of arms and ammunition extended to the Jamaica Defence Force and the police force.
However the notification did not say why the decision was made to suspend supplies.
The US Embassy in Kingston on Tuesday afternoon said it was unable to confirm or deny the reports.
According to Embassy officials, they would have to check before responding to queries from our News Centre.
The State Department web site also made no mention of the issue.
However sources say this could be the latest move in the deepening diplomatic row between Jamaica and the United States over Haiti.
The Jamaican Government joined its CARICOM partners in expressing concern about the US role in the ousting of former Haitian President Jean Bertrand-Aristide and called for an independent investigation into the matter.
Senior US officials on Monday responded by criticising Jamaica for allowing the former president to visit the island at this time.
PR
- Wednesday, March 17, 2004 at 08:01:32 (EST)
I need a keyboard player and maybe a guitar player too for this new band.
thanks
Gaston
Gastun21@hotmail.com
Gaston Cherichel <gastun21@hotmail.com>
GRAND RAPIDS, MI - Tuesday, March 16, 2004 at 23:50:21 (EST)
So sad about Herby I met him when I went to buy my car in November. He was trying to get me to buy a Toyota. Life is so short you really don't know hen your last day is.
GRANDEFEMME
- Tuesday, March 16, 2004 at 16:41:04 (EST)
PR....that's him. Bold, short and in his early 40's
smoochees
- Tuesday, March 16, 2004 at 08:52:23 (EST)
Yopranm...thanks girl
Aji....will do today
smoochees
- Tuesday, March 16, 2004 at 08:51:29 (EST)
Grandefemme.....I'll be looking out for you.
smoochees
- Tuesday, March 16, 2004 at 08:50:54 (EST)
Mapswiv,
Now that you've exhausted the "legal aspect" of Aristide contract as president and which is no longer relevant, I see you're on patriotic tip. You guys are amazing. Weeks before he resigned, JBA called for Foreign intervention. They intervened with a slightly different plan than the invoker's. Now suppose that they came to Aristide's rescue when he requested it, and people died as a result, would you feel the same way as you do now? Would you repudiate JBA?
Smooch, I think I met Herby. Was he in the late 30's to 40's and bald?
PR
- Monday, March 15, 2004 at 18:18:04 (EST)
So sad about Herby.
May god bless his soul,he was always so kind to me and to people I send to Dacars.He was also a sponsor of WACAHAPA.
Smooches I'm leaving town this Thursday,try to call me asap.I no longer have your # because something terrible happenned to my phone memory.
240-463-7196
Jean Claude Vivens <jcvivens@mris.com>
Wheaton, MD - Monday, March 15, 2004 at 17:54:39 (EST)
So sad about Herby.
May god bless his soul,he was always so kind to me and to people I send to Dacars.He was also a sponsor of WACAHAPA.
Smooches I'm leaving town this Thursday,try to call me asap.I no longer have your #,because something terrible happenned to my phone memory.
240-463-7196
Jean Claude Vivens <jcvivens@mris.com>
Wheaton, MD - Monday, March 15, 2004 at 17:52:39 (EST)
Haitians are dying; nothing new, but now they're dying by the guns of US Marines also.
The tides are changing, more and more people are starting to question the US role in the coup in Haiti.
map swiv
- Monday, March 15, 2004 at 17:19:56 (EST)
Smoochees, mes sympathies...
Yopran'm
- Monday, March 15, 2004 at 15:29:43 (EST)
SEE YOU AT ZANZIBAR SMOOCHES !!!!
GRANDEFEMME
- Monday, March 15, 2004 at 14:33:27 (EST)
I just found out that we have lost a well known haitian in our community. I don't have much info yet. He was very close to my familly. He's name was Herby and he worked at DARCARS TOYOTA in the finance department on cherry hill lane. He died Saturday at work.
smoochees
- Monday, March 15, 2004 at 14:33:16 (EST)
Bon mezanmi apa mwen tande ke yo paka fe gouvenman jiskaprezan an Ayiti paske tout pati politik bezouin gin minis pa yo. Alatraka pou ou ti peyi. Ki kote ou moun brale avek ban visie sa yo. Mwen mem Pemyie Minis-la, mwen mand tout rezime-yo.
Ayisyen
Ayisyen
- Monday, March 15, 2004 at 13:57:45 (EST)
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Silver Spring, MD - Sunday, March 14, 2004 at 15:37:38 (EST)
gooooaalllllllll
gooooaalllllllll
Ammmweeeeeeeeedd
Haiti is whooping ass
PR
- Saturday, March 13, 2004 at 21:35:26 (EST)
Football fans, Haiti-vs-USA tonight on pay-per-view
PR
- Saturday, March 13, 2004 at 06:59:02 (EST)
Mr Patterson fèk di ni Haiti ni US ké li ka résévwa moune li vlé la kay li.
Chimè yo di ké yo pral kontré Titid Jamayik
Géra Latortu di pa gen lajan pou réfè lamé é li contan ké Titid té rétiré moune sa yo sou moune.
Pwazon
Silver Spring, Md - Friday, March 12, 2004 at 20:52:52 (EST)
Smooches,médame et la triyé si nou pa vwa nan carimi na vwa nan trankill.En natadan dada'm bouké chita,et dé pié'm ap mandé compas,mwen pa bézwen di nou pou dévan'm
Pwazon
Silver Spring, Md - Friday, March 12, 2004 at 19:35:51 (EST)
We are in the completion stages of the Bluewaterpages.com
This is an extension of the Philadelphia Haitian community directory. The community directory is a yellow pages dedicated to help the community members (organizations, business owners, professionals and members, etc) in different parts of the United States. We first completed the Philadelphia community directory but now we are including NY, NJ with other states to follow ( DC, FL, CH, etc).If you are interested in our project or if you are interested in getting your business/ organization listed in our paper directory and in our website Bluewaterpages.com ,please contact us and visit our site and let us know how we can help you.
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- Friday, March 12, 2004 at 19:27:13 (EST)
Aristide's latest plan to visit Jamaica for 10 weeks have many people questioning his motive. While most of us can agree that this move undoubtedly will fan the current fire in Haiti, others say that it's "business" related. According to an unidentified source, Aristide is planning to invest in Jamaica. Amid a dilema which is he the center peice, Aristide wants to start investing in Jamaica, yet he is not seeking political assylum in Jamaica. I don't about the rest of guys on echodhaiti, something isn't right. Let's entertain the "investing venture" idea in Jamaica, so Aristide is using millions of Haitians money to further Jamaican society? Why Jamaica? Is it to rub it in the face of Haitians? Either way you look at Aristide latest move, there is something fundamentally wrong.
This dude has no class!
Let see how this thing unflods!
PR
- Friday, March 12, 2004 at 18:39:46 (EST)
Below are bits and peices from an article, the link is also provided.
-AU-PRINCE, Haiti (Reuters) - U.S. Marines fought new gunbattles in Haiti as consternation spread on Friday in the poor, strife-torn nation over plans by ousted President Jean-Bertrand Aristide to return to the Caribbean.
Marine Staff Sgt. Tim Edwards said a patrol came under attack in Port-au-Prince twice on Thursday evening.
"Neither the Marines nor the gunmen suffered casualties," Edwards said.
A shotgun was found when U.S. soldiers and Haitian police searched the area of the firefight in the heavily looted industrial zone of Saint Martin near the airport, but no one was arrested.
The gunmen are suspected of being Aristide supporters,
His proximity a mere 115 miles from Haiti's shores could fuel discontent in the slums where he enjoyed the most support, and which disarmament experts say are awash with firearms.
Two people died and at least six were injured on Thursday when police fired tear gas to break up a pro-Aristide rally by thousands of people, and militants whipped out guns - including high-powered Uzis - to shoot back at police.
"(Jamaican Prime Minister P.J.) Patterson is making a very big mistake," opposition leader Charles Baker, a wealthy industrialist, said in an interview.
'BLOOD ON HIS HANDS'
"Aristide will inflame passions and give more fuel to his assassins. If people are killed in Haiti with Aristide in Jamaica, Patterson will have part of the blood on his hands."
(Additional reporting by Amy Bracken)
By Michael Christie and Ibon Villelabeitia
Source: Drudge Report
URL: http://news.myway.com/top/article/id/195592|top|03-12-
http://www.africancrisis.org/NewsView.asp?Rec=2188&Action=V&Sort=D&Page=1&
PR
columbia, MD - Friday, March 12, 2004 at 17:57:56 (EST)
Y'all got to be sh&*^i^@#ting me!!!!!!!
Because he is going to be in Jamaica, you have him getting arms from South Africa, and rallying his "chimeres"?????
Where do you all get this stuff????
PR, You've spit out alot of rhetoric, but I never thought you would go so low.
That is ridiculous.
map swiv
- Friday, March 12, 2004 at 15:17:20 (EST)
I am a journalist and I need information urgently on
Evans Paul, Mischa Gaillard and Andy Apaid jnr.
I need everything about them, but balance information
please.
I need it today and would prefer English translation.
Merci'.
Erica Virtue <pretty_black_woman2000@yahoo.com>
- Friday, March 12, 2004 at 13:16:03 (EST)
It a psychological, organizational, as a well as accessibility move. He will organize his terror network, fuel his chimeres as they know that he is not very far, and he will be more accessible. And remember, Mkeki of South Africa sent arms to Haiti but never reached there, instead, reached Jamaica. Who knows what kind of weapons that are now waiting and available to Aristide and his mercenaries. You're right, Aristide cares about no one.
PR
Columbia, MD - Friday, March 12, 2004 at 13:08:19 (EST)
Grandefemme......CARIMI is still on. Rendez-vous a se nan ZANZIBAR
smoochees
- Friday, March 12, 2004 at 12:56:42 (EST)
To correct EchodHaiti, Ti Maurice will be in Jamaica for 8 to 10 weeks not a few days.
What do you guys think? My opinion is he'll be there to meet with his "Chimeres" and plan his return... They better keep an eye on him... At this point, he doesn't care about anyone...
"In Jamaica, Prime Minister P.J. Patterson said Thursday that Aristide, who fled to Africa on Feb. 29 amid a bloody rebellion, would visit his country early next week and stay for eight to 10 weeks."
Mirna
- Friday, March 12, 2004 at 12:29:11 (EST)
Echodhaiti,
I read the same thing. Prime minister Patterson is mingling in affairs that do not concern him. Aristide lastest attempt is only going to fuel the unrest and cause more violence. He will hang himself!
PR
Columbia, MD - Friday, March 12, 2004 at 12:07:01 (EST)
According to the Associated Press, former Haitian president Mr. Jean-Bertrand Aristide and his wife Mildred Trouillot-Aristide will travel to Jamaica to visit his kids who are still in the US. Mr. Arisitide and his wife have been in exile in the Central African Republic Since Sunday Ferburay 29, 2004 when he lelf Haiti aboard a jet provided by the US government. The Jamaican government says the former Haitian leader will be in Jamaica just for a few days and will not say there. According to a Jamaican governement spokesperson, the former Haitian president is not seeking asylum there.
www.echodhaiti.com <www.echodhaiti.com>
- Friday, March 12, 2004 at 10:52:41 (EST)
Luv on Echo d. I lut it!
Lass yeer twas Melnda n dat dude... watt eva happen 2 dat?
Joseph may b U could hook up wit Grandefemme?
Ncog
Washington, DC - Friday, March 12, 2004 at 10:29:07 (EST)
Hey Maryland what's up ?
this is DJ Kiko , I'm new in md, so I heard there's a lot of beautiful Haitian girls here, 23 >> 30 yold . so don't be shy, contact me! Well ! I’m a kind of quite person, very honest, educated, passionate, I’m a computer engineer since 1995.
I’m only interested in talking to a haitian girl who know how to carry a good conversation. No holster please!
I’m single and wouldn’t mind getting to know a girl to see where it may lead. So here's my email address djkiko_72@yahoo.com
Joseph <djkiko_72@yahoo.com>
hyattsville, md - Friday, March 12, 2004 at 08:06:40 (EST)
I just receive confirmation that "Haiti A Suivre" can use the council chamber of the city of Takoma Park to video tape a show in front of a live audience regarding the situation in Haiti.
If you are interested to make your voice/opinion heard,this is the time.The show will be recorded on Sunday the 28th of March at 6pm.Plan to be there by 5 pm because once the taping starts the doors will be locked.
Call JCV PRODUCTIONS at 240-463-7196 "asap" to reserve your seat and to receive futher instructions.
Jean Claude Vivens <jcvivens@mris.com>
Wheaton, md - Thursday, March 11, 2004 at 18:06:32 (EST)
HAS THE CARIMI PARTY BEEN ADVERTISED? IT WILL BE AT ZANZIBAR SO I HOPE IT WILL BE GOOD.
P.S IM LOOKING FOR A DATE LOL!!!
GRANDEFEMME
SILVER SPRINGS , MD - Thursday, March 11, 2004 at 16:55:21 (EST)
Aji....Flex rentre hier. Wap jwen li kay E.
smoochees
- Thursday, March 11, 2004 at 09:09:27 (EST)
Agi, sak-ap fet, pale ave-m pitit gason-m, sak gen nan
loj. Ban-m yon kol pa-m.
Le Plus Haut
White Oak, - Wednesday, March 10, 2004 at 18:15:57 (EST)
Les forces d'occupation n'ont pas levé le petit doigt
pour protéger les personnes et les biens.
Et ils ne le lèveront jamais
par Gérard Bissainthe
Que ceux qui se faisaient et se font encore des illusions sur la mission de la
Wran
USA - Wednesday, March 10, 2004 at 15:41:44 (EST)
Yopranm....marin djazz? Se jouda mwen bezwen al fe wi. Mwen bezwen we sou kisa mesye yo kanpe. Byen ke aji di yo TRANKIL....mwen ta rinmin we si se vre tout de bon....lol
Aji....I'm only kidding. I take your word....but I still want to hear them practice.
smoochees
- Wednesday, March 10, 2004 at 14:15:09 (EST)
Copy and paste
http://images.snapfish.com/339;;6:323232fp54=ot>2329=23234;5936:33ot1lsi
smoochees
- Wednesday, March 10, 2004 at 14:12:09 (EST)
Smoochee's eske jazz gin marin' deja? Yo pap cheche chantez, pouki ou pa aplike? lol... Girl I am teasing...
Yopran'm
- Wednesday, March 10, 2004 at 14:08:49 (EST)
Try this link....copy and paste it
http://www.shutterfly.com/osi.jsp?i=67b0de21b34e2b5425b0
smoochees
- Wednesday, March 10, 2004 at 14:08:14 (EST)
click on the link below
smoochees <http://www.shutterfly.com/osi.jsp?i=67b0de21b34e2b5425b0>
- Wednesday, March 10, 2004 at 14:03:54 (EST)
Lisez Messieurs,
La Beaute d'une Femme:
La beauté d'une femme n'est pas dans
les vêtements qu'elle porte, son
visage ou sa façon d'arranger ses
cheveux. La beauté d'une femme se
voit dans ses yeux, car c'est la
porte ouverte sur son coeur,
la source de son amour.
La beauté d'une femme n'est pas dans
son maquillage, mais dans la vraie
beauté de son âme. C'est la tendresse
qu'elle donne, l'amour, la passion
qu'elle exprime.
La beauté d'une femme se développe
avec les années.
Semwen
Glendale, MD - Wednesday, March 10, 2004 at 13:41:15 (EST)
Aji....ou kon movemen yo....lol (smile). Li te ka mande E vraiment....lol. Why me? Se moun pa'm li ye....lol.
Anyway, I'll give him your number. Ki le djazz la repete? I would to assist one of your repetition. If that's possible. That way i can give you guys some feedback. Mwen senti TRANKILL ap solid. Se ke'm ki cho konsa wi. Mwen pa ka tan Avril.
Ou konnin fok mwen la kan meme. Juste voye VIP kat mwen banm.
smoochees
- Wednesday, March 10, 2004 at 09:26:11 (EST)
So this is where the Haitian people in DC meet to discuss politics. GOOD SITE!!!
Mwen we Andre Apaid ap Aristide pou l negosye. Kot sa n gen la a pou na l separe a. Ti kal pouvwa a pa menm ase. Pa gen ase pouvwa la a pou n separe avek Ameriken.
All joking aside, I am not happy with the way Aristide was removed from office. But Aristide should move on... Haiti needs a fresh start.
Evel
Silver Spring, MD - Tuesday, March 09, 2004 at 21:45:46 (EST)
Smooches,you may give my public # any time to any body,mais entre nous ma chère ou connen zanmi yan té ka mandé E or E.Li té bézwen fè you ti palé avè'w,nan chèché ti pawol li mandé'w # Agi.
Just joking to take a break from this politik voyé pié here on echo.By the way sister the show is getting closer,the flyer is now out,it will soon be posted here on echo.
TRANKILL-TRANKILL- TRANKILL
Jazz la TRANKILL fanatik yo PoZé -- STaFF PoZé
Rendez vous 10 Avril nan NAPOLI et LE 11 Avril(Dimanche Paques) nan Los Arrieros.
OU PA KA PALA SMOOCHES-KI DWA'W POU PA TA LA -STaFF PoZé.
Agimal
Wheaton, MD - Tuesday, March 09, 2004 at 18:03:54 (EST)
oh OK.....I cirrrrrrrrr.....lol. En tou ka map swiv ou sou board la. Bali Boliva ;)
smoochees
- Tuesday, March 09, 2004 at 10:42:28 (EST)
Hey smooch,
I went into hibernation(winter)! And don't hold anything against me please, I've been in a trance like state for the past month or so.
PR
- Tuesday, March 09, 2004 at 09:57:27 (EST)
Mr. Ajimal....how r ya? Hope all is well. Flex needs to get in touch with you. I'll go ahead and give him your number.
smoochees
- Tuesday, March 09, 2004 at 08:56:53 (EST)
PR....ou resi we'm nan gwo liv la? Pou dat map di'w bonjou/bonswa sou board la. Ou si telman bz nan politik ou pa jenm remake sa.....lol
Ain't nothing up. How r u? Kote'w kache konsa? Moun pa we moun....lol
smoochees
- Tuesday, March 09, 2004 at 08:56:05 (EST)
thank you so much "love for our people"!!! i think that we need to take back our country. i know it will not be easy and it will be a long road. however, we must do this for our children and their children. if not, haiti will die.
jubilee113
brooklyn, ny - Monday, March 08, 2004 at 21:10:43 (EST)
hello all. i know everyone is commenting on haiti's current political climate right now. however, i have some questions about the educational system of haiti. i am an education major and i want to start a summer school in la colline, aquin. i was wondering if anyone knew anything about the educational system of haiti. when does the school year start and end? what is the curriculum like? are there currently any summer schools in haiti (rural or city schools)? thanx in advance.
jubilee113 <jubilee113@hotmail.com>
brooklyn, ny - Monday, March 08, 2004 at 20:59:59 (EST)
"Reuters) - Haitian President Jean-Bertrand Aristide plans to sue the United States and France for allegedly kidnapping him, one of his lawyers said Monday"
The above is an extract from an Yahoo.com article. I have questions for anyone with sense. For conversation sake, let say that JBA sues and win. Who would take him to haiti? How could he effectively resume his presidency? How much blood would be shed as a result?
Whattup smooch?
PR
Columbia, MD - Monday, March 08, 2004 at 17:18:00 (EST)
OO.....sak gin la? Gadon chale. All ya need to cool down. It ain't that serious. Se sak fe peyi nou an nan eta li ye a wi. Nou bat ko nou twop. Chill people....CHHHHIIIIILLLLLL!!!
smoochees
- Monday, March 08, 2004 at 16:52:02 (EST)
"The US "liberates" Haiti from Jean Bertrand Aristide to "avoid a blood bath" - puts in "Democracy" and still people are in hidding, are dying in broad day light."
So so true.
Aristide's terror network is working overtime. After I catch Bin Laden, Aristide's name will be next in line.
That's my Bush
- Monday, March 08, 2004 at 13:09:19 (EST)
The US "liberates" Afganistan from the Taliban - puts in Democracy, and today the country is full of terrorism.
The US "liberates" Iraq from "evil dictator who kills his own people," - puts in Democracy, and today car bombings are common.
The US "liberates" Haiti from Jean Bertrand Aristide to "avoid a blood bath" - puts in "Democracy" and still people are in hidding, are dying in broad day light.
Say "non mèsi" to US help. We can kill ourselves without their "help."
Sad I am You sane
- Monday, March 08, 2004 at 12:04:12 (EST)
Massacre in Haiti.
This what is being reported and I quote:
"Just 8 days after the massive looting and the depart of
JBA. The opposition organize a march today and thousand of people were in the streets. The foreign army were parading showing up their massive guns and armored vehicles.
At about 2 PM A mass shooting started from the OP Lavalas with AK 47 and Kadafi and here are the results:
Cesar Milford, Francois Joseph, Ricardo Alwitch Pierre Louis, Ortega a mexican journalist in Canape Vert's Hospital. Pablo Aneli a journalist from AP is wounded.
Daline Dorssaint, Sadrack Jean Pierre, Felix Sheryl, Francois Marie Yolenne, Monbeigne pasteur, Rameau Simon, Jacques Evens, and more wounded people are going to other hospitals.
It has also been reported by Mr. Baker from Groupe 184 that a meeting was organized last night with Yvon Neptune, the Prime Minister, Jocelerme Privert, and other prominent Lavalas leaders to set up this massacre today."
Aristide is pulling serious strings from Bangui, Central Africa.
PR
columbia, md - Sunday, March 07, 2004 at 17:48:36 (EST)
Hum,
Pitidkay has officially been diagnosed with an emotionally inflicted injury resulting from the departure of his idol, JBA. Now he calls himself fighting neo-colonialism. He is delusional. He and Haitian Interest, together, form a synergistic tag-team of idiocy.
Please ignore them!
PR
- Sunday, March 07, 2004 at 16:33:57 (EST)
Pititkay
I do not know what i could have been right about. I just told you to talk about what you know. If you want to combat neocolonialism as you said, you should be talking about the sophisticated crimes committed by the neocolonialists. You should not be saying that PR was carrying a cane, that he went to poor schools, and walked dirt road. You should talk about what you know. What you are doing is trying to make the man look bad because of his position against a regime you probably supported. I am telling you now, you are either confused about who the man is, or you are just another lavallassien. This is exactly what they do: spread lies about people. To tell you the truth, i would be on your side if you were really attacking neocoloniaalism. At that time you would have talked about fortunes that people made in the name of patriotism. A prime example of that is the man you are defending. I personnally did not like the way things went down last week. Aristide should have refused to board the plane and fight. He decided to run, so he can run his mouth again, just like you are doing now. Aristide came on CNN to beg for help to avoid a bloodbath. According to his words from Africa, he was told the very same words. He finally realized that the international was not about to secure his positions, he shifted the fight. That could have worked 14 years ago, but now Aristide is a known liar, people do not believe him anymore.
Pititkay, start talking about neocolonialism, I will be delighted to learn what you know. Respect yourself, and bring arguments that matter in your cause. If you can bring something to the table, we will talk, otherwise find yourself someone else to talk to.
hum
- Sunday, March 07, 2004 at 16:15:53 (EST)
THIS IS A COPY OF THE "RESIGNATION LETTER" SAID TO BE WRITTEN BY ARISTIDE ON THE MORNING OF HIS DEPARTURE ON SUNDAY FEBRUARY 28, 2004. PRESIDENT ARISTIDE HANDED THIS LETTER TO AN AMERICAN DIPLOMAT, MR. MORENO ON THE TARMAC OF TOUSSAIN LOUVERTURE AIRPORT AS A PLANE CHARTERED BY THE PENTAGON TO TAKE HIM INTO EXILE LANDED A 6:00AM.
7 Fevriye 2001,
M te sèmante pou respekte e fè respekte Konstitisyon an.
Aswè a, 28 Fevriye 2004, mwen toujou deside
Respekte e fè respektè Konstitisyon an.
Konstitisyon an se garanti lavi ak lapè.
Konstitisyon an pa dwe nwaye nan san Pèp Ayisyen.
Se pou sa, si aswè a se demisyon m ki pou evite yon beny san,
M aksepte ale ak espwa va gen lavi e non lanmò.
Lavi pou tout moun.
Lanmò pou pèsonn.
Nan respekte Konstitisyon an,
E nan fè respekte Konstitisyon an,
Ayiti va gen lavi ak lapè.
Mèsi.
Lalane <lalane@yahoo.com>
- Sunday, March 07, 2004 at 16:10:47 (EST)
Pititkay
I do not know what i could have been right about. I just told you to talk about what you know. If you want to combat neocolonialism as you said, you should be talking about the sophisticated crimes committed by the neocolonialists. You should not be saying that Pierre was carrying a cane. You should talk about what you know. What you are doing is trying to make the man look bad because his position against a regime you probably supported. I am telling you now, you are either confused about who the man is, or you are just another lavallassien. This exactly what they do: spread lies about people. To tell you the truth, i would be on your side if you were really attacking neocoloniaalism. At that time you would have talked about fortunes that people made in the name of patriotism. A prime example of that is the man you are defending. I personnally did not like th
Well HUM you could have been right 10 years ago. Now I am in it for the Haitian people not for a party or one person.
I am fighting the aristocratic mentality of some haitian folks that the moment they have a dollar or live closer to the white man, they think they should defend the white status quo. They are blinded, they can not even see the neo-colonialism policy that are being put in place throughout the world.
Pititkay
hum
- Sunday, March 07, 2004 at 16:01:06 (EST)
PR can not hang anymore, it is getting hot in here for him. I knew that, now he is sending one of his body guard to do the work for me. Lavalassien me, Well HUM you could have been right 10 years ago. Now I am in it for the Haitian people not for a party or one person.
I am fighting the aristocratic mentality of some haitian folks that the moment they have a dollar or live closer to the white man, they think they should defend the white status quo. They are blinded, they can not even see the neo-colonialism policy that are being put in place throughout the world.
Pititkay
laurel, MD - Sunday, March 07, 2004 at 12:31:29 (EST)
Jacques Beaudoin Ketant on TV
Check your programming for Sunday March 7, 2004 on ABC World News Tonight between 6:00 and & 7:00 PM EST. Jacques Beaudouin Ketant is going to be interviewed. Stay tuned....
I am not sure of the validity of this information.
PR
Columbia, MD - Sunday, March 07, 2004 at 05:05:48 (EST)
"I am above that; therefore I will not post anymore message on this board. It was nice charting with you all."
A guiness book record!
Please make it. Hey PR, speaking of cheating; I thought Pititkay already cheated in your jeep with your wife and let the condom on you baby seat.
Even more disappointing.
Look, I am here on Echodhaiti to help maintain the integrety of this site, no to undermine their hard work . I entertained PitidLakay's nonsense simply to show him that I can interface on any level. I've disproved both of you when you interfaced on a formal level, and I can clown both of you in a not so formal conversation. Now it's obvious that are not very creative, therefore I will ignore both of you modern day dunces.
PR
- Saturday, March 06, 2004 at 21:36:01 (EST)
Oops! Pititkay, I think you are in trouble. LOL. PR butt buddy (Hum) is not happy with you. I am dying to see the website myself. Please make it. Hey PR, speaking of cheating; I thought Pititkay already cheated in your jeep with your wife and let the condom on you baby seat.
Haitian Interest
- Saturday, March 06, 2004 at 19:54:31 (EST)
A cane? A pimp?
Dude, you got the wrong guy! I am not the one pimping your wife! When you kiss her tonight, make sure you aren't got someone else babies on your lips.
I really thought you could entertain me. I am disappointed with you.
Let me get back to work. I hope you find you're man!
Hit me up when you can hang,son!
PR
columbia, md - Saturday, March 06, 2004 at 16:13:00 (EST)
Pititkay,
This is the problem with Lavalassien. You are accusing the guy, you do not even know who he is. Now you are telling him he is carrying a can. I need to let you know that you have the wrong target. If he were carrying a cane for real, it would have been to put it up your ...
Hum
- Saturday, March 06, 2004 at 15:34:40 (EST)
Pititkay,
This is the problem with Lavalassien. You are accusing the guy, you do not even know who he is. Now you are telling him he is carrying a can. I need to let you know that you have the wrong target. If he were carrying a can for real, it would have been to put it up your ...
Hum
- Saturday, March 06, 2004 at 15:33:42 (EST)
Folks,
PR Got me going and i have it up to here.
Coming soon the website you all been waiting for WWW.PRTorchenotThearistocrat.net
I am debating about charging a fee to access the site so I can help support the rebuilding effort for the school PR went to.
PR what is the purpose of that cane you are carrying with you? Are you trying to be a pinp, now you know I got info on you.
Pititkay
Laurel, MD - Saturday, March 06, 2004 at 12:26:21 (EST)
Bonjour à tous,
je remercie tous ceux qui m'ont appelé pour présenter leurs meilleurs voeux au group TRANKILL.je remercie également le staff d'ECHODHAITI.COM pour leur support en publiant sur le site la photo du group.
Cher lecteurs ,je prend plaisir à vous annoncer que le group TRANKILL fera son apparition le Samedi 10 Avril prochain au Napoli Italian Restaurant 8241 Georgia ave Silver Spring MD à 9HPM.Le Dimanche 11 Avril vous êtes convié à prendre part à la kermesse de Paques toujours avec le group TRANKILL à Los Arrieros 7926 Georgia Ave Silver Spring MD à 8HPM.
Faites circuler la nouvelle en envoyant des lettres électronics(e-mails)à vos amis,vous pouvez aussi me contacter sur mon portable au(240)463-7196
Accolades sincères a vous tous.
Jean Claude Vivens <jcvivens@mris.com>
washington, MD - Saturday, March 06, 2004 at 10:30:01 (EST)
Oh Boy...
You would do all that for me, Pitidkay. I must mean a whole lot to you. Go a ahead built a site show people where I used to live, which schools I attended, and the dirt roads I travelled on. But it's seems that you have more of an issue with the where you used to live, the schools you attended, and the dirt roads you travelled on, more than I do. I insist that you "expose" me, otherwise, shup your ass up, beeooocchhhh. Man UP, dude.
PR
- Saturday, March 06, 2004 at 04:46:12 (EST)
PR,
One thing for sure I do not need Friends that are " ti sousou", people who sell their souls for a meager dollar, people who lack integrity.
I will help you if you are stock on I-95 and that will be the end of it. Friend as a bigger meaning to me, not everyone can be mine.
Is very funny, you are talking like you were born in the bourgeoisie, I know where to use to live. Do not let me put you out and I have people who can back me up.
So shut your mouth before I start busting your today aristocratic point of view. And if you insist on challenging me I will create a web site to show where you used to live, shool you went to and some of the dirt road you used to walk in the mourning. It is my past and I am not ashame of it, I am working so others do not have to follow that path.
"Larivie aveti pa tie kokobe"
pititkay
Laurel, MD - Friday, March 05, 2004 at 21:08:33 (EST)
NCOG, welcome back!
Yopran'm
- Friday, March 05, 2004 at 14:24:01 (EST)
Wheeeeeee, its get'n HOT n herrrr!!
"I'm back Baby!." Yo, on de serious tip. Hav annie won red de journal page of dis site (haiti2004)?? Watts up wit dat picture??
Ncog
Washington, DC - Friday, March 05, 2004 at 13:32:34 (EST)
PR, if you are stranded on I-95, i will unconditionnally help you.It your dangerous ideas which I don't share.
Ayiti
Ayiti
- Friday, March 05, 2004 at 11:39:11 (EST)
I WOULD LIKE TO GO TO THE DEMONSTRATION ON SATURDAY MARCH 11TH. ANYONE INTERESTED IN GOING AS A GROUP OR ACOMPANY ME? EMAIL ME AT CDELUXXE1@AOL.COM
C <CDELUXXE1@A0L.COM>
LAUREL, MD - Friday, March 05, 2004 at 10:09:38 (EST)
Haitian Interest, Thanks for your ASSumption about where I was born and my demeanor. No one is exempt from the "dirt roads" regardless where you were born in Haiti and what your social-economic background. But all this is irrelevant to current discussion.
Please don't flatter yourself. This a forum for debates and discussions, not a place for making new friends. I am rich with friends from all walks of life and backgrounds. The fact of the matter most of you can deal with somebody else disagreeing with you. God fordid that somebody disaccords with you, he or she must be aristocratic. You have failed to look at the real issues here.
P.S.I am not a rebel without a cause, I just don't have an unconditional vested interest in anything or anyone. Perhaps that's something you should try.
Good luck to you!
PR
- Friday, March 05, 2004 at 08:25:33 (EST)
Haiti
You are the Mother of our struggle. You will never die. The reality of your suffering is the root of our devotion.
We will win. They will cut us down and we will rise again. We are many. Our tears are the dew in the medow of truth. They will drown there. We are the masters, our time is coming. Our leaders know us, their leaders know no one and fear all. Yes, Fidel is a muse. Tousaint leads us still. No paper tiger can tread where these fires burn for long.
Respect.
Stephen Paulmier
Philadelphia, PA - Tuesday, March 02, 2004 at 00:23:19 (EST)
Love For My People <Thanks Stephen>
- Friday, March 05, 2004 at 04:19:53 (EST)
Please keep in mind, the embarrasing and unfortuante events that have taken place in Haiti during our bicenntennial year is not about one man. It is about a power. It is about greed. And it will get us no where. For those who see the vision and want to work towards a better tomorrow Haiti, I would like to submit the following info with peace, reconcilliation and love for OUR PEOPLE.
READ, FORWARD, AND MOBILIZE!!!!
A CALL TO END THE VIOLENCE AND TERRORISM IN HAITI!!!
Our brothers and sister in Haiti are in danger! The U.S. has removed President Aristide by force, against his will, and now former Haitian military and FRAPH death squad commandos are terrorizing Haitian people. That is why we are calling
for an END TO THE VIOLENCE and terrorism in Haiti. In addition, the United States MUST END its covert operations to undermine the process of democracy and respect the Haitian people?s vote!
According to P.J. Patterson, Jamaica?s Prime Minister and Chairman of the Caribbean Community (Caricom), ?The removal of President Aristide in these circumstances sets a dangerous precedent for democratically elected governments anywhere and everywhere, as it promotes the removal of duly elected persons from office by the power of rebel forces.?
We Are Demanding Answers and a Congressional Investigation Surrounding The Coup Against President Aristide. We Are Also Calling For the Arrest And Prosecution of Murderous Thugs Who Continue To Terrorize Innocent Haitian People, Including
Our Children.
NOW is the time for friends and supporters of Haiti who support the rule of law, and the principles of real democracy to join hands with the Haitian people.
Enough is enough. SAY NO to the Bush Doctrine of unconstitutional regime change in Haiti and around the World.
Join us in front of the White House and let?s stand up for democracy NOW!!!
Event: Demonstration to Support Democracy in Haiti
When: Saturday, March 6, 2004 at 11:00 am
Where: Lafayette Park next to the White House
Nearest Metros - McPherson Sq. on Orange Line and
Farragut West on the Blue line
Travel one block south to H Street and enter park on
H street between 15th and 17th streets.
Co-Sponsors: Global Justice Inc., Haiti Action Center, TransAfrica Forum, Let Haiti Live, Coalition for a Just U.S. Policy, Black Voices for Peace, Pastors for Peace, EPICA(Ecumenical Program on Central America and the Caribbean), No War on Cuba Movement.
Visit www.10thdepartment.org for more information.
Love For My People
- Friday, March 05, 2004 at 03:53:36 (EST)
PititKay, I think what Pierre is trying to tell you is that he was born in Port-au-Prince. He didn't have to walk on those dusty roads. He's somewhat above the rest of the population. TYPICAL HAITIAN ATTITUDE! Some things never change!!!
Pierre, you are right. I would leave you on I-95. I don't think I want anyone with that kind of attitude around me. I guess some people don't like Aristide because the don't aprove of his image. TYPICAL HAITIAN ATTITUDE ALSO. Some of us argue just for the sake of arguing. I am above that; therefore I will not post anymore message on this board. It was nice charting with you all.
YOU ARE A REBEL WITHOUT CAUSE!
Haitian Interest
- Friday, March 05, 2004 at 02:19:30 (EST)
Laughing my ass off@ Pitiddeyo. Are you alright,man? Do you need a friend? I'll be your friend, anything for you.
PR
- Thursday, March 04, 2004 at 21:47:23 (EST)
PR, I know you are an opportunist, very soon you will change side.
"Je serais parvenu sur ce mont escape si seulement comme toi je savais rampe"
Do you remember those dusty roads that you used to walk to get to school. Have the vision that other haitian kids do not have to take that path.
I never forget those days that is why i am working for a better Haiti. I am not working to maintain a man in power but to give respect to the voice of my people.
That's all I got for you
PititKay
Laurel, MD - Thursday, March 04, 2004 at 21:31:16 (EST)
Le Plus Haut, I beg for your forgiveness. We've known each other for well over 10 years, I wouldn't jeopardize my friendship with you over an ex-dictator. I will call Jean Claude and get in your number.
PR
- Thursday, March 04, 2004 at 20:32:20 (EST)
Pititkay, it was a yes or no question. You're making the Lavalas party look bad right now. You need some training.
PR
Tabarre, Haiti - Thursday, March 04, 2004 at 20:23:42 (EST)
Also, I do not think I need to nurture my ego.
One think for sure among us there are some oportunistic elements that need to shut their mouths. They have completely forgotten where they came from.
Yesterday their parents could not afford buying them breakfast before they went to school, but today by divine luck they find themselves in the USA, they simply forgot their past.
My friend you should humble yourself, remember your past and do not step over the heads of the 7.5 million haitians who are living with a maximum of a dollar a day. You used to be there at some point.
Do you understand me now, Hope you turn around and embrace your past
PititKay
Laurel, MD - Thursday, March 04, 2004 at 19:29:59 (EST)
Also, I do not think I need to nurture my ego.
One think for sure among us there are some oportunistic elements that need to shut their mouths. They have completely forgotten where they came from.
Yesterday their parents could not afford buying them breakfast before they went to school, but today by divine luck they find themselves in the USA, they simply forgot their past.
My friend you should humble yourself, remember your past and do not step over the heads of the 7.5 million haitians who are living with a maximum of a dollar a day. You used to be there at some point.
Do you understand me now, Hope you turn around and embrace your past
PititKay
Laurel, MD - Thursday, March 04, 2004 at 19:29:15 (EST)
Sure I will help you because I see you as a Human being but I do not know if you think like one
PititKay
Laurel, MD - Thursday, March 04, 2004 at 19:14:33 (EST)
Here we have Lavalas sympathizers wishing violence on Haiti just to nurture their bruised egos.
Before I respond to your comments and questions, I need to know something. Would you guys help me if I was stranded on I-95 right now? Ayiti, Hatian interest, and others, i don't feel the love and unity anymore.
Pierre Richard
Columbia, MD - Thursday, March 04, 2004 at 18:47:14 (EST)
To the real Haitians,
Those who continue to support the fight for Honesty and dignity, Do not get discouraged by the recent events.
The Battle continues,
After all 1804 did not happen overnight.
Pretty soon the enemies of the Haitian people will be fighting each other: Merican vs Guy Phillipe VS Chambelain VS 184/184 (1,1,1,you can finish the math)
Look at them now they look confused they can even put a government in place.
Like Che used to say:
Hasta la victoria siempre
Let's organize ourselves evenmore and weed out the black restavek among us, No DOLLARS no M-16 will stop us.
Nou se pitit Boukman, Toussaint, Dessalines, Petion Mariejeanne, Cathrine Flon Charlemagne Peralte, Nou pa jam sispan goumam pou libete ak dignite
PititKay
Laurel, MD - Thursday, March 04, 2004 at 18:17:09 (EST)
Here is a link to that article; http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/nationworld/bal-md.haitians04mar04,0,2337765.story?coll=bal-nationworld-headlines
Marc-Andre Heritier
- Thursday, March 04, 2004 at 14:49:48 (EST)
There is an article published today by The Baltimore Sun about NOAH an Haitian organization based in Silver Spring apparently. The chairman of that organization says essentially; what happened happened we should just move on regarding the removal of Aristide from power.
Marc-Andre Heritier
- Thursday, March 04, 2004 at 14:49:06 (EST)
A lot of people in this country think that the last election was a scam and that Bush is corrupt...would it be right for a coup d'etate to happen here? So why then is it acceptable for our corrupt leader to experience this solution? Ayicien yo fe'm wront...The US played a big role in everything that happened (behind the scenes)...and the Haitians are just left bickering among themselves looking stupid like usual...for some reason it seems education does not negate ignorant behavior in Haitian culture.
question
- Thursday, March 04, 2004 at 14:43:55 (EST)
Pierre,
I now realize that I cannot help you.Therefore"each one, help one" does nopt apply to you. I failed to see how you want a better Haiti. All you care about is getting rid of Aristide. I will not return the favor to you. i could have replied in kind. I could have said that your friends Guy phillipe and Chamblain got rid of your no 1 ennemi.
I am not an Aristide supporter . nor a Lavalas member. Unlike you, I believe in principles. No matter how innefective an elected leader is, no one has the right to overthrow him through illegal means.
Ayiti
- Thursday, March 04, 2004 at 14:01:07 (EST)
PR, my brother, as my longtime friend, you are so passionate about this dillema going on in haiti you came close to insult me, and I understand. Let's try to be real with ourselves; tell me one haitian person you come across and you know for sure if he/she was the president of haiti and a cartel in Columbia is trafficking drug through haiti to the us, who wouldn't try to get their cut. As a neutral person when it comes to politics I had to ask you this question, because you said that the us had accused Aristide of helping drug traffickers. Now that Aristide is gone let's forget about politics for a minute LOL. On a serious note, I really need to talk to you, it's urgent. I don't know how to get in touch with you besides echo d'haiti. If you could give Agimal a call, he could give you my number, or, I can call him to see if he has your number. PR, it's really urgent.
Le Plus Haut
White Oak, Md - Thursday, March 04, 2004 at 12:28:37 (EST)
Having been an observer on this site it is clear there posters on this site who have used demagoguery, rumors, innuendoes along with assumptions to solidify their arguments. In the absence of well articulated arguments to the contrary they appear to hold the bully pulpit and start smell their own aroma. A high level of emotions have been invested in Jean-Bertrand Aristide personally, while it remains true as the head of the Haitian government he is ultimately responsible for what has happened in Haiti in the past 10 years he should be clear that democracy is a flawed system. Politicians all over the world exploit the weakness of the democratic system to their advantage daily. The facts that we must deal with is 1-Mr. Aristide was democratically elected in a process as flawed the as any. If you don't agree I would be interested hearing about an election in which the losing side did not accuse the other of improprieties.
2- Terrorists/convicted criminals and accused drug dealers who come from other countries to destabilize the government of a sovereign nation should not be negotiated with. Guy Phillipe on Wednesday that he would go to other cities and inform fellow thugs of an agreement he had made to lay down arms. He made the declaration after a meeting at the residence of the US Ambassador James Foley earlier in the day. Yet Washington is calling him and his comrade’s unsavory characters. Okay!
3- An essential part of the democratic process is the sharing of power. We should all be reminded the so-called opposition party in Haiti refused that option when presented with such a proposal during the crisis.
4- The US, The UN, The OAS, The IMF, the World Bank of all these organizations under the leadership of the Bush administration suspended aid to Haiti. I should remind you that Haiti is a country where 80% of the government's budget is from foreign aid. The Aid suspension posture ultimately strangled the economy and turned the Haitian people against their government.
5- It’s interesting the day that Aristide left Haiti before the UN had approved a mandate for an international security force to Haiti, both the U.S. Canada had Military planes in Haiti that night. A move they had refused to make during the crisis prior to Aristide’s departure.
I could go on and on, not withstanding the Aristide's government's responsibilities it is unquestionable that those who hold Aristide personally and solely responsible for the situation in Haiti are either unwilling or incapable of a fair assessment of the basic concept of government. The action of the U.S. Government was illegal. Marines in Haiti from the U.S. or any other country will not solve the contributing factors that brought us to this. The ruling in economic power in Haiti will never agree to a power sharing government unless it allows them the continuance of the status quo. Aristide was a democratically elected president and should have served his term. Any alternative is unacceptable and illegal.
Marc-Andre Heritier <MAH@yahoo.com>
Washington, DC - Thursday, March 04, 2004 at 10:21:20 (EST)
Pierre, I've been reading your comments on this board for a while. Why do you hate Aristide so much? I don't think you really care about the well being of the Haitian people. You are applauding what Guy Philippe did in Haiti; that's like a making a deal with the devil. What happened in Haiti is a threat to democratically elected officials all over the world. This is something we should take very serious. I don't think Aristide was perfect. I am also positive that there was a better way to resolve this issue. Colin Powell said Aristide was not forced out of office. I should also remind you that Colin Powell was the same man who testified at UN about Iraq's WMD. The US gov't do have a credibility problem. The point is you should not believe everything you read on the newspaper. Whether we liked Aristide or not, he was our president and Washington has not right to remove him from office.
Haitian Interest
- Thursday, March 04, 2004 at 01:23:05 (EST)
Boy look at what happened to Guy Phillipe in Haiti. The haitian was used and then told to lay down his weapon and go home. What an insult?. If I were Guy Phillipe, I put a bullet in my head. We haitians never learned whether in Haiti or in the diaspora. Yesterday in an interview with Alex Saint Surin in Miami, K-Plim (Evans Paul) claimed that the opposition has agreed on a role for Guy Phillipe in the new government and today look at what has happened. When will they learn? Salop sa yo pap jan'n sispan apran.
Ayisyen
- Wednesday, March 03, 2004 at 23:04:12 (EST)
Againts my better judgement I went out with a haitian {EDITED BY WEBMASTER} of a male species. If I could only turn back time, I would turn that piece of {EDITED BY WEBMASTER} away the moment he opened his big fat mouth to talk to me. What a stupid fool I was to have anything to do with him. We hadn't gone any farther than kissing in the 'relationship' the night I let that literal bastard sleep over. Big mistake... I woke up and to my horror that foul excuse for a human being was inside of me!!@!@5e'l[[INSIDE OF ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!i I COULDN'T BELEIVE IT!!I don't think I've ever felt so filthy and violated in all my life. And HIS FATHER IS A PREACHER!!!HA. A preacher's son raped me! I became pregnant because of that night, which I did not consent to. I DID NOT CONSENT!!! I WAS ASLEEP AND HE TOOK ADVANTAGE OF THE SITUATION. HE DECIDED THAT THAT WAS WHAT I WANTED, BUT YET I WAS NOT CONSCIOUS!!!! This was a couple of years ago, and up to this day he still feels like he has done nothing wrong! He said that I looked to inviting as I slept, and that as a 'man' what else could he have done. I know that no real man would rape a woman, he still dosen't realize the animal that he is. I BECAME PREGNANT DUE TO AN ACT THAT I DID NOT CONSENT TO!!!!!
I hope that that bastard and all like him pay for their actions. I hope they suffer and feel the kind of torment a person goes through when they are violated like that.
ren <bren2be@yahoo.com>
- Wednesday, March 03, 2004 at 16:57:42 (EST)
Sorry
from CNN.com
U.S. State Department spokesman Richard Boucher said Washington did not recognize Philippe's claim to authority and called on the rebels to lay down their arms.
"There is an orderly and constitutional political process under way in Haiti," Boucher said.
"That process needs to be respected by all Haitians, but we're glad to see the violence in decreasing. But the rebels have no role to play in this process and they need to lay down their arms and go home."
Boucher said there was a distinction between the democratic opposition groups seeking a role in a new Haitian government and "groups that perpetrated violence so widely and broadly against the Haitian people in recent weeks."
"We all know that these various individuals involved in this armed violence, many of them have a very unsavory history, to say the least," Boucher said. "We do not believe that those people are welcome in the political process."
But Philippe said he would not take orders from other countries.
map swiv
- Wednesday, March 03, 2004 at 16:21:34 (EST)
By the way...
From CNN.com:
>
Ladies and Gentleman, since Haitian politics is a sport, coming up next:
The Battle of Group 184 vs. Guy Phillipe vs. America's State Department
please stay tuned after these messages.
map swiv
- Wednesday, March 03, 2004 at 16:20:47 (EST)
Mapswiv,
Thank you for concern and your point is well taken. But I do believe that the people on this board understand that our debates are for entertainment purposes only. I express my opinions as a concern Haitian, not offend any anyone. We have a real situation on our hands, while we may differ in our views on how to solve it, but I think we all want to see Haiti prosper. And it is on that ground that we engage in passionate discussions. If I offend anyone personally, please forgive me, that is not what I stand for. But I stand behind my beliefs.
P.S. I am not a Duvalierist by any means. I think most families suffered to some level under the Duvalier regime, mine included.
PR
Columbia, MD - Wednesday, March 03, 2004 at 15:36:16 (EST)
PR,
Listen, or read this carefully. You are the only one here using your real name. Your views and your statements are strong.
Some people on this board have lost families to the Duvalier (I and II) regimes, the coup of 1991 and the years that follow, and some will lose people that they care for in the near future. So, please, (this is an advice) be careful.
I do admire you for at least using your real name to your statements, but understand my friend that no one else on this board is.
map swiv
- Wednesday, March 03, 2004 at 15:08:46 (EST)
Apanou, six months from now, they all will be getting AIDS and will receive treatment at Dr. Paul Farmer's Clinic.
Seli
- Wednesday, March 03, 2004 at 14:43:54 (EST)
Ayiti, are you crying bricks? No more remedies for Haiti? No more "each one, help one. Nuff said". Do you need a moment to get yourself together?
"I see he forgot to mention Chamblain. Intentional?"
Yes!
Ayiti, you can start digging a rathole similar to Saddam's because your man is about to be kicked out of Central Africa for causing trouble already.
Lavalas k k.
PR
columbia, md - Wednesday, March 03, 2004 at 14:23:13 (EST)
Today in the Associated Press, I read "The rebels were still celbrating their victory over Aristide, who they accused of human rights violations and corruption. Accompanied by prostitutes, about 50 rebels drank heavily in a luxury hotel late on Tuesday, slugging back beer as pistols and rifles lay casually on tables or at their sides. Philippe's table ordered three bottle of $90-a-bottle champagne, which hotel sources said they failed to pay for."
This is what some of us were fighting for. On recolte ce qu'on a seme. Ala traka papa. Ala kote ou gen pou we se an Haiti avek Ayisyen.
Apanou
- Wednesday, March 03, 2004 at 14:09:54 (EST)
I guess Columbia ill continue writing lies. Pure nonsense. Aristide is no longer in power. Yet, the opposition man is still blaming him while ignoring the thugs that overthrew an elected president.The thugs who continue killing innocent people now.It is rather he who is intellectually challenged.
It is a shame that so many of us embrace the law of the jungle. Guy Phillipe is your man,the opposition man. I see he forgot to mention Chamblain. Intentional? I would not be surprised if he blamed Aristide for that. Guns only provide for a temporary situation. Getting rid of Aristide in this illegal way only satisfies the Columbia man and company and not Haiti.
Ayiti
- Wednesday, March 03, 2004 at 14:02:05 (EST)
Mapswiv,
What I have been advocating is nothing more than what Victor Hugo said in 1852: " An invasion of armies can resisted,not an idea whose time has come." Aristide has done too much to Haitians but has done to little for them. There is no way that Guy and Metayer could have succeeded to cause so much commotion in Haiti if the people did not when them to. They would have been eaten them alive, literally. Guy Phillipe and Buteur Metayer are leftovers of the Lavalas regime and will soon expire. You have Lavalas sympathizers wishing for violence to satisfy their disappointing egos. The Lavalas regime subjected us to the likes of Guy Phillipe, Amiot and Buteur Metayer, Ronald Cadave. It's a movement that has advocated violence since the begining and has finally buckled under it's own philosophy. No where in the Lavalas equation did democracy hold a spot. Democracy never existed in Haiti. It's a phantom reality that Aristide used to bamboozle the intellectually challenged. The idea for aristide to leave was in the making for sometimes now, but has finally rippen.
PR
columbia, md - Wednesday, March 03, 2004 at 13:38:51 (EST)
Mwen pense makout te fini wi. A pa te gin yon denie grin, sak fe nou keyi'l.
Se pou nou pale jen nou vle sou bod la.....pou e kont Aristide,....e pi dat set.
Semwen
Glendale, MD - Wednesday, March 03, 2004 at 13:02:06 (EST)
guy, the chill that I feel down my spine is because I believe the statement is too true.
PR, you got what you've been advocating, but think of all the people who may have had nothing to do with Aristide, but in the name of Democracy they were trying to move the country to a better place. How many of them will be killed? How many are begging for their lives right now? How many children will lose their father? mother? brother? uncle?
Here we go again...
map swiv
- Wednesday, March 03, 2004 at 12:36:49 (EST)
Apa nou kwe ke nou kouri pou la pli e pi nou tombe nan lanme. Some of us thought that they were running for rain and they found themselves falling into the sea. What a pity?
When will we learn?
Bwapiwo
- Wednesday, March 03, 2004 at 12:00:20 (EST)
Lol@Guy
No thanks!
I don't associate with trash, that's a Lavalas legacy. Tout moun konnin ke le lavalas desan'n ce destriksyon fatra li kite deye'l.
I'll tell you what though, your selection choice on Echodhaiti.com is plentiful.
Ta le wap di ke se kidnape yo kidnape tou, malprop.
PRT
columbia, md - Wednesday, March 03, 2004 at 11:59:58 (EST)
I have declared myself in charge of "THE ARMY." I'm good looking, strong, and just toppled off a government in less than 30 days, and before my 36th birthday.
I AM IN CHARGE!!!
That is the Haitian way, and the rule of military supremacy. We, "the rebels" not to be confused with Group 184, hold all the cards. To quote my lieutenant in the US, P-R T., "RIP Lavalas..." meaning, we will end a political party because we disagreed with the leader of the party.
We will systematically hunt down and kill (quietly and without regard to man, woman or child) anyone that was associated with that party. Anyone that uttered words on behalf of the previous government. Anyone who dares say anything positive about Aristide's govenment, or even the past ten years, will be executed.
So, I have decided, because that is the Haitian way...
Merci beaucoup
thank you
Guy PHillip, CIA/FRAPH/REBEL
guy phillip
- Wednesday, March 03, 2004 at 11:24:09 (EST)
What is going on in Haiti? Who is in charge 72 hours after Aristide was forced to leave? What happened to the opposition? Will Haiti become a country ruled by armed gangs? What is going on? Please can someone tell me?
Ayisyen
- Wednesday, March 03, 2004 at 09:53:37 (EST)
We should realize by now that the voices of peaceniks are always there in the background but the voices for changes "at any price even violence" that are usually the most vocals and the loudest. Voice of unity and non-violence has nothing to do with who is in control of Haiti now. Elections can be peacefull coup d'etats with less violence. Unfortunately, in Haiti we always want to change things violently I might add, then we wish we had them back. We kicked Duvalier out then many of us wish he was back, we kicked Manigat out then we wish he was back, then we kicked Aristide out the 1st time then we wanted him back and got him, then we re-elected him again just to kick him out. I just hope that we don't wish he was back a few years from now. I would have love Haiti to go through the process of an election at the end of Aristide term. Everytime we violently overthrew a government, we destroyed many innocent people, properties and many more. We start over two steps back and we never got back to where we were. Maybe that is naive of me. There must be a better way.
Mobutoo
Stafford, VA - Wednesday, March 03, 2004 at 08:44:35 (EST)
Alex, there are many lessons to be learned. One of them is that no one is above the law. The only good thing that I think came out of the Lavalas era, is, the "Convergence". Future leaders will no longer hold the conventional ticket to make and break at will. And here we are at the crossroads once more. We have no choice but change for the better, the world is too small and getting small. We are no longer a remote island where foul things happen secretly and unquestionably. I feel good about our future, even if Aritide was to come back as president.
Henestly, Haitians are as much to blame for Aristide's demise. We armed him, we aggrandized him to a level that he couldnt effectively control himself. He became a megalomaniac, thus caused him his presidency. He was no longer Titid!
The world is watching our every move. It's do or die!
PR
Columbia, MD - Wednesday, March 03, 2004 at 08:02:56 (EST)
"Aristide was not a democrat but how can we accept that another country tells us WHO, WHEN and WHY."
WHO...The US
WHEN... pay as price EVERYTIME
WHY...THEY are FED UP with OUR mess
Alex, because we show up on their shores uninvitedly,invade their highways uninvitedly. When they send us back, we cry foul and accuse them of being racist. The US pays a price everytime things are not going right in Haiti. Aristide called for help. He even threaten that Haitians would flee Haiti by boats to the US. Haitians want autonomy only to a certain extent, unfortunately, it does not work that way. Get it straight or else.
Now Guy Phillipe wants to be the head of the military! Tout sa Aristide kale mete vacabon sa you sou moun, and he paid for it.
We have a false sense of pride, pherhaps that is what keeping us back. When I say we, my self is included.
PR
columbia, MD - Wednesday, March 03, 2004 at 07:42:01 (EST)
Orlando, you have to understand that Aristide was elected president. He made a lot of mistakes, too many in my opinion. I was there in 1990 - 1994. I was a student then, fighting to bring him back to power. The first term was enough. We knew then who he really was after his first five years.
But the US forcing him to leave - I disagree. That was our job to let him know that he should stop the violence in Haiti, stop financing gangs, make sure the justice system works right. Not just against who oppose him.
Aristide was not a democrat but how can we accept that another country tells us WHO, WHEN and WHY.
But you got a good point, violence will not solve any problems. Burning down banks, gas stations, office buildings it’s just growing the number of unemployed people in the country. We misunderstood: “ POUVOIR POPULAIRE (Popular Power)”.
I learn my lessons. I hope you all did. About you PR?
ALEXANON
silver spring, MD - Tuesday, March 02, 2004 at 22:41:32 (EST)
Le plus Haut, I am glad to see you coming back to your senses. As your brother and long time friend, I must keep you in line in trying times, and I know that you would do the same for me.
I know this is an emotional time for many of us. And during such time people say things that aren't very practical or substantial. For example, Aristide is saying that he was "kidnapped," they made and offer he couldn't refuse: resign or face drug charges. The Bush Administration has officially accused Aristide's government of haboring drug traficking.
I am noticing all the talks about unity, remedies for Haiti, are quite scarce nowadays. I guess they ideas for unity were conditional.
RIP Lavalas...
By the way, Le plus Haut, when does soccer start?
Pierre R Torchenot
Columbia, md - Tuesday, March 02, 2004 at 22:16:53 (EST)
It was a coup!Kidnapped or not! Handcuffed or NOT!The thugs( Guy Philippe, Chambelain and company), the opposition, and the U.S planned and succesfully carried this coup .
Ayiti
- Tuesday, March 02, 2004 at 20:56:09 (EST)
What a relief? I was about time. If the former president was really kidnapped by the US I think they were doing us a favor. Could you imagine how many people would have been dead by now if the opposition had taken over in Port-au Prince that Sunday? It would have definitely been worse than it is right now. Now I hope that we will finally come to our senses and put our head together to think about what we can do to help our country. I believe in my heart that we still have good Haitian people who also have the skills necessary to take over the presidency in the country. I want to thank everyone who put his or her life on the line since I did not have the courage to do it myself. I also want to thank those who have been very supportive morally and emotionally. The “Chime” claim to have anything to loose I do not think so. We all have everything to loose. When they burn down everything the inflation will go up in a heartbeat. The wealthy ones can afford paying insurance to protect their assets. Their policies will increase and eventually we will end up paying the price.
Orlando
- Tuesday, March 02, 2004 at 19:32:30 (EST)
PR, I'm sorry if that's how you feel, because, like I said I
could careless about Aristide, it is the mass poor
population that I care about. Yes I agree with you, I'm a
bit emotional, but, for the poor people of haiti not for
Aristide. I understand clearly XX that privatization works,
but, not in third world country like haiti. It will be total
exploitation. PR, XX, and I, all three of us know that
none of the imperialist countries are in the best interest
of haiti, therefore, do we really need it. I would agree for
partial privatization because it's been shown that all the
past haitian government can't do an accurate and
effective job. If we take a look at africa and some
countries in the caribbean and elswhere, it's not in their
best interest, it's just big corporations are getting bigger
and richer.
Le Plus Haut
White Oak, - Tuesday, March 02, 2004 at 18:33:32 (EST)
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- Tuesday, March 02, 2004 at 05:44:32 (EST)
Haiti
You are the Mother of our struggle. You will never die. The reality of
your suffering is the root of our devotion. We will win. They will cut us
down and we will rise again. We are many. Our tears are the dew in the
medow of truth. They will drown there. We are the masters, our time is
coming. Our leaders know us, their leaders know no one and fear all.
Yes, Fidel is a muse. Tousaint leads us still. No paper tiger can tread
where these fires burn for long. Respect.
Stephen Paulmier <stephen.paulmier@verizon.net>
Philadelphia, PA - Tuesday, March 02, 2004 at 00:23:19 (EST)
PANORAMA D'UN PEUPLE
Une éternelle crise sur ma terre a main mise.
Nos soeurs putains en putréfaction
Héros disparus d'une Nation
Blancs de toutes les couleurs
A leur chevet, nos malheurs.
Faut pas les acculer, faut surtout nous accusés.
Nous, pentins de bois,
Brasseros...Boat people...Fuyards...Trouillards
Nous, nègres fiers
D'avoir tué notre mère.
Nous, d'avant nous... Nous d'après nous.
N'a pas suffit, une occupation
Nous demandons prolongation
Femmes indignes, dont dollar est vigne
Bandez-vous seins et fesses
Mais après il faudra faire le TEST.
César aux testicules de colonsColombes relâchées
Nous nageons dans la malpropreté.
J'ai écrit ce texte lors de l'invasion militaire américaine en 1994. Dix ans de cela, à ce qu'il parait rien n'a changé.
L'histoire ne fait que de se répéter.
ALEXANON
silver spring, MD````````````````` - Monday, March 01, 2004 at 22:05:23 (EST)
Le plus haut,
You and I will agree that after so many years, the haitian state has not done a good job in managing the country resources. Maybe, you will be surprised to learn that, state always does poorer in management than the private sector. Give me an example of a country where government run business operate at their best. Privatization is the key to efficiency. We need to bring privatization at all level in the country business. Also, I will outline a mistake you just made to say that Aristide did not follow orders. Aristide has done not much than becoming a partner of the big business people in Haiti. He owned private telecommunication companies, private gas companies and many more things. As fas as an economic embargo you want to talk about, why did not Aristide use some of the money that he has to push the country economically. Do you know now that Aristide is worth more than 1 billion dollars. He could have easily used half of that and stop crying for five hundred millions that the international community refused to give him. You do not think that five hundred millions would be enough for him to live well. Aristide was just another greedy megalomaniac robber. He stole Haiti money and Haitian trust. He should have used the example of Castro to make ends meet with the country own resources. I guess he could not do that because the resources were not enough for him to send to international private banks and pay chimeres.
xxx
- Monday, March 01, 2004 at 21:18:46 (EST)
Le plus haut,
You and I will agree that after so many years, the haitian state has not done a good job in managing the country resources. Maybe, you will be surprised to learn that, state always does poorer in management than the private sector. Give me an example of a country where government run business operate at their best. Privatization is the key to efficiency. We need to bring privatization at all level in the country business. Also, I will outline a mistake you just made to say that Aristide did not follow orders. Aristide has done not much than becoming a partner of the big business people in Haiti. He owned private telecommunication companies, private gas companies and many more things. As fas as an economic embargo you want to talk about, why did not Aristide use some of the money that he has to push the country economically. Do you know now that Aristide is worth more than 1 billion dollars. He could have easily used half of that and stop crying for five hundred millions that the international community refused to give him. You do not think that five hundred millions would be enough for him to live well. Aristide was just another greedy megalomaniac robber. He stole Haiti money and Haitian trust. He used the example of Castro to make ends meet with the country own resources. I guess he could not do that because the resources were not enough for him to send to international private banks and pay chimeres.
xxx
- Monday, March 01, 2004 at 21:16:53 (EST)
Le plus Haut, I over estimated you! Your dissertation is nothing short of an emotional rant.
Pierre R Torchenot
Columbia , MD - Monday, March 01, 2004 at 20:00:03 (EST)
The plot has taken place in the US and continued to
the Dominican Republic and finished in the poor little
Haiti. I do not support any politician because they're all
the same,but with what just took place in haiti this past
sunday, it 's just a shame for democracy. Now, I'm sure
the owners of factories are happy because they can
celebrate cheap labor again to exploite the courage,
thesweat, and the energy of the poor haitians who wake
up everyday before sunrise and get home after sunset
for 3dollars a day to fill the owners pockets with
millions. Those same owners are happy because they
won't have to pay the maximum taxes they suppose to
pay. The US administration is happy because haiti is
going to turn into a private sector, the haitian
government won't have control on anything whatsoever.
My point is that they wanted ARISTIDE to follow orders
and he did not so they make sure they make him pay
for it. Again, I'm not an Aristide supporter because I
don't trust any politician. Also, they never gave him a
chane to fully govern the country, because without the
money that the us has frozen for so long what did one
expect to happen. The us knew at one point the people
of haiti will not have a choice but to turn against Aristide
with the way misery had fallen on the haitians back
home. They did it.
Le Plus Haut
White Oak, - Monday, March 01, 2004 at 18:39:48 (EST)
Ok....it will be nice to see you. Hope you can make it. if not....I'll understand ;)
smoochees
- Monday, March 01, 2004 at 14:36:39 (EST)
Smoochees, glad everything is ok with you. I don't know if I'll be going ... I am thinking about it.
Yopran'm
- Monday, March 01, 2004 at 14:27:50 (EST)
Yopran'm......je suis la. I didn't go to haiti because of all the chaos and THANK GOD. I have a few friends who are stuck down there now. Mwen te pale yo. I would have been one of them. I'm doing OK....how are you? Eske nap we nan CARIMI a?
PR...wap minnin? Neg ti ko gwo diol la ale (laugh)....LOL
smoochees
- Monday, March 01, 2004 at 13:23:56 (EST)
Mina, Aristid gin fouli tousin louveti, li pap sis. Le baron de Tabarre is history now, so what's next? I guess ceremonie lwa yo pat edel. poor thing!
Loune
- Monday, March 01, 2004 at 12:56:38 (EST)
Lalane,
Did Waters say that Aristide left after they threat him with drug charges? I did not think so.
xxx
- Monday, March 01, 2004 at 12:29:41 (EST)
Too bad, Maxine Waters te ka bay aristide peruque li ya pou protection...
They need to find another blood sucker to promote...Ti diab la ale, li ale net, sak pa kontan anbake...
Moi!
- Monday, March 01, 2004 at 12:21:41 (EST)
I thought these were the words of Toussaint Louverture.
"Je déclare qu'en me renversant, on a abattu le tronc de l'arbre de la Paix, mais il repoussera, car ses racines sont +louverturiennes+"
Mirna
- Monday, March 01, 2004 at 12:17:16 (EST)
EXCLUSIVE BREAKING NEWS:
PRESIDENT ARISTIDE SAYS 'I WAS KIDNAPPED'
'TELL THE WORLD IT IS A COUP'
Multiple sources that just spoke with Haitian President Jean-Bertrand Aristide told Democracy Now! that Aristide says he was "kidnapped" and taken by force to the Central African Republic. Congressmember Maxine Waters said she received a call from Aristide at 9am EST. "He's surrounded by military. It's like he is in jail, he said. He says he was kidnapped," said Waters. She said he had been threatened by what he called US diplomats. According to Waters, the diplomats reportedly told the Haitian president that if he did not leave Haiti, paramilitary leader Guy Philippe would storm the palace and Aristide would be killed. According to Waters, Aristide was told by the US that they were withdrawing Aristide's US security.
TransAfrica founder and close Aristide family friend Randall Robinson also received a call from the Haitian president early this morning and confirmed Waters account. Robinson said that Aristide "emphatically" denied that he had resigned. "He did not resign," he said. "He was abducted by the United States in the commission of a coup." Robinson says he spoke to Aristide on a cell phone that was smuggled to the Haitian president.
Audio and Transcripts will be posted shortly.
Developing...
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- Monday, March 01, 2004 at 11:56:28 (EST)
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Haitian Interest, anytime my friend. You can count your brother PR.
Supermix, what's up buddy?
PR
Columbia, MD - Sunday, February 29, 2004 at 07:27:31 (EST)
To late my frned!
PORT-AU-PRINCE, Haiti - President Jean-Bertrand Aristide left Haiti on Sunday, bowing to pressure from a rebellion at home and governments abroad, his Cabinet minister and close adviser Leslie Voltaire told The Associated Press.
AP Photo
At least three other sources confirmed the information, including diplomats and a security aide.
An Associated Press reporter saw an unmarked white jet take off from Port-au-Prince's airport Sunday morning, and Voltaire said Aristide was on board along with his palace security chief Frantz Gabriel.
Shortly afterward, a convoy of cars pulled up to the tarmac alongside a second jet, but it was not clear who was on the plane.
Voltaire said Aristide, Haiti's first democratically elected president in 200 years of independence, was flying to the Dominican Republic and would seek asylum in Morocco, Taiwan or Panama.
Aristide left as fighters in a popular rebellion that erupted on Feb. 5 came within 25 miles of Port-au-Prince, the capital, and threatened to attack unless he resigned.
France, Haiti's former colonizer, and the United States, which sent 20,000 troops to restore Aristide after a coup in 1994, had suggested he step down for the good of his Caribbean nation of 8 million people.
It was not clear where Aristide's wife, Mildred Trouillot Aristide, was. The couple had sent their two daughters to Trouillot's mother in New York last week.
Canadian military police were at the airport, but they refused to say who was on the planes
Pierre r Torchenot
Columbia , md - Sunday, February 29, 2004 at 07:16:26 (EST)
Thanks for the info Pierre. I will call Mr Cummimgs to thank him for supporting the elected leader of Haiti. I can't understand why anyone would support a bunch of outlaws. This is a new low for Haitians. Let's see how much lower we will go.
Haitian Interest
- Sunday, February 29, 2004 at 05:47:53 (EST)
I guess the country i snot in a crisis and he's secure about the future
Mezanmi
- Friday, February 27, 2004 at 16:19:51 (EST)
Mezanmi,
Yesterday was Mildwett B-day.
aristide
- Friday, February 27, 2004 at 12:54:12 (EST)
I spok eto my boyfriend last night who couldn't get back from Haiti, and he told me that last nite Aristide was having a birthday party for his wife ......... I wonder if he was pulling my leg, can anyone confirmed that. If it's true it would be too funny.
Mezanmi
college park, MD - Friday, February 27, 2004 at 10:57:07 (EST)
Mobutoo,
I see that you really like it. I really believe that we, Haitians, can play a positive role in the future of Haiti. Too much wasted energy on who is right and who is wrong.My resolution for 2004 is to do more than just writing opinions. I will help one student in Haiti to go to school. I will participate in progrms that focus on development and not charity.And, I will do my best to persuade at least 10 other haitians living in the diaspora to do the same.
Each one, Help one!
Ayiti.
Ayiti
- Thursday, February 26, 2004 at 17:16:49 (EST)
As the Haitian Struggle intensifies, so is the lobbyism on behalf of Aristide on Capitol Hill. Congressman Elijah Cummings along with some 17 members of the Black Caucus are out to interfere with the popular movement of the Haitian People in the name of democracy. If you believe that Aristide and his Lavalas regime need to go, please call your congress representative and express your opinions. I called his Mr Cumming office and spoke with an assistant, I asked her to relay this message: " Mr Cummimgs, you do not understand the struggle of the Haitian Folks. If you want to help bring true democracy in Haiti, you ought to stop lobbying on behalf of a who disgrace every principle of democracy. We will not forget how you interfaced in our matter when 'WE' the people need to interface in your matter."
----- In every difficulty lies an opportunity -----
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Pierre R Torchenot
Columbia , MD - Thursday, February 26, 2004 at 11:40:37 (EST)
Smoochees, Are you ok? Did you go to Haiti as planned? Gurl, holla back, is everything tight? We miss you on the board.
Yopran'm
- Thursday, February 26, 2004 at 11:10:14 (EST)
Greetings to each and everyone. Allow me the opportunity to once again express my sentiments of gratitude for your support of echodhaiti.com. I am currently working on a project to be aired tonight (2/26/04)@ 5PM on the current situation in Haiti. I am looking for anyone currently in the Washington DC area who has been directly impacted by the current events. You need to be articulate and willing to go on the air (TV) with your comments. Please contact me directly @ djjnmichel@aol.com. Thank you for your support.
djjnmichel
- Thursday, February 26, 2004 at 10:31:44 (EST)
Ayiti, I like your last. With all due respect I will post it again for people to read.
"It is true that France, U.S.A, Germany , local leaders have contributed to our current status as the most impoverished nation of the Western Hemisphere. However, the responsibility to have a sovereign country, that is respected by all, rests squarely on our shoulders. ON the shoulder of every concerned Haitian.IT is a luxury to live abroad and periodically share opinions about who is right and who is wrong. Iam right, Haiti is still sufering. or, I am wrong, Haiti is still suffering.We all can make a difference if we really care about Haiti.Whether we do our part or not, it is still our responsibility to contribute to a better and sovereign Haiti. Our "degrees and pedigrees" are not the result of our intelligence. We were always smart. It is the culmination of a sea of blood and unfulfilled dreams(our ancestors) which provide for our present well-being. All of us don't have to be involved in politics.In Haiti, there exist organizations(Haitian organizations) that make small loans to peasants or entrepeneurs .These loans help a mother send her children to school. You can contribute to these funds.There are a lot of ways one can help!No one is a savior!it is not anyone's job to save Haiti. But, it is everyone's responsibility to work for the advancement of this rich and poor country. Each one, Help one!
Enough said,
Ayiti.
Ayiti"
Mobutoo
Stafford, VA - Thursday, February 26, 2004 at 08:03:33 (EST)
Webmaster, forgive for posting this lenghty document. I am sure you will agree that this is an important piece. Thank you for your understanding.
The case for the Criminal indictment of Jean Bertrand Aristide
A Call for Help
By
The People of Haiti
To
The International Community
{EDITED BY WEBMASTER}
J B Aristide
Palais National, - Thursday, February 26, 2004 at 07:32:29 (EST)
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This is a special event you cannot afford to miss and there will be lots of surprises.
For info.: 301-648-4800
Upcoming events:
SWEET MICKY - April 24, 2004 also at ZANZIBAR
T-VICE - July 10, 2004 also at ZANZIBAR
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Silver Spring, MD - Thursday, February 26, 2004 at 06:19:13 (EST)
Hello,
I do have a dealer in Columbia, his name is Surpermix. He's got lots of my merchanside if you what I mean. But it's no big deal I got plenty more where that come from.
XXX, Loune,Pitidlakay, all you mofos are wrong.
I gots me a new movie: Sleepless in Tabar.
It about me not getting enough sleep. My thugs are coming after me, mildwett will leave me, I am loosing my power. It's making headlines yall, not even Mel Gibson's Passion of Christ can come slose.
All my propagandists in Washington, Silver Spring, Columbia(Supermix)I am cutting all your checks. Read my LIPS: no more money for you. I need all my funds to to keep Mildwett, isn't she beautiful? I mean her smooth light skin just kills me... mwen remin'l remin'l remin'l map fout kimbe'l kamem.
Msie ou di nou ke kommece drog ce nan mem li ye
J B Aristide <timaurice@palaisnational.com>
Palais National, PAP - Wednesday, February 25, 2004 at 20:41:55 (EST)
Mwen we ke yo arete ou ban moun nan Columbia, Maryland pou Drog, map mande mwen si yo pa pran kek ayisyen tou? Si nou konen, tanpri di nou.
Hello
Hello
- Wednesday, February 25, 2004 at 16:23:46 (EST)
Loune,
This is because they got killed in Part 1.
xxx
- Wednesday, February 25, 2004 at 12:18:08 (EST)
Why you didn't include Aristide and the chimeres ? Are they innocents?
"Return of the Zenglendo Part 2
Currently playing in Haiti
Starring: Guy Phillipe, Louis Jodel, Andre Apaid
Cost of Movie : Lots of Green back
Scprit written: In the Dominican Republic
Producer: Bush Administration
Rated:Bloodshed
Caution: Mothers and Fathersget your tissues; Your daughters will be raped , your sons killed, your properties stolen. "
Loune
- Wednesday, February 25, 2004 at 09:22:19 (EST)
Return of the Zenglendo Part 2
Currently playing in Haiti
Starring: Guy Phillipe, Louis Jodel, Andre Apaid
Cost of Movie : Lots of Green back
Scprit written: In the Dominican Republic
Producer: Bush Administration
Rated:Bloodshed
Caution: Mothers and Fathersget your tissues; Your daughters will be raped , your sons killed, your properties stolen.
PititKay
Laurel, MD - Tuesday, February 24, 2004 at 19:05:15 (EST)
It is true that France, U.S.A, Germany , local leaders have contributed to our current status as the most impoverished nation of the Western Hemisphere. However, the responsibility to have a sovereign country, that is respected by all, rests squarely on our shoulders. ON the shoulder of every concerned Haitian.IT is a luxury to live abroad and periodically share opinions about who is right and who is wrong. Iam right, Haiti is still sufering. or, I am wrong, Haiti is still suffering.We all can make a difference if we really care about Haiti.Whether we do our part or not, it is still our responsibility to contribute to a better and sovereign Haiti. Our "degrees and pedigrees" are not the result of our intelligence. We were always smart. It is the culmination of a sea of blood and unfulfilled dreams(our ancestors) which provide for our present well-being. All of us don't have to be involved in politics.In Haiti, there exist organizations(Haitian organizations) that make small loans to peasants or entrepeneurs .These loans help a mother send her children to school. You can contribute to these funds.There are a lot of ways one can help!No one is a savior!it is not anyone's job to save Haiti. But, it is everyone's responsibility to work for the advancement of this rich and poor country. Each one, Help one!
Enough said,
Ayiti.
Ayiti
- Tuesday, February 24, 2004 at 09:34:53 (EST)
Am a grate fan of wyclef jean,am always inspired be his musics,i should have like to go into music, just because of wyclef but its too late for me now.i will like to know why is the wyclef foundation is only concentrating on US and haiti am not jelous the only thing is their are fans for clef in africa than any part of the world their are somany kids that are inspired by clef because of that they want to go into music.
wour reply will be appreciated.
john charles
john a charles <charles18712002@yahoo.co.uk>
freetown, sierra leone - Tuesday, February 24, 2004 at 07:47:58 (EST)
I must say that I agree that we must look at the bigger picture. Countries like the U.S. have been covertly controlling presidents/dictators from other countries for decades. The way that you behave with them will determine if your country gets placed under an embargo or not. However, I also agree that no one can force you to do what you don't want to do, and most of our haitian leaders have been greedy puppets who didn't really care about their own people. There's more to it than meets the eyes. When the U.S. decided that Saddam's time was up, they got rid of him, when they decided that Charles's (in Africa)time was up, they got rid of him. Yet, they still haven't touched North Korea who already confronted them.
There is a lesson to be learned here. It is true that the bigger powers have more power behind the scene than we give them credit for. However, ultimately, our leaders have to care enough to do what's right.
Joanna <cuanny@hotmail.com>
Detroit, Mi - Monday, February 23, 2004 at 18:56:23 (EST)
There is no question that our independence was not recognized by many countries 200 years ago. However, we need to take responsiblity for our shortcomings. Our presidents were not French, Americans or Germans. They were all Haitians, we are mostly to blame. If Haiti is not where it is supposed to be, we should not blame the U.S. France, etc from something that happened more than a century ago. When I think of our leaders before, and then we have Duvalier, Namphy, Avril, Cedras, Aristide, Preval, Aristide(2), they are all moun lakay. Our leaders past & present had a choice, to be good or to be bad. An overwhelming majority knows our leaders have been bad for Haiti. That is why France, US. etc continue to question, ridicule and downplay Haiti’s sovereignty – even 200 years later. I support our cause of "unity" but not at the expense of others.
Mobutoo
Stafford, VA - Monday, February 23, 2004 at 08:40:17 (EST)
Where there is NO vision, the people will perish.
Love For My People
USA - Sunday, February 22, 2004 at 13:02:19 (EST)
Thanks for your thoughtful and insightful suggestions map swiv, Mobutoo and Prawzon. My only regret is not bringing this matter to the board’s attention earlier this week to solicit feedback on this topic. Even though the issue has been resolved, please feel free to make comments anyway.
Nevertheless, I want to share our final decision with the board. As it now stands, the name of the march will NOT change. We have decided to move forward with A CALL TO ACTION IN SUPPORT OF UNITY AND A COLLECTIVE VISION FOR OUR COUNTRY, PEOPLE AND NATIONAL IDENTITY. We believe the significance of a National March for Haitian Empowerment has taken on a timely and meaningful scope. In other words, “Were there is NO vision, the people will perish.”
I know there are some on this board who don’t agree with this position and that is okay. I am of the mindset that no matter how hard it seems – we really can agree to disagree. Therefore, forgive me if I sound too naive or idealistic by saying I think there is a bigger picture contributing to the current problems going on in Haiti. Systemic problems that have existed since our ancestors and forefathers declared independence 200 years ago. Frankly, I believe Haiti is being punished and is paying the price her freedom.
Think about it guys. Forget about the Aristide factor for a minute (I know it’s hard but you can do it).
We can not forget that countries such as France, Germany, England, and the United States failed to recognize Haiti’s independence for a reason. Why? Because Haiti was founded by a bunch of black, rebellious, arrogant Negroes who thought they were too good to be colonized, oppressed and enslaved by white, wealthy colonizers. (Thank you Papa Dessalines). That is why they continue to question, ridicule and downplay Haiti’s sovereignty – even 200 years later.
And that is why the Haitian diaspora can not afford to remain passive, silent and divided. The time has come for us to stand united and send a message of hope and empowerment to our brothers and sisters in Haiti that no matter what. We’ve got their backs.
That is why we can not continue to let the “POLITICS OF DIVISION” in Haiti (hate-i) define who we are as a people. We must try at the very least to put our differences aside and stand united – the same way our forefathers stood united despite their differences.
This was supposed to be our year - the year of Haitian pride and patriotism. And now the possibility that peace keeping troops from France and/or the United States is a serious cause for concern.
As members of the Haitian Diaspora and Citizens of the 10th Department, we must rise to the level of this occasion and support the need for Haitian empowerment at home and abroad. We must demonstrate once again that we can live under the motto of our creed in order to build on the patriotic vision of unity in strength.
Like it or not. Our rendezvous with destiny has arrived. Let us embrace and define this moment together – in honor of all those who died for us to be free.
So what do you think guys and gals? Based on the current situation in Haiti, do you agree or disagree with the idea of a movement that supports haitian empowerment? Please share your views.
Love For My People
- Saturday, February 21, 2004 at 22:40:58 (EST)
Madigras nan la ri 5 jou gra. Jodi ya, sé dj yo avek reine yo kap soti.Gro ban'n yo ap soti dimanch lindi madi.
Guin you ban'n nan nou yok ki rélé rasin okan ki fè you mizik ki di mwen pap batt kok anko,mal batt kok mwen nan gagè mwen pèdi.
Pou march la mwen renmen fraz ki di unité ya,men fok 10D fè anpil atensyoin ak vacabon ki pral pwofité pou viré mach la pou sal pa tap yé
Pou bal yo mwen twouvé pwomotè yo frèt vré, pwomotè yo guen lè yo razè vré wi. Jeanzephi ak Harol ap fè le rare,Lacay sé ti pwogram vendredi li li connen,Agimal men'm li pa sou voyé chaché jazz sé afè jazz pa li lap réglé avek afè cinéma. Map tan jazz local la ki pral soti ya.By the way,Agimal mwen wè foto Trankill yo nan boby express la, monchè bèl bagay,médame yo pral renmen ti mésié sa yo.
Pou politik la men'n sé mhou,no diol to talk
Pwazon
Silver Spring, MD - Friday, February 20, 2004 at 17:50:06 (EST)
LFMP, I personally like "National March for Democracy and Unity in Haiti" I had a little problem understanding the March for Empowerment. Hopefully we can show a different side of what is being portrayed on TV everyday. A peaceful March of many concerned Haitians will do. Unfortunately, I just learned that I will be out of the country that week.
Mobutoo
Stafford, VA - Friday, February 20, 2004 at 16:03:41 (EST)
LFMP,
Sista, you are between a rock and a hard place. I feel bad for you, but as was proven on this board most of these people will not let you NOT take sides, especially for a national march in Washington, DC.
My suggestion, would be to leave it as is and do the best you can to word your speeches carefully.
peace
map swiv
- Friday, February 20, 2004 at 14:45:35 (EST)
Hi Echodhaiti.com,
I hope everyone is doing well and remembering not to le t fear get in the way of their dreams. Although I have not been able to participate in this forum lately, I am reaching out to you for your feedback.
As you all are aware, we are organizing a National March for Haitian Empowerment which is scheduled to take place next month (3/20). Up until two weeks ago, several grassroots organizations in New York, Miami, and Boston committed to about 15-20 buses of participants. Since then, we have been receiving calls from activists, leaders and organizers asking us to take a position about the current crisis in Haiti. We do not want to take sides because both sides should be held accountable for their actions.
The situation is that 10th DOHE is not a politically based organization, nor does it want to be tagged as one. Our main objective is to spread the message of Haitian empowerment because ultimately, this is what we need. Our goal is to start a movement that will lead to positive social change for our people at home and abroad. We believe that the Haitian diaspora has a role to play by helping to create a collective vision for our people, country and national identity.
When it is all said and done, the eyes of the world are upon us once again. And once again, the story of a divided people is being told 200 years after the birth of our nation. Maybe that is why Cuba, Jamaica, Dominican Republic and the United States have already said “NO TO HAITIAN REFUGEES” if a mass exodus takes place.
How sad and unfortunate this is.
That being said, suggestions have been made to change or modify the name of the march. Personally speaking, I don’t think this is a good move. But I am only one person with one voice. I am going on a conference call this afternoon to discuss this matter in more detail.
So I would like to know if anyone would be willing to make any recommendations so that any potential changes will be reflected on the website this Monday COB. The suggestions are as follows:
1) National March for Democracy and Haitian Empowerment
2) National March for Democracy and Unity in Haiti
3) Leave it as is
4) Other – please recommend
Your suggestions will not only be taken into consideration but also be greatly appreciated.
Love For My People
- Friday, February 20, 2004 at 14:37:29 (EST)
Mobutoo thank you for saying something. I was starting to think that I forgot to use my deodorant.
I think, like Smoochees have stated, NOTHING messes with Kanaval, but I don't know what's going to happen this year. If International troops "invade" Haiti, it will be strange to have people at Kanaval while these foreign troops stare in amazement.
map swiv
- Friday, February 20, 2004 at 13:06:15 (EST)
Silence is good but I need to break it for a minute to know something. I was just reading some news on Haiti (Yahoo), it says "the rebel leader will attack Cap Haitien during the Carnaval". Does that mean tap gin kanaval malgré tout bagay map tandé yo?
Mobutoo
Stafford, VA - Friday, February 20, 2004 at 12:26:44 (EST)
La Folie décida d'inviter ses amis pour prendre un café chez elle.
>Tous les invités y allèrent. Après le café la Folie proposa:
>On joue à cache-cache ?
>cache-cache ? C'est quoi, ça ?, demanda la Curiosité.
>Cache-cache est un jeu. Je compte jusqu'à cent et vous vous cachez.
>Quand j'ai fini de compter je cherche, et le premier que je trouve sera le prochain à compter.
>Tous acceptèrent, sauf la Peur et la paresse.
>1, 2, 3,..., la Folie commença à compter.
>L'Empressement se cacha le premier, n'importe où.
>La Timidité, timide comme toujours, se cacha dans une touffe d'arbre.
>La Joie courrut au milieu du jardin.
>La Tristesse commença à pleurer, car elle ne trouvait pas d'endroit approprié pour se cacher.
>L'Envie accompagna le Triomphe et se cacha près de lui derrière un rocher.
>La Folie continuait de compter tandis que ses amis se cachaient.
>Le Désespoir étaient désespéré en voyant que la Folie était déjà à quatre vingt dix-neuf. CENT ! cria la Folie. Je vais commencer à chercher...
>La première à être trouvée fut la Curiosité, car elle n'avait pu s'empêcher de sortir de sa cachette pour voir qui serait le premier découvert.
>En regardant sur le côté, la Folie vit le Doute au-dessus d'une
>clôture ne sachant pas de quel côté il serait mieux caché.
>Et ainsi de suite, elle découvrit la Joie, la Tristesse, la Timidité...
>Quand ils furent tous réunis, la Curiosité demanda :
>Où est l'Amour ?
>Personne ne l'avait vu. La Folie commença à le chercher.
>Elle chercha au-dessus d'une montagne, dans les rivières au pied des rochers.
>Mais elle ne trouvait pas l'Amour.
>Cherchant de tous côtés, la Folie vit un rosier, pris un bout de
>bois et commença à chercher parmi les branches,lorsque soudain elle entendit un cri.
>C'était l'Amour, qui criait parce qu'une épine lui avait crevé un oeil.
>La Folie ne savait pas quoi faire. Elle s'excusa, implora l'Amour pour avoir son pardon et alla jusqu'a lui promettre de le suivre pour toujours. L'Amour accepta les excuses. Aujourd'hui, l'Amour est aveugle et la Folie l'accompagne toujours.
>S'il te plait envoie ça à tout ton carnet d'adresse (et tu verras
>cequ'il t'arrivera dans les sept prochains jours)
Alexanon
silver spring, MD - Wednesday, February 18, 2004 at 23:56:24 (EST)
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NAPOLI is a beautiful Italian Restaurant,you'll love it
Jazz la renmen'n anpil
Jean Claude Vivens <jcvivens@mris.com>
Wheaton, MD - Wednesday, February 18, 2004 at 16:39:17 (EST)
Map Swiv, I thought CARIMI was supposed to be in the area in March, Mwen rentre , I don't party anymore.
Yopran'm
- Wednesday, February 18, 2004 at 15:00:05 (EST)
Map swiv.....I have a feeling that pwomote yo dekouraje. Things are really tight right now. Finding a decent spot to have an event is becoming more and more an issue in our community. I know we do have some upcoming events. I believe carimi will be here the end of march and we have more coming...
smoochees
- Wednesday, February 18, 2004 at 14:47:00 (EST)
Folks, it's going from bad to worse. But any way, one question for smoochees, yo pran'm, mobutou, and anyone else.
How come there's nothing going on in the dC area in this community? The calendar page has been pretty empty for the most part. Is ECho? or there's nothing going on?
Are people not in a partying mood right now??
map swiv
- Wednesday, February 18, 2004 at 11:47:16 (EST)
It was indeed a great night,moune yo vrèman renmen film nan.
I LOVE YOU ANNE ap répassé 14 Mars toujou nan Los Arrieros 7926 Georgia Ave Silver Spring Md à 6 pm.
Le 28 Mars ce sera la grande première du film LE VENT DU DESIR,le 18 Avril (Easter Sunday)la projection du film PROTEGE MOI.
Surveiller les annonces car il y aura d'autres présentations,peut être un film chaque Dimanche à Los Arrieros pou nou pa rété raz.Men sé nou ki pou sipoté pwogram nan.
TRANKILL sé sa nèt.The pictures of the band are out, you can see a couple of them at Boby Express or at Esther Express.I hope we can put one on Echo to introduce the band to our friends on the site.In march the new "BAD BOY" in town guitarist Carlito Perez will be introduce to the viewers of Haiti A Suivre.Enfin nap travail dur très dur pou nou wè si nou ta soti LIVE le 10 Avril prochain,et soti you CD pou été 2004 la.
Jazz la renmen ou
Jazz la renmen ou anpil
Jean Claude Vivens <jcvivens@mris.com>
Wheaton, MD - Tuesday, February 17, 2004 at 18:39:41 (EST)
What's going girlie? Are you alright? depi mwen pa we'w lan mwen suspek ke se jwen ou jwen.
Yopran'm
- Tuesday, February 17, 2004 at 12:18:50 (EST)
Yopranm.....mwen we'w pa mande pou mwen enko (smile). It's all good. Still the same love. How are you? Hope all is well. Take care girl!!!
smoochees
- Tuesday, February 17, 2004 at 09:27:49 (EST)
Pwazon......LOL.....much LOVE to you too. Mwen we'w chaje ak lanmou nan ke'w. That's good. Keep spreading it. Min le ou pa we'm sou board la mwen la undercover. Map swiv bagay yo with very close eyes....lol. I heard Ska Shah was of the hook. Yo di'm li te chaje ak gran moun tou.
Kite'm kontinye swiv bagay yo.....(en silence)
smoochees
- Tuesday, February 17, 2004 at 09:26:45 (EST)
We must understand that the problem in Gonaives is an "inter lavalasse" problem to quote Serge Gilles.
Natacha I really enjoy reading your point,I think you are one smart sister.
Le plus haut, P.R, Agimal big up to you all ,nou se moune mwen. Et men koté'w Smooches,wal baye goal,ou sé moune mwen tou oui sister.
YO Agimal I heard that the movie I LOVE YOU ANNE was very good last night.When will they show it again,I miss it,I went to N.Y,and let me tell you guys Skah Shah is #1 all over again.
Trankill mété'w en forme pou fèm dansé paské mwen guen you ménaj tou nèf ki renmen compas
Pwazon
Silver Spring, MD - Monday, February 16, 2004 at 17:29:09 (EST)
We must understand that the problem in Gonaives is an "inter lavalasse" problem to quote Serge Gilles.
Natacha I really enjoy reading your point,I think you are one smart sister.
Le plus haut, P.R, Agimal big up to you all ,nou se moune mwen. Et men koté'w Smooches,wal baye goal,ou sé moune mwen tou oui sister.
YO Agimal I heard that the movie I LOVE YOU ANNE was very good last night.When will they show it again,I miss it,I went to N.Y,and let me tell you guys Skah Shah is #1 all over again.
Trankill mété'w en forme pou fèm dansé paské mwen guen you ménaj tou nèf ki renmen compas
Pwazon
Silver Spring, MD - Monday, February 16, 2004 at 17:29:09 (EST)
To the whole echodhaiti.com family: "HAPPY BELATED VALENTINE'S DAY". Pierre Richard and Agimal please give me a call. I was away from the board for a little while.
Le Plus Haut
White Oak, Md - Monday, February 16, 2004 at 15:55:54 (EST)
For the first time in new jersey in 2004! Carimi(nasty biznis) -vs- Konpa kreyol(lipa vini) The hottest teenages guys of the music industry.
@ Brokers the hottest club in new jersey
88 evergreen place. East orange nj
For tickets info:(973)418-4487 or (973)678-8800
$25 in adv. more @ the door
Belvedere ent. & Patrick Prod. Brings you <Belvedere4ever@HOTMAIL.COM>
Irvington, nj - Sunday, February 15, 2004 at 12:27:16 (EST)
For the first time in new jersey in 2004! Carimi(nasty biznis) -vs- Konpa kreyol(lipa vini) The hottest teenages guys of the music industry
For tickets info:(973)418-4487 or (973)678-8800
$25 in adv. more @ the door
Belvedere ent. & Patrick Prod. Brings you <Belvedere4ever@HOTMAIL.COM>
Irvington, nj - Sunday, February 15, 2004 at 12:24:36 (EST)
Can we just take a break on this sunny and beautiful valentine weekend to send love and much love to our fellow Haitians,our country,our community.
Too much hatred going on here in this black history, canaval, and valentine month.
love love love to Titid,Opposition,Bush Saddam,Ben Laden,P.R, Map Suiv, LFMP,Mobuto,Zephyr,Vivens,Smooches,Echodhaiti,Wacahapa,Yonyon,Haiti a Suivre,Combite Lacay,Expoze Magazine,the new band Trankill, all our DJS,Lacay Production,"Anonymes from 0 to 1.000.000",
LOTS OF LOVE TO YOU ALL AND TO THE REST OF THE WORLD.
Pwazon
Silver Spring, MD - Friday, February 13, 2004 at 18:15:17 (EST)
LOL, this is too easy. You have a dirty mind,woman. I am a gentleman and such vulgar thoughts never ever crossed my mind(fingers crossed).
Physiology 101: the working mechanism of the human body or any organism for that matter. To get a rise of out of me is a natural phenomena, my need for viagra is still some thirty odd years away, may be.
Haitian Soul, you may have to watch your back more than I have to watch mine.
On a serious note, today is friday the 13th. Be careful!
I am taking a vacation from Echodhaiti.com.
Absence diminishes minor passions and inflames great ones,
as the wind douses a candle and fans a fire. (Francois De La Rochefoucault)
PR
Columbia, - Friday, February 13, 2004 at 17:32:18 (EST)
I couldn't resist, and I'm glad I didn't. Wow, you two (PR & new kid on the block) keep prooving my points. You take a bit of fact, blow it out of prortion, add a bit of ignorance and call it present it as new fact.
American culture 101: to get a rise out of someone means to get them excited or get a reaction out them. Although I'm glad the Viagra is working for you two, but please take the "peter" in hand and release the tension.
Follow Kent Tel's lead and have a good Valentine's weekend.
map swiv
- Friday, February 13, 2004 at 16:02:06 (EST)
anonym105,
Do we have laws in haiti? Where were they when Claudy Gassant wanted to preside over Dominique's case. Where were they when Aristide called anyone he wanted and fabricated schemes to steal the people's money. It looks to me that there are laws whenever, the powerful needs them. Do you call this law?
Anonym
- Friday, February 13, 2004 at 15:46:08 (EST)
Thanks Mobutoo. I was not talking about you. Your stance is clear.Mapswiv, you had me fooled girl.But you guys change the subject quicker than George Bush tells a lie, But I ain't mad at you. PR, I don't mind getting seconds, holla at you boy.
Haitian Soul
crownsville, MD - Friday, February 13, 2004 at 15:43:58 (EST)
They come in a variety of colors and shapes
I prefer the darker hue,
for it said, "the darker the berry, the sweeter the juice"
they are soft, like balloons filled with the blessed water of Sodo
cool like rose petals drenched in the morning dew
sweet like Haitian chocolat on a Sunday morning
if you manage to sqeeze them right, their juices will flow like the river of the Nile
Kent Tèl
- Friday, February 13, 2004 at 14:29:52 (EST)
Map Swiv, I am doing exactly that map swiv, a friend of mine once told me : "lorsqu'on a rien a dire, on se tait". I am on the board everyday watching the debate, I must say though, it's been quite interesting here.
Happy Valentine's Day to all!
Yopran'm
- Friday, February 13, 2004 at 14:16:23 (EST)
En novembre dernier, j'ai fait une intervention sur ce forum en déclarant qu'endépit de la nature crapuleuse et mégalomane du régime LAVALAS, l'on se doit de reconnaître sa légitimité constitutionnelle. L'opposition ou la société civile, qu'elle soit convergente ou divergente, qu'elle regroupe en son sein plus de 184 partis ou tendances politiques, qu'elle reçoive son budget d'opération de l'UE ou de la USAID et d'autres, a la liberté citoyenne et civique de manifester et d'exprimer son désaccord politique avec le régime LAVALAS. Mais ce qu'elle n'a pas le droit de faire, c'est de mener des activités subversives qui n'ont qu'un objectif: paralyser le pays à son profit.
L'opposition doit s'amener à comprendre, qu'au seuil de ce troisième millénaire, il est plus opportun de renverser un régime impopulaire comme celui d'Aristide, non pas par des manifestations et des actes de brigandage, mais par une mobilisation générale des urnes (polls).
N'est-il pas un fait indéniable qu'il est parvenu au pouvoir par des élections --que beaucoup pourraient qualifier de truquer ou commanditer? Il est aussi vrai que la communauté internationale a reconnu et reconnait encore aujourd'hui la légitimité de sa présidence. Donc, toute insatisfaction et déception de ses performances comme chef d'état, doit être évaluée et décidée au cours des prochaines élections. C'est ainsi qu'agit une opposition crédible, respectable et responsable.
L'opposition doit emprunter le chemin démocratique des urnes -- qui est les élections -- pour le chasser du pouvoir. Voulant à tout pris le faire par des sabotages, des tueries, des brutales manifestations de rue ne rimerait à rien. Il faut que l'on cesse de résoudre les problèmes politiques par la violence; il faut en finir avec des coups d'état. Si l'opposition veut le pouvoir, il doit l'avoir en présentant au pays un projet de société viable différent de celui d'Aristide. Et pour ce faire, LAVALS doit assumer ses responsabilités comme gouvernement en respectant les droits humains, la liberté de la presse, l'autonomie de l'université...
Je dois souligner que le principe de la légalité constitutionnelle qui prône le maintien d'Aristide au pouvoir jusqu'à la date du 7 février 2006 n'est pas irrévocable. Il peut être mis au rencart, si son gouvernement n'arrête pas ses promenades nocturnes avec les CHIMERES.
NATACHA
02-13-2004
NATACHA
POTOMAC, MD - Friday, February 13, 2004 at 14:02:58 (EST)
"LOL
don't be so serious baby, you are much too beautiful. That "50" was meant to get a rise out of PR,but I'm glad to see you are as sensitive as he is.
Someone pointed you out in one of Echodhaiti's pictures..."
I could be wrong, but it seems odd that a dude would invest time inquiring about a another dude. So I will give you the benefit of the doubt that you are a woman.
As such, if you looking to get a "rise" out of me as you put it, please don't mention Aristide. This dude will send everything down south,lol. Let me assure you that it will not be difficult to get me up, thus far I have risen and answered every call. You are right. I am a sensitive man. Please don't around the bush, we are all grown folks here.
Lastly, di mwen ki langue ou pale le wap fe lammou?
No more politics!!!!!! Lol
Happy Valentine's day to all.
PR
Columbia, MD - Friday, February 13, 2004 at 13:14:20 (EST)
Damn anonym, I think you missed his/her point totally.
Lighten up. Do we have to choose sides? That's the point.
I usually just read, but sometimes one can't keep quiet.
WHY DO YOU HAVE TO BE ON ONE SIDE OR OTHER!!!!!!!! PRESENT THE FACTS, AND I MEAN FACTS, AND USE THE LAW OF THE LAND TO CORRECT OR PUNISH THE GUILTY.
PEACE
anonym105
Wheaton, MD - Friday, February 13, 2004 at 13:05:42 (EST)
map swiv,
No, you were not playing. Your intention was to suggest that the march failed. We are on the board here discussing Haiti's serious problems. This is why no one wants to take us seriously when we ask for something. What is going on in Haiti now is nothing we can joke about no matter what side we are on.
Anonym
- Friday, February 13, 2004 at 12:57:38 (EST)
PR, we've never meant, but b/c you've got the stones to put your name on your post, I know who you are. Someone pointed you out in one of Echodhaiti's pictures...
I got a meeting, so you all have a wonderful Valentine's day weekend - hope it's fill with love and love making.
"mwen gen ou ti mennaj (anonym)
lè map karese'l
mwen gen ou jan mwen manyenn
li di mwen cheri wan pechem pale..."
map swiv
- Friday, February 13, 2004 at 12:37:20 (EST)
LOL@mapswiv...
Are you a woman? damn, we should making love than.
PR
Columbia, MD - Friday, February 13, 2004 at 12:33:03 (EST)
Mapswiv, "50 people" is a serious distortion of the truth. In all events, I took my hat off to all the people who showed up despite the freezing and icy conditions to express their view, they showed commitment and conviction.
Anonym, your last entry is the thesis of my argument: Aristide does not respect his contract. And that is an understatement!
I am not promoting the Opposition directly.
Map swiv, have we ever exchange words(friendly or otherwise) in person?
PR
Columbia, - Friday, February 13, 2004 at 12:30:08 (EST)
"Amonym"
LOL
don't be so serious baby, you are much too beautiful. That "50" was meant to get a rise out of PR, but I'm glad to see you are as sensitive as he is. Please find a name that may go with your personality, we are all anonym, but you have: mobutoo, yo pranm, smoochees (where are you by the way), ayiti, map swiv, ncog (where R U 2?), etc..
it's more fun that way.
map swiv
- Friday, February 13, 2004 at 12:29:42 (EST)
map swiv,
Tell your friend to learn how to count.
Moboutu,
You are right. Aristide has a contract. However, he also has to live to the letter of that contract, which what i blame him for.
Amonym
MD - Friday, February 13, 2004 at 12:13:12 (EST)
PR, you are so ready to respond that you keep missing the point. I'm trying to "recruit" him, the point is that we may not agree on all the points but I am not labelling him with one side or another.
I would be glad to sit with him or you have a dialogue and be willing to compromise, and shake hands at the end. THAT is what Haitian politics should be about.
I do believe you about Apaid, and that's my other point in the past few weeks you've started talking more rhetoric than fact or opinion. You were never "pro" gov't but lately I FEEL that's it's more opposition rhetoric rather than your opinion. I could be wrong (something else that needs to come into Haitian politics, admitting that you COULD be wrong.)
Yeah, a friend of mine told me you were among the "50" people at the Haitian Embassy protest.
map swiv
- Friday, February 13, 2004 at 12:00:33 (EST)
Lol@my good friend Mapswiv. Mapswiv, it has been only 1 month since I first herad the name Apaid, and only 2 days ago I searched Yahoo to see what this guy look like. I hope you believe me.
"By the way, PR, you didn't need to "join" the Haiti Democracy Project."
Are you referring to the protest held a few weeks ago?
And why are trying you recruit Mobutoo into you camp? Mobutoo made it clear that he too is disatisfy with the current government. It just a matter of principle for him. Stand on you own two feet.
PR
columbia, MD - Friday, February 13, 2004 at 11:23:13 (EST)
Moboutu we have nothing to apologize for. The point has been made here at least a million times: It is NOT just "pro-Aristide" or "pro-convergence". I will make a bet that NONE of us have an official card that says "Lavalas party member" or "Group 184 party member." We'll find more Democrats and Republican cards. Because you believe that Aristide's gov't is corrupted, doesn't mean you must "join" the opposition, which is what happened to my friend PR.
By the way, PR, you didn't need to "join" the Haiti Democracy Project.
map swiv
- Friday, February 13, 2004 at 10:43:48 (EST)
Welcome to the Board Haitian Soul. Thanks for your opinion but you misunderstood two major things. First, just because one argue that Aristide finish his term does not in anyway characterize him/her as Pro-Aristide. Second, the argument may be weak in your eyes but in principle, he was elected until 2006. The election to me is a signed contract, if you want to null and void it, the legal way is to go to court/ballot. My argument is not a pro-Aristide, although there is nothing wrong if it was, rather it is one of principle. If we made a wrong decision we should wait for the next opportunity to correct it and learn from it.
Mobutoo
Stafford, VA - Friday, February 13, 2004 at 08:24:42 (EST)
Yes, you can personnally attack a public figure.It is rather you, Pierre, who does not understand anything.You have the luxury of living here under the pretext that things are bad in Haiti. Go run for public office. Let's see what you can do. and, good luck to you!
Ayiti
- Friday, February 13, 2004 at 00:04:24 (EST)
Haitian Soul, I don't think this whole exchange was about friendship or scoring cool points, at least not on my part. In all fairness, Mapswiv is a very bright individual, I don't think he would let susceptibility get in the way of our common grounds.
PR
Columbia, MD - Thursday, February 12, 2004 at 20:55:32 (EST)
I am an Haitian-American with great interest in this political turmoil, but I have very little knowledge about the political scene in Haiti.I have been following this political debate since the begining. Let me say that it has been both fun and informative. PR, I must hand it to you man. Impartially, if this was a court room where these two sides presented their stories, I would hand it to Pierre Richard Torchnot and his team. The Pro-Aristide did not have much of an argument besides that he should finish his term. The informations with sources were presented in an eloquent manner by PR. You are a passionate brother. The only thing is, you made more foes than friends. Echodhaiti should encourage more political debates,and perhaps next time I will throw my 2cents. By the way, when is the next party yall? I am out.
Haitian Soul
Crownsville, MD - Thursday, February 12, 2004 at 17:21:34 (EST)
Love for My People,
After reading all this political Gobbledygook, I am quite numb to the whole movement. I can’t say that I will partake in the MARCH, because no one is making sense here. Where are you?? Bring some insight to this mess. I'm outta here it’s getting pretty bloody, and I can’t have anyone’s blood on my hands.
LFMP, do you still have love for us?? Where are you?!!!
Cynical Haitian
Anywhere, NY - Thursday, February 12, 2004 at 11:23:23 (EST)
" Arab racist-caste {EDITED BY WEBMASTER} suicidal neighbors! "
Just wondering
- Thursday, February 12, 2004 at 09:06:37 (EST)
Lol, dude, you don't even understand what you are writing. Aristide is a "PUBLIC FIGURE", how do you get me attacking him "personally". It's like I am throwing water on a duck hoping it will get wet. Good luck to you.
PR
- Thursday, February 12, 2004 at 07:58:04 (EST)
Pierre,
You are also driven by fanaticism,. Moreover, you are driven by arrogance.
You chose to personnally attack Aristide . You chose to state so many false statements about him, while you ignore the illegal and criminal act of a greedy opposition which cares more about power than the future of Haiti.
Aristide will not resign. He has said it. And, He should not resign. He should finish his term. He is not and should not be intimadated by a bunch of thugs or a minority.
NO, there is no proof that the majority of Haitians want him to resign. He continues to have more supporters than anyone else in Haiti.
You also have no proof that the chimeres were Aristide supporters. It could be that those chimeres are Andre Apaid's. Remember, they used to be soldiers which the elite paid to kill Aristide. They overthrew him through a coup d'etat. Some of those Chimeres are guarding the houses of the elite. But, of course, you will not mention that .
ARistide will not resign!Elections should be the means by which we elect our leaders. NO excuses!
Ayiti
- Thursday, February 12, 2004 at 00:24:58 (EST)
Enough of the politics! On a positive note, I think that haitians are some of the most culturally gifted people on the face of the planet. I read a few of Edwidge Danticat's books. I also recently read a newly released book called "facing Our Skeletons" by a published haitian author named Carmel S. Victor. The book is a romance novel. I think she did an excellent job with it. I hear that so far the book is doing very well. Check it out at the author's website at www.carmelsvictor.com
Hooray to Haitian imagination!!
Vanessa Tresvant <darn2cool@yahoo.com>
Chicago, IL - Wednesday, February 11, 2004 at 22:04:17 (EST)
LAST NIGHT ON HAITI A SUIVRE I SAW A PEICE OF THE MOVIE I LOVE YOU ANNE,IT WAS SO FUNNY.MY SISTER AND I CAN'T WAIT FOR SUNDAY.
MICHOU
HYATTSVILLE, MD - Wednesday, February 11, 2004 at 19:39:13 (EST)
Bon Mezanmi tròp politik, ki diaz kap vini nan DC ane sa-a, sa pi interesem wi
Mwen menm menm
- Wednesday, February 11, 2004 at 19:15:19 (EST)
Oui echodhaiti sé foute vré,moin comme bourik moin bouké avec ban'n repoter /rapotè sa yo kap écri ban'n atic bien long sa yo .
Si you moune guen foli jounalis sé pou yo al travay pou washington post .Toutan sé ralé atic nan intènet pou ecri nan echo.
Di moune ki koté yo ka li atic la ,si you moune ka entré sou echodhaiti.com sè ki li guen intenèt min'm jan avè'w.
ENGLISH
I think that the webmaster got a point ,some of us here are playing reporters,to me they are nothing but (rapotè) which is different than a reporter.if someone wants to be a reporter they should consider working for the post or some other news agency.
It doesn't make any sense to pull an article from the internet and write it all over in this guestbook while you know that if someone is on line with echo they can also check out the site where you get the news.
just put the site and a quick synapsis of the article, those of us who are interested will check it out.
é pi that's it.
Bourik la bouké
Germantown, MD - Wednesday, February 11, 2004 at 18:17:11 (EST)
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We ask in certain cases to please post the url address (http://...) of the article that you may want to post. We appreciate the forum and your visit to EchodHaiti.com
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- Wednesday, February 11, 2004 at 13:45:07 (EST)
Horloge du Mensonge:
Un homme décède et va au paradis. Il arrive dans le
bureau de St- Pierre, et remarque que les murs sont
ornés d'une multitude d'horloges, intrigué il lui
demande " dites-moi, à quoi servent ces horloges
accrochées contre vos murs ? " , et le saint homme de
lui répondre : " ce sont les horloges du mensonge,
lorsqu'une personne dit un mensonge, son horloge
personnelle avance d'une heure.
Voici par exemple celle de mère Teresa, elle est
bloquée sur midi, donc elle n'a jamais dit de
mensonge.
Voici celle de Martin Luther King, elle marque deux
heures, donc il a prononcé deux mensonges dans sa vie.
L'homme observe les différentes horloges et
demande: " je ne vois pas celle du président Aristide.
St-Pierre " : Elle se trouve dans le bureau de Jésus,
il l'utilise comme ventilateur ! !
Semwen
Glendale, MD - Wednesday, February 11, 2004 at 13:24:19 (EST)
Was Ordered to Kill Andy Apaid
Originally: DECLARATION DU POLICIER JULES BELIMAIRE, A3
Jules Belimaire, Haitian policeman, 2004-01-08
Haiti Democracy Project web page item #1339 (http://www.haitipolicy.org)
DECLARATION DU POLICIER JULES BELIMAIRE, A3
On le nomme Jules BELIMAIRE, policier A3, issu de la première promotion formée à l'Académie de Police Nationale d'Haïti, immatriculé au No. 95-01-04-00-228 et affecté à la Direction Départementale de l'Ouest (DDO) à titre de responsable adjoint du Groupe d'Intervention Départementale de l'Ouest (GIDO).
Je suis l'un des douze policiers de GIDO impliqués dans l'affaire des enfants du Président Jean Bertrand ARISTIDE, du 12 août 2003, une affaire montée de toute pièce par Jean Claude JEAN BAPTISTE dont l'objectif principal était de renvoyer le Commissaire Divisionnaire Hermione LEONARD de la DDO et tous ceux soupçonnés d'en être proches, comme l'avait déjà annoncé Johnny OCCILIUS, l'ancien cadre de la Mairie de Cité Soleil, peu avant son départ pour l'exil, en août 2003. Depuis cette affaire, à cause des menaces que je reçois, je me suis mis à couvert. Parmi ces policiers, je suis le plus ciblé pour avoir reçu des ordres manifestement illégaux que j'ai refusé d'exécuter.
Citons entre autres:
Le 12 juillet 2003, à Cité soleil, cinq des policiers qui assuraient la sécurité des activités du Groupe des 184 dont moi, avons par la suite été contactés par un responsable de la police et certains membres du Gouvernement. Ces derniers nous ont invités à participer au Mardis de la Presse du 15 Juillet 2003, aux fins de déclarer que le Groupe des 184 avait tiré sur la population à Cité soleil, ce que nous avons catégoriquement refusé pour avoir vu de nos propres yeux qu'il n'y avait ni mort d'homme ni blessés au sein de la population de Cité Soleil, ce jour-là et que les véritables victimes sont les membres du Groupe des 184, qui ont essuyé des jets de pierre, des tessons de bouteilles et des tirs d'armes à feu etc.
Le 22 juillet 2003, trois jours avant la présentation au Parquet du Coordonnateur du Groupe des 184, André APAID, Jr., Jean Claude JEAN-BAPTISTE m'a contacté par le biais de Jean Musset ELVARISTE, un policier de la quatorzième promotion affecté à la DDO. Elvariste m'approcha pour me dire qu'un chef désirait s'entretenir avec moi sur son portable. Après maintes hésitations, je me suis décidé à répondre.
Mon interlocuteur s'est identifié comme étant Jean-Claude JEAN-BAPTISTE.
Il dit avoir appris que je suis responsable adjoint de GIDO et m'a proposé une rencontre au Commissariat de Delmas 33, le même jour, dans l'après-midi, à quatre heures trente (4:30). Deux policiers de la quatorzième promotion Lucien CEANT, Jean Musset ELVARISTE et moi, Jules BELIMAIRE avons laissé la DDO à destination de Delmas 33 à bord d'un véhicule de police. Lorsque nous fûmes arrivés, Jean-Claude JEAN-BAPTISTE était déjà sur les lieux de la rencontre. Il nous a invités à monter au bureau du Commissaire Emmanuel MOMPREMIER qui s'est déplacé à notre arrivée. Après s'être salués, Jean-Claude JEAN-BAPTISTE m'a posé des questions relatives à mon grade et à ma promotion mettant l'emphase sur mon intérêt à devenir inspecteur. Il m'a, par la suite, confié une mission qui consistait à préparer un plan d'assassinat contre le Coordonnateur du Groupe des 184, considéré comme une menace pour le gouvernement haïtien, lequel plan devait être effectif le 25 juillet 2003, au moment où celui-ci s'apprêterait à se rendre au Parquet de Port-au-Prince. Pour accomplir cette mission, deux autres personnes m'accompagneraient: Jean Musset ELVARISTE et un autre individu de la base Cameroun de Delmas 24 dont j'ignore le nom. Jean-Claude JEAN-BAPTISTE de poursuivre, qu'au cas où le coup ne passait pas, il y aurait quatre (4) enfants des rues, qui devraient se poster dans les parages du parquet, dont le signe apparent serait un bonnet de la couleur du bicolore. Ils avaient pour mission de faire semblant d'essuyer la voiture de André APAID, Jr. et de lui tirer dessus.
DEROULEMENT DE LA MISSION
Le 25 juillet 2003, je me tenais en civil à Lalue, dans la zone de la Promobank, sur la route que le Coordonnateur devait emprunter pour se rendre au Parquet. Le policier Jean Musset ELVARISTE aussi en civil et l'autre individu étaient positionnés un peu plus loin, au niveau du signal lumineux. Sur la fréquence de ma radio, j'ai suivi les conversations concernant les déplacements de la cible. J'ai aussi entendu une voix suggérer d'envoyer Paul RAYMOND ou René CIVIL accomplir la mission mais, une autre a décliné, arguant que ces derniers étaient trop reconnaissables. Une voiture poursuivait le véhicule du Coordonnateur du Groupe des 184 et les occupants donnaient tout le long de la route, les détails concernant les faits et gestes de la cible. Au bout de quelques minutes, mes deux accompagnateurs m'ont désigné une voiture comme étant celle de la cible. Je me suis effectivement rendu compte qu'il s'agissait du véhicule de André APAID, Jr, mais, je leur ai répondu qu'ils se trompaient arguant que la voiture qui s'amenait était celle du responsable de la Chambre du Commerce. Face à leur insistance, je leur ai proposé de nous rendre au Parquet, vérifier qu'il s'agissait vraiment du Coordonnateur du Groupe des 184.
Arrivés au Parquet, comme responsable adjoint de GIDO, j'ai conseillé aux policiers en poste de faire déplacer tous ceux qui se trouvaient dans les environs. J'en ai profité pour vérifier la présence des quatre (4) jeunes préalablement mentionnés par Jean Claude JEAN-BAPTISTE. Au lieu de quatre (4), je n'en ai remarqué que deux (2), un peu suspects et qui portaient le bonnet et des boucles d'oreilles. Je suggérai à mes collègues policiers de ne laisser personne s'approcher de la voiture de André APAID, Jr. Par la suite, Jean Musset ELVARISTE et l'autre individu m'ont fait remarquer qu'ils ne s'étaient pas trompés et que c'était bien le Coordonnateur du Groupe des 184. Ma réponse fut que je ne le connaissais pas. Jean Claude JEAN-BAPTISTE a été informé de l'échec de la mission. Il m'a appelé pour me reprocher de n'avoir pas exécuté l'ordre qu'il m'avait donné. Je lui ai répondu que je ne connaissais pas la cible. Depuis lors, je suis considéré comme un opposant au pouvoir lavalas qui cherche à tout prix à m'abattre.
Je veux signaler à l'intention de tous, qu'en 1995, lorsque j'entrai dans la Police Nationale d'Haïti, je brûlais du désir de servir mon pays en toute honnêteté. Malheureusement, cette institution s'est déviée de la mission qu'elle s'était fixée. Elle est aujourd'hui, synonyme d'un réseau de malfaiteurs, de voleurs, de kidnappeurs, de dealers de drogue. La police est aussi corrompue que politisée et placée au service d'un seul homme, le Président de la République.
Point n'est besoin de passer par l'Académie de Police pour devenir policier; il suffit d'être partisan du pouvoir ou mieux, membres zélés d'Organisations Populaires pro lavalas.
L'infime minorité de policiers sérieux qui prêtent encore leur service à la Police Nationale d'Haïti ne sont pas dans les postes de commande. Ils sont éparpillés dans les endroits les plus reculés du pays.
Les promotions sont octroyées au mépris des lois régissant l'institution. Des gens sont promus commissaires, inspecteurs sans aucune formation policière.
Sur ces entrefaites, j'ai décidé de rendre un dernier service à la Nation et, le plus noble cadeau que je puisse lui offrir est de me soustraire de la Police Nationale d'Haïti pour ne pas/plus être complice, même tacite, des basses oeuvres qui se commettent au vu et au su de tous par ceux-là mêmes qui sont appelés à protéger et servir. Je me permets d'inviter sous mes camarades, frères policiers qui ont encore une certaine honnêteté, à emboîter le pas, car, c'est aussi une manière de dire NON.
Jules BELIMAIRE
Policier, A3
PierreR Torchenot
Columbia, MD - Wednesday, February 11, 2004 at 12:58:56 (EST)
posted February 11, 2004
Q&A: What's behind the violent uprisings in Haiti?
As a violent uprising in Haiti continues to spread, the country's fragile peace looks as shaky as it has in a decade. Robert Maguire, Director of International Affairs & Haiti Programs at Trinity College in Washington DC, spoke with csmonitor.com's Seth Stern about the situation in Haiti.
What's causing the recent violence? How much is due to anger over the 2000 legislative election which President Jean-Bertrand Aristide's opponents charge was flawed?
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The underlying cause is both economic and political. Politically, it does go back to the 2000 election and the government's inability to address that issue effectively and the opponents' inability to participate. It has created this growing crescendo of political polarization that in the past two months has reached the shouting point of violence and demonstrations in the street.
The economic component is somewhat linked to those 2000 elections. Even before that and surely following that, most bilateral and multilateral assistance was cut off - including by the US. Some $500 million in developmental assistance was withheld and essentially this has been a resource starved government unable to invest in social welfare programs, infrastructure development and any other investments in the hemisphere's poorest country. This has obviously eroded support of the government since people expected it to deliver and it has been unable to accomplish virtually anything
Who is in the opposition to Aristide's rule?
The opposition is multi-faceted. The traditional political opposition which has been intransigently opposed to Aristide since 2000. You have the more elite opposition to Aristide which is led by more traditional elites - people from the business class and intellectuals - which has attracted people from middle and lower middle classes. They are all disaffected by corruption and the inability to meet the nation's needs.
The third component in this opposition, the one gaining headlines, is the violent gangs. These gangs are a very fluid bunch. They can shift alliances pretty easy. They're opportunistic gangs who view politics as a means of survival. Some of them had been affiliated with the government where as others had not. Among the gangs, we are currently seeing a resurgence of organized resistance comprising former Haitian military and paramilitary members.
Is there a danger that former military leaders could seize power?
Not in the immediate future. There is a real danger that whatever public security Haiti does have could erode. A beleaguered, corrupt, and weakened Haitian police force will be unable to withstand opponents who are quite well armed and in many different locations.
Is there any significance that the main site of violence is Gonaives, where a revolt against former dictator Jean-Claude Duvalier began in 1985?
Gonaives has been a hot bed of political action since 1985. I think that what may be even more significant is the existence of gangs there. Some of them were born in the 1985 period. You've had some repeated episodes of violence.
What are Aristide's prospects?
His government has never been unchallenged, but this level of opposition accompanied by violence is the largest challenge his government has experienced since he was sworn in Feb. 2001 to a second term. I believe he is intent on hanging on and I believe that up until now he had the support of the principal international actors who continue to recognize his legitimacy. We should watch whether the Haitian government will appeal to the Organization of American States, since they are now characterizing the violence as an attempted coup d etat.
What are the prospects for a peaceful resolution?
The interesting question is how will the nonviolent opposition will respond to the increasing violence and chaos being done in their name. I haven't seen much of a response yet. There is a tendency in Haitian politics to step back and let violence spin out if you perceive it will help you meet your goals. That's why it's going to be very important to see what the opposition does - whether violence could push them to try to mediate a solution with Aristide.
Elle
- Wednesday, February 11, 2004 at 12:14:02 (EST)
Mobutoo,
Believe it or not, I would like to see an end to the current situation; but make no mistake about it, Lavalasse and the Opposition "almost" can no longer coexist peacefully. One has to go. These groups have created so much hatred and distrust for each other that any tentative coexistence will be fruitless. That is my opinion.
Anonym
MD - Wednesday, February 11, 2004 at 12:09:51 (EST)
"Si de 1991 à 1994, les forces de terreur ont fait plus de 5000 morts pour tenter de réussir leurs coups, que feront-elles des plus d'un million de citoyens qui sont descendus dans les rues samedi pour réaffirmer leur vonlonté de vivre dans une société démocratique où le pouvoir s'acquiert par les élections"
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- Wednesday, February 11, 2004 at 11:27:29 (EST)
Recent Events in Haitian History
Tue Feb 10,12:58 PM ET
By The Associated Press
Recent events in Haitian history:
Dec. 16, 1990 — Jean-Bertrand Aristide, then a Roman Catholic priest popular among the urban poor, becomes Haiti's first democratically elected president after nearly 30 years of dictatorship under the Duvalier family.
Sept. 30, 1991 — The army overthrows Aristide's government, forcing the president into exile in the United States.
Sept. 19, 1994 — U.S. troops intervene to restore Aristide to power.
Feb. 6, 1995 — Aristide disbands the Haitian army and replaces it with a civilian police force.
Dec. 23, 1995 — Rene Preval, Aristide's protege, elected president. Term limit prohibits Aristide from running.
May 21, 2000 — Aristide's Lavalas Family party sweeps legislative elections that observers say were flawed. The international community puts millions in foreign aid on hold until results are revised.
Nov. 26, 2000 — Aristide wins a second term as president in elections boycotted by major opposition parties who claimed fraud in the legislative elections.
Feb. 7, 2001 — Aristide takes office for his second term.
Dec. 17, 2001 — Gunmen raid the national palace in what the government calls a coup attempt. Opponents say the government staged the attack to distract attention from its shortcomings.
December 2001 — Fearing a mass exodus of Haitian boatpeople, the Bush administration makes a secret decision to keep Haitian asylum seekers jailed until their cases are decided.
July 2002 — Government-endorsed cooperative banks collapse across Haiti, losing the life savings of thousands, amid allegations the accounts were used to launder drug money. Violent protests ensue and more Haitians try to reach U.S. shores.
Oct. 29, 2002 — More than 200 illegal Haitian migrants jump overboard and rush onto a major Miami highway, bringing attention to the plight of a people desperate to escape the unending violence created by Haiti's politics and poverty.
April 3, 2003 — Aristide's government officially sanctions Voodoo as a religion, allowing practitioners to begin performing ceremonies from baptisms to marriages.
September 2003 — A wave of protests begin against Aristide, spreading across the country. Dozens are killed and injured in clashes between police and government opponents.
Feb. 5, 2004 — Armed rebels seize control of Gonaives, Haiti's fourth-largest city, starting a popular uprising that threatens Aristide's presidency.
Mirna
- Wednesday, February 11, 2004 at 10:27:58 (EST)
POUKI SA?
Pouki sa te fèt Ayisyen?
Pouki sa mwen pòv
Pouki sa lè manmanm te pousém
Bondié pat pété fièl mwen
paské sa ki anba tè pi bien
pasé maléré nan péyim.
Lè zòt mouri
Tout dwa de lòm kampé
lè sé pòv ki mouri
menm chen pa souké ké bali..
...
- Wednesday, February 11, 2004 at 09:37:37 (EST)
(CBS/AP) A popular uprising in Haiti spread on Monday with anti-government rebels taking control of at least eight towns in western Haiti.
At least 46 people have been killed since armed opponents of President Jean-Bertrand Aristide began their assault Thursday, setting police stations on fire and driving officers from the northwestern city of Gonaives and several smaller nearby towns.
"We are in a situation of armed popular insurrection," said opposition politician and former coup leader, former army Col. Himler Rebu.
Hundreds of Haitians looted TV sets, mattresses and sacks of flour from shipping containers Sunday in St. Marc, one of several communities seized by rebels in a bloody uprising against Aristide.
Using felled trees, flaming tires and car chassis, residents blocked streets throughout St. Marc on Sunday, one day after militants drove out police in gunbattles that killed two people. Many residents have formed neighborhood groups to back insurgents in their push to expel the president.
Anger has been brewing in Haiti since Aristide's party won flawed legislative elections in 2000. The opposition and foreign governments, including the United States, accused the party of changing the way votes were tabulated to allow a handful of their candidate into the national legislature.
The opposition refuses to join in any new vote unless the president resigns; he insists on serving out his term, ending in 2006.
The situation has worsened since the United States blocked aid to impoverished Haiti from multinational organizations. At least $145 million has been delayed.
Clashes between government opponents, police and Aristide supporters have killed at least 97 people since mid-September.
In a recent statement, the U.S. Embassy in Haiti blamed violence not on Aristide's opponents, but on allies of the president.
On Jan. 30, the Embassy announced the departure of nonessential staff and dependents.
"Haiti's security environment has been deteriorating as President Aristide has continued to politicize the Haitian National Police and used government resources to pay for violent gangs to attack opposition demonstrators," the Embassy said.
The statement warned Americans to "defer travel to Haiti," and said the unrest had closed U.S. diplomatic offices several times.
In the bloodiest fights of recent days, 150 police tried to retake control of Gonaives on Saturday but left hours later after a series of gunbattles, witnesses said. At least nine people were killed, seven of them police, in gunbattles with rebels hiding on side streets and crouched in doorways.
Crowds mutilated and beat the corpses of three police officers. One body was dragged through the street as a man swung at it with a machete, and a woman cut off the officer's ear. Another policeman was lynched and stripped to his shorts, and residents dropped large rocks on his body.
Haitian radio stations reported claims by other rebels that as many as 14 police were killed in Gonaives on Saturday, but that couldn't be confirmed.
Meanwhile, before dawn Sunday an unidentified group of arsonists torched a two-story building in northern Cap-Haitien housing the studio of Radio Vision 2000, destroying it, the independent Haitian broadcaster said.
Rebels continued to rule the streets of Gonaives on Sunday, witnesses said, though it was unclear how many armed militants were the city of 200,000.
Calling the violence acts of terrorism, the government has vowed to regain control of the area, but it was unclear when police planned to return.
Police have deserted at least six other nearby towns, including Ennery, Gros Morne, L'Estere, Anse Rouge, Petite Riviere de l'Artibonite and Trou du Nord, according to the Haitian Press Network, a local news service.
Attackers set fire to the police stations of Gonaives, St. Marc and Trou du Nord. In St. Marc, the courthouse also was gutted by flames.
One 22-year-old bystander in St. Marc, David Saint-Louis, was wounded by a gunshot in the chest Sunday and said it was a police officer — in civilian clothing but wearing a badge — who fired at him near a barricade.
A number of people in both Gonaives and St. Marc said they formed neighborhood committees to aid the militants and keep watch over their areas.
The recent violence started Thursday when members of the Gonaives Resistance Front, took control of the Gonaives police station during a five-hour gunbattle. They set fire to buildings — including the mayor's house — and freed more than 100 prisoners from the city jail. Those clashes left at least seven dead and 20 injured.
The Gonaives Resistance Front used to be allied with Aristide. But it turned against him last year and changed its name from the "Cannibal Army," accusing the government of killing its leader Amiot Metayer to keep him from releasing damaging information about Aristide. The government denies it.
Some gunmen in Gonaives wore the camouflage pants and helmets of Haiti's disbanded army. The army ousted Aristide in 1991 during his first term. He was restored in a 1994 U.S. invasion and then disbanded the army, replacing it with a new civilian police force.
©MMIV, CBS Broadcasting Inc. All Rights Reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed. The Associated Press contributed to this report.
I extracted this part from the above article as reported by CBS:
"The Gonaives Resistance Front used to be allied with Aristide. But it turned against him last year and changed its name from the "Cannibal Army," accusing the government of killing its leader Amiot Metayer to keep him from releasing damaging information about Aristide. The government denies it."
Let the above statement be a reiteration that the current violence is NOT a product of the Opposition and the peaceful demontrators. These folks are actually products of Aristide who are out to avenge their slain leader. In fact, what we are witnessing in Haiti today is what used to be done to folks who spoke against Aristide.
The current violence is a personal issue between Aristide and his creation. They are implicating Apaid and the Opposition as a mean to divert attention from the real responsible party. We are smarter than that people folks, we have the ability to decipher this plot.
All this could be resolve if Aristide resigns. The Canibal Army will not go anywhere.
Violence is not being advocated here. Aristide needs to take responsility and act accordingly.
Pierre R Toechenot
Columbia, MD - Wednesday, February 11, 2004 at 09:24:04 (EST)
I am glad there are some people who want a peaceful end to the situation in Haiti. Not because they are for Aristide but because they know violence is not the answer and will never be....Democracy takes time, eventually it will get much better. Let Aristide do his time unless he can be recalled legally/peacefully.
Mobutoo
Stafford, VA - Wednesday, February 11, 2004 at 08:42:15 (EST)
Louverture,
St Jean L'evangeliste is located in Turgeau. Not too far from Canado and Roger Anglade. In 1985 I was in moyen 2. I had several teachers: The imfoumous Boucan, Simon Seide, Junot, Pinchinat, moise,Blo. Max Dejean was second in command after Bernard, then Pelchard.
email me your name.
Pierre R Torchenot <pierretorchenot@hotmail.com>
Columbia, MD - Tuesday, February 10, 2004 at 22:21:12 (EST)
PR
Who was your teacher in St Jean Evangelist. Where is that school located? What grade were you in in 1985?
I was a student there and I do not remember your name
Peace
Louverture
Baltimore, MD - Tuesday, February 10, 2004 at 21:52:08 (EST)
As I look at the bodies of the police officers in Haiti. Some mutilated by the people that call themselves liberators, I wonder what are we in this world. Are we citizen of the world or are we still a bunch of backward people who knows nothing but violence. Indeed it is a sad day to be Haitian. Somehow we never learn. If one don't get all he ask for in Haiti, then he raise a so call resistance Army and start dealing with force. It doesn't matter who he finds in the street, he kills. Are Haitian blood water that one can just spill without remorse. Can we justify the killing of those that are supposed to protect us in uniform? Please tell me you who dare to justify all this Hate. Please tell me who fail to come together with a solution but instead wish to take arm. Perhaps I am dull and uneducated and ill-informed.we fought each other. My brother was a noble officer in the Former Leopard-the Elite Haitian at the time. He never lay hand on a soul. But How sad to see Haitian-My people killing each other while men of power-Oppossition or Lavalas can stand and do nothing. Even the world especially the Bushes were so critical of Aristide that I am sure did not help the situation. As always it is always one side they place the blame. Even after the bodies of innocent men in uniform were terribly treated by the Men who used to called themselves the carnibal Army, the Bushes said nothing. Is this Freedom? Freedom to kill who ever you oppose? When these men call the Cannibals were on the side of Aristide, they were always condemned as thugs. They were criminals. But now they switch loyalty, they are call rebels or liberators and the killing innocent people is justify. Did they stop being criminals because they switch loyalty or their names? Please.
I am sure that Haitians do not agree with Aristide. He never did much but he was never given a chance by the opposition that only want Power for themselves and their rich friends. Is it how we plan for the rest of our days on this earth as a people:{ using violence overtime someone fail to bring change quicker than we want-Like Magic? Are we going to DEJOUKE every president during half of his term overtime an opposition that cannot win in election, but must use violence to get his ways? With or without Aristide, the country must live. I am a Haitian. Yes, Jewish, but I still love my country. I am ready to defend her. I am ready to defend her like I would defend the state of Israel. She is precious to me. It s a great shame to see my brothers killing themselves and doing all this cannibal things to bodies of others. I hated the Duvalier regime but sometimes, I wonder if Haitian only can walk straight only when their freedom is restricted or with a BATON in their asses. It would be sad to think so but it seem that the only people we respect are those that always tell us what to do when pointing the gun in our heads. It is a sad moment for Haiti and for hers sons and daughters that live in the Diaspora. How can we say we are Haitians while our people behave like half humans who cut the ears of their Brother enemies?
Good or bad, Aristide did not destroy Haiti. Haitian as been raping the country for such a long time. The bourgeois and the Elite of Haiti always add oil to the fire. They send their sons to French universities and American Universities while the poor is naked and cannot send his to school because if the do wish to go to school, then they are for the government and can be shot. Since when children must be held prisoners in their own houses and deny a chance to lead, Please tell me where are the men of peace? Where are the men of Human rights? Are they former Duvalierist and opportunist with mask of democracy and peace? Where are the ones that should be condemning all violence and say stop? I guess that makes me with Aristide and an enemy of my own mother Haiti now since I say that violence is not the answer. If it should be let Aristide supporters arm themselves and start a show down. They let us have a bloody civil war. Then let us kill each other like beasts that we are until one side win. They let us then eat each others bodies out of anger. Then let the winner rule and make slaves of his brothers. YES, I SAY IT. I AM tired of you Idiots making hard for me to visit the home I once love as a child. Yes, if it is violence that we know and love and cherish then find DESTROY DESTROY mother Haiti. Bleed her to death! Go head you cannibals. Go head RAPE RAPE your sisters and make orphans out of poor children. GO head place a gun in their hands and say that you are liberators. GO HEAD YOU {EDITED BY WEBMASTER} KILL KILL KILL. KILL YOU HALF HUMAN who cares nothing for your people or your country. GO head the white world is watching and encouraging you to kill your brothers while they preserve theirs. Does the blood of your dying brother taste sweet? It must be since you seem to be enjoying his dead body. I am angry because My brother and I, although we share different views and different political parties, we will never raise a finger for the sake of that party or those GRAN NEE who cares nothing for us. Most of my friends to share different views but they will never kill another over political ideas. W
What kind of a nation are we? After Aristide another will come a robed us blind. doesn't every Haitian have the right to express himself freely? Who shall you follow a leader that call unity for all Haitians or another that say that I will not speak to this man because he won't allow me to do as I wish-therefore, COUPE TETE BOLE KAY. How long have we been burning and destroying. It gets us no where
Men in Uniform
- Tuesday, February 10, 2004 at 20:48:25 (EST)
Ayiti, just as I've told mapswiv, our point of views will never cross at any point because our beliefs differ so much. My point for the discussions is simply to express my personal opinion, not to express the views of the opposition, and certainly not to fight with you. You and many others on the other hand, are dirven by fanaticism. Mr Apaid could be standing right next to me this very moment, I would not know who he is.
Apaid is not Aristide opposing counterpart. Apaid holds no official position in Haiti. His name seems to be a way to divert attention from the man who is responsible for Haiti's highest office.
I find a serious irony in the notion that Aristide want the Haitian people to adopt a "democratic" process to resolve their affairs. When did Aristide implement any educational means of democracy?
Ayiti, to put this rest, let time unfold this story.
Map Swiv, you are completely neurotic.
I have three words for you: extra strengh prozac.
Pierre R Torchenot
Columbia, MD - Tuesday, February 10, 2004 at 20:36:08 (EST)
Ayiti, just as I've told mapswiv, our point of views will never cross at any point because our beliefs differ so much. My point for the discussions is simply to express my personal opinion, not to express the views of the opposition, and certainly not to fight with you. You and many others on the other hand, are dirven by fanaticism. Mr Apaid could be standing right next to me this very moment, I would know who he is.
Apaid is not Aristide opposing counterpart. Apaid holds no official position in Haiti. His name seems to be a way to divert attention from the man who is responsible for Haiti's highest office.
I find a serious irony in the notion that Aristide want the Haitian people to adopt a "democratic" process to resolve their affairs. When did Aristide implement any educational means of democracy?
Ayiti, to put this rest, let time unfold this story.
Map Swiv, you are completely neurotic.
I have three words for you: extra strengh prozac.
Pierre R Torchenot
Columbia, MD - Tuesday, February 10, 2004 at 20:34:47 (EST)
Love F M P tell me are you still having the march,or is there a change of plan. yes,no,later,never...
My feeling is that if you have a march today, it will turn into a {for or against} Titid march ,while I know that this is not your idea of a march.
So what's the scoop sista.
Pwazon
Silver Spring, Md - Tuesday, February 10, 2004 at 19:38:07 (EST)
PR, looks like I'm not the only one "having a moment." You are trying to make yourself, as well as other people, believe that you and the opposition know what's better for Haiti, better than mass of the people.
That my friend is elitist thinking, which is an unfortunate but destructive part of the Haitian culture.
map swiv
- Tuesday, February 10, 2004 at 18:19:44 (EST)
Pierre,
No, The Haitian people have not spoken. Many Haitians are not happy with Aistide.But, it's 8 million of them.He is till putting more people on the streets than the oposition has done. You say that Aristide has no plans. Neither do Apaid and anyone else in the oppositon.instead of talking for the Haitian people(you are not their spokesperson), encourage Apaid to participate in the elections so that we can know what the Haitian people really want. Do not make any excuses!
let's be honest. If you want to talk about Aristide chimeres, talk also about Apaid Chimere who are killing people now. if you deny that Apaid has chimeres, then you have no proof that Aristide has chimeres.
If you are referring to Aristide as a pimp, so is Apaid and company. I will continue showing your bias coupled with some arrogance in this struggle.
You are right: The struggle is bigger than both you and I. That's why I am fighting against your ideas. They are dangerous.Some will say any lie to prove a point. I wiill reiterate that There is no proof that the Haitian people want Aristide to go. Elections(which some of us do not like) must be the means through wich we change our leaders. I shall support anone who is democratically elected by the people.
Ayiti
- Tuesday, February 10, 2004 at 18:02:07 (EST)
keep ofooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
polomugu <mugu@mugu.com>
lome, togo - Tuesday, February 10, 2004 at 14:49:27 (EST)
La NCHR accusée d'avoir reçu du porte-parole de l'opposition aux Gonaïves la liste des partisans Lavalas à exécuter: Pierre Espérance dément
Port-au-Prince, 10 février 2004 - La coalition nationale pour les droits des haïtiens NCHR a été accusée mardi d'avoir reçu bien avant les derniers evénements meurtriers des Gonaïves copie d'une liste des partisans du parti Lavalas qui devraient être tués ou dont le doomcille devrai être incendié.
Cette liste aurait été dressée par le porte-parole de l'opposition aux Gonaïves, Winter Etienne qui dirige avec le repris de justce Jean attoune et les només Winter Etiene et Ti Will la branche locale de l'oppposition, a indiqué le journaliste Jean laurent Nelson qui est orriginaire des Gonaïves.
Selon le journaliste qui intervenait dans le journal de 8:30 de la station privée, Radio Solidarité, les résidences de la plapart des citoyens dont les noms figurent sur cette liste ont dejà eté brûlés.
Prenant la parole dans ce même journal, le responsable de la NCH, Pierre Espérance, a nié avoir reçu cette liste, tout en disant condamner toutes les formes de violence.
Pierre Espeance a également pris la défense de la platefome politique des 184 qui ne serait pas impliquée, selon lui, dans les violences commises par ses partisans dans la Cité de l'indépendance.
Selon le responsable de la NCHR, la plateforme n'aurait rien à voir avec la bande au repris de justice, Jean Tatoune.
Toutefois, les déclaratios de M. Espérance sont en nette contradiction avec celles faites récemenn par des respponsabble de l'oposition dont Evans Paul, Victor Benoit et Hervé Saintilus qui avaient soit soutenu les actions de la branche locale de l'oppositionn ou appelé à la révolte générale pour tenter le renversement des autorités constitutionelles.
Lors de leurs récentes manifestatiions devant la faculté ds sciences humaines ou ailleurs, les partisans de la plateforme ont appelé Butter Métayer, Winter Etienne et Jean Tatoune à leur venir en aide à Port-au-Prince.
Pour sa part, le responsable de la fondation 30 septembre, Lovinski Pierre-Antoine, accusé la NCHR de se comporter davantage comme membre de la plateforme polttique des 184 que comme organnisaton de droits de l''homme.
Selon M. Pierre Antoine, cette oganisaton se fait un point d'honneur à dénoncer les moindres écarts commis par des miltants lavalas mais à occulter les atrocités les plus graves perpétrées par l'opposition.
Il a égalemennt dénoncé la présence la semaine dernière d'un responsable de la NCHR aux côtes des plus hautes autorités de la plateforme de l'opposition au moment d'une tentative d'enlèvement à l'Hopital du Canapé-Vert, du cadavre d'un miltant lavalas, Lionel Victor, qu'ils voulaient faire passer pour un étudiant de l'opposition.
Le responsable de la Fondation 30 septembre a fait savoir qu'il est trop tard pour les responsable des 184 de se démarquer des actes de terrorisme commis par leurs alliiés aux Gonaïves.
" C'est ce à quoi ils voulaient arriver après leur rejet de toutes les propositions de sorrtie pacifique de la crise, a-il encore fait savoir.
Pierre Filsaimé
Orlando, FL - Tuesday, February 10, 2004 at 13:31:36 (EST)
Just a reminder: The BIG "Media" in Haiti Metropole, Vision 2000, Galaxi, Ajh are members of the 184 so they become the porte parole of the opozisyon.
Haiti
- Tuesday, February 10, 2004 at 13:22:47 (EST)
PR, I am taking your word when you said that the students protests were peaceful and that the policy shot at them. It is just sometimes I read on this board or yahoo etc that the protesters or some people within their group shot at the police. News reports coming from Haiti's media are usually 90% rumors and 10% truth.
Mobutoo
Stafford, VA - Tuesday, February 10, 2004 at 11:36:32 (EST)
Que fit Haiti Depuis le départ de Duvalier en1986?
Il en rit, N'en fit rien, se régala, manigança jusqu'en Avril, ne pouvant se rendre plus prospère, lava lassement ses mains, il se heurta la tëte jusqu'a ce qu'il ait la trouille au point que n'ayant pu se prévaloir de ses droits de citoyens. demande le retour du père qui se dit prët a ramener le pays a 1803, bataille aux Gonaives, mort de Métayer et retour de l'esclavage.
Un jour le pays pourra célébrer son indépendance.
orlando
- Tuesday, February 10, 2004 at 11:17:58 (EST)
Mobutoo, Who is using force? Students organized peaceful protests to voice their disatisfaction with the goevernment,The police threw rocks at them, shoot at them. This is not the original phase in wich the protest surfaced, this is the end result of police brutality. This is fruit that the Lavalas tree bears. The current Metayer who is at the head the uprising in Gonaives is the brother of the late Amiot who EVERYBODY knows was the ganster partisant of Aristide. Metayer is Aristide's product, it just the chicken returning home.
Pierre R Torchenot
Columbia, MD - Tuesday, February 10, 2004 at 10:00:03 (EST)
Ayiti,
In 1985 I was a small school boy at St Jean L'evangeliste, along with millions of others accross the country, we were the future of Haiti. Many of us found ourselves needing to leave the country because it was progressively getting worst, but hoping to return and contribute to our nuturing land. The Lavalas idea immerged from the uprising and quickly establish itself as the people's choice. At the time, the message seemed to be from heaven via the Catholic Church as the "delivering" company and Aristide was the "UPS" man. His message called for social justice for the overwhelming majority of the people. Aristide popularity among the mass was unquestionably great; one of the reasons for that was he could easily gotten lost in the crowd, he was really one of them. As time progressed, many detected Aristide message suffered from bipolarity, on one hand he called for love and the other hand he called for the opposing end. Any good doctor could have easily given a progonsis on his ailment. Lavalas had no good agenda,no real solutions for Haiti. Lavalas was conceived in bitterness . Years have passed, Aristide has gotten richer and the mass has gotten poorer. Capitalism replaced the "La famille c'est la vie" message. He is longer part of the mass, he will no longer be lost in the crowd.
Ayiti, I don't think Apaid has to prove the discontentment of the people with Aristide by entering the elections, it is unequivocally clear that Haitians are sick of him. Don't confuse the Chimere actions as support for Aristide, it just a job for them, just as it was for the "di riz ak chou" folks under Cedras. Aristide and his supporters tend to resort to "democracy" as a shelter and to buy time. Since when was Lavalas was so democratic? In a democracy the voice of the people is dictading force; the people have spoken: no more Aristide. Richard Nixon had to step down when the environment call for his resignation, why can't Aristide answer his call? Does he hold some type of patent or does he know of a loophole which excludes him from this democratic process?
Haiti is bigger than any one man, be it Aristide, Apaid, you or I. It the for the greater good. We are not interested in "internet pimp,' poetic pimp" just "poetic justice" if you will.
Pierre Torchenot
Columbia , MD - Tuesday, February 10, 2004 at 09:44:09 (EST)
PR, I am disapponted with the current Administration in Haiti also but there are rules of laws and principles to follow. I do not mind peaceful protest/demonstration to force him to resign (not exile) but why use "FORCE". Unless the opposition can provide concrete evidence, not the bogus evidence for U.S/Iraq war or in Haiti where rumors became facts, he should complete his term. Many of us are not satisfied with the current U.S. president but we are waiting for November's election. Why not the same thinking for Haiti? I know some people will say Haiti & U.S is not the same. Well, it will not be the same as long as we choose to act or think differently of Haiti. I personally would like to see another election in Haiti where the people get to choose again their next president. Otherwise everytime a group is not satisfied with the government in power, they will use force. We've got to break out of that cycle even if it is painful.
Mobutoo
Stafford, VA - Tuesday, February 10, 2004 at 09:22:46 (EST)
Pierre,
The Haitian people did not vote for Aristide because they were ignorant.They voted for him because most of them embraced his call for social justice,economic development that benefits everyone. Today,if he has not delivered, it is up to the people to choose their leaders through democratic means. Not through the guns of some criminals with the blessings of a corrupt elite which is more interested in financing coup d'etat. I wish Andre Apaid and company were as brave as Aristide when the latter participated in elections during a period of insecurity.I wish Apaid would participate in elections so that he can show that the Haitian people no longer support Aristide. That will put an end to speaking for the nation. Let the peole choose their own leader! Unfortunately,Apaid and company are afraid of Aristide's popularity. That's the true reason why they are so much against elections.They chose armed rebellion.It is the Haitian people' right to choose a "poetic pimp". It is certainly anybody's right to prefer an elitist pimp, an internet pimp,a rich pimp, a pimp who has abused his workers, a dull pimp...The Haitian people are not ignorant. They are smarter than many of us who had the priviledge of formal education. As a Haitian doctor states,"to many of us, school did us more harm than good" To put it simply, there is nothing worse than an educated fool!
I have suffered too much untruth,non-sense in this wonderful sharing of ideas. I intend to continue this exchange. It is a battle of ideas which I embrace!
Ayiti
- Tuesday, February 10, 2004 at 00:41:23 (EST)
Nan Samdi ki té 7 Fevrié demilkat la, Popilasyon wan renouvlé volonté yo pou fè respekté manda konstitisyonèl Ke yo te plasé nan men prezidan nasyon wan, plis ke twasan mil moun ki sòti nan tout kouch sosyal péyi ya te manifésté nan pòtoprins Daprè chanel panyòl UniVision...Tèt foul la té devan simitiè Petion Ville print ke foul la te apèn ap kité kafou ayéoPò, Sa vlé alé pou vini Opozisyon wan pa gen lòt chwa ke pou yo négosié al pouvwa an plas la...Padan foul la tap recklé 5an Aristide la yo tap di tou ke yo prè pou goumen si chèf la ba yo siyal
ekzakteman
- Monday, February 09, 2004 at 21:54:49 (EST)
Ladies and Gents, Mapswiv is having a moment. Please be understanding, it's his time of the month.
Pierre r Torchenot
Columbia , MD - Monday, February 09, 2004 at 21:42:58 (EST)
rhetoric, rhetoric, rhetoric
bull sht, bull sht, bull sht...
map swiv
- Monday, February 09, 2004 at 20:57:48 (EST)
Mobutoo, the end of Lavalas is an idea whose time has come! 18 years ago this month, Aristide immerged from the uprising that is similar to the one that now imminent. Then, there was a strange smell in the air much like the one that has been in the Haitian horizon for the past year or so. It's like pheromone, an aroma release from a female calling for male partners. He's about to suffer a similar outcome as the Duvalier regime suffered 18 years ago this month.
It's time for a fresh idea, one that is not opportunistic in nature as this current one. Haitians fell for Aristide misadventure because they were on the rebound from a 30 year relationship. He capitalized from their vulnerability and their ignorance with a series hypnotic speeches. I truly believe that Haitians are wiser now than they were 18 years ago thus will not fall for another poetic pimp!
Pierre R Torchenot
Columbia, MD - Monday, February 09, 2004 at 20:31:59 (EST)
Oui JCV on me l'a dit aussi que tu as fait venir some good looking boys/man direct from Haiti pour ce nouveau group.
Pouquoi tu ne fais pas un petit show pour les presenter a la communaute.
Moin pa ka tan Avril non
Josie
Bethesda, Md - Monday, February 09, 2004 at 20:20:21 (EST)
You are so right,I did made a mistake and I apologize.
The actual date is Sunday February the 15th.
Los arrieros is located at 7926 Georgia Ave Silver Spring Md-between Eastern ave and East West Highway.
Doors open at 6pm showtime 7pm
Remember you can see a preview of the movie on Haiti A Suivre
Tonight on ch 19 at 9pm in mont co.
TU at 10pm on ch 76 in PG
TH at 10PM on ch 13in MC
FR at 5:30pm on ch 19 in MC
SA at 4 & 10pm on ch 13 in MC
SU at 9am on ch 13 in MC
TRANKILL the new band is really working hard to bring you the best konpa ever in the DC area.
Look out for them in April
The friends who attend the band practice are really amazed of what they see and hear
Be ready to party.
Jean Claude Vivens <jcvivens@mris.com>
Wheaton, MD - Monday, February 09, 2004 at 17:29:11 (EST)
With all the talk that we've done here on the board, NONE of us will go back to participate and put our lives on the line for either side.
We will sit and watch and listen, and do more talking s$*%^*$&t. When things calm down, we will go back with our American dollars and enjoy ourselves and pity the poor, poor little Haiti.
(please do not respond, if you do not understand the word SARCASM)
map swiv
- Monday, February 09, 2004 at 16:17:17 (EST)
Apparently, some people are trying to remove Aristide by force. We had different views on this board for the past weeks. Is that really what is needed? What is next? Is there a leader or is it going to be an all out fight?
Mobutoo
Stafford, VA - Monday, February 09, 2004 at 16:00:53 (EST)
I have a question.
What is the exact date for the movie " I love YOU ANNE"
I saw a post for saturday the 15th of febuary.
I would like to know if its saturday 14th or sunday the 15th of febuary?
Maestro a
Maestro a <cedou18@hotmail.com>
temple hills, MD - Monday, February 09, 2004 at 10:32:44 (EST)
Gonaïves: plusieurs morts ce samedi dont un policier et des membres du groupe armé de la la plateforme politique de l'opposittion
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Port-au-Prince, 7 février 2004 - Le porte-parole de la police nationale d'Haïti,(PNH), Jean Bruce Myrthil a fait savoir samedi soir que le policier Douken Gustinvil, a été tué et plusieurs autres blessés aux Gonaïves au moment d'une opération visant à neutraliser des membres armés de l'opposition qui sèment la terreur depuis jeudi dans la quatrième ville du pays.
Les membres armés de la coalion politique de l'opposition conduits par le repris de justice, Jean Pierre dit Jean Tatoune, ont également subi des pertes, a-t-il fait savoir.
M Myrthil a souligné que des policiers et des membres de la population civile avaient déjà été tués jeudi lors de l'attaque à l'arme lourde de l'opposition. qui avaient également incendié le commissariat de police et des résidences privées de partisans du parti au pouvoir.
Le policier tué lors de l'opération de ce samedi est un membre du corps spécialisé Swat Team, a fait savoir M Myrthil, à l'issue d'une rencontre du Connseil supérieuur de la PNH.
Douken Gustinvil a trouvé la mort au moment où les membres de la police observaient un repli suite à l'utiliisattion par les 'terroistes" de membres de la population comme boucliers humaiins. Les policiers avaient pris cette décision pour éviter de causer d'innocentes victimes , a ajouté le porte-parole.
Il assuré que la police fera tout ce qui est en son pouvoir pour arriver à bout des terroristes qui sèment lle deuil dans la cité de l'Indépendance.
Aucune allusion n'a été faite au bilan de 14 policiers tués véhiculés par des radios de Port-au-Prince.
Des membres de la population des Gonaïves avaient déploré un peu plus tôt samedi la "guerre psychologique" entretennue ont-ils dit, sur la situation des Gonaïves au moment où des centaines de milliers de partisans du présidennt Arisiide manifestaient à Port-au-Prince en faveur de la paix et du respect du mandat du chef de l'Etat.
AHP 7 février 2004 12:00 PM
Haiti
- Sunday, February 08, 2004 at 15:55:12 (EST)
World - Reuters
14 Police Slain in Haiti Shootout, Rebels Say
Sat Feb 7, 4:51 PM ET Add World - Reuters to My Yahoo!
PORT-AU-PRINCE, Haiti (Reuters) - Rebels said they killed 14 policemen on Saturday in a shootout with the authorities who tried to retake control of Haiti's fourth largest city from an anti-government group, the rebels told local radio stations.
AP Photo
Slideshow: Haiti Uprising
Journalists at the scene said the firefight erupted when a police caravan tried to enter Gonaives to take it back from an armed band that took control of the city on Friday and is demanding that embattled President Jean-Bertrand Aristide quit.
Local radio reports quoted rebels as saying 14 policemen were killed in the fighting with members of the Front for Aristide's Departure in the port city about 105 miles from the capital, Port-au-Prince.
It was not immediately possible to confirm the death toll, and there were no reports of rebel casualties.
There were conflicting reports over which side controlled Gonaives.
The crisis in Gonaives has come on top of months of sometimes violent demonstrations in Port-au-Prince and other cities in the impoverished Caribbean nation of 8 million people, mostly organized by Aristide opponents calling on him to quit.
The president's political foes accuse him of corruption and mismanagement. But the former Roman Catholic priest, once widely hailed as a leader of the country's fledgling democracy, also now faces a serious threat from armed opponents.
ARISTIDE TALKS TO CROWD
In the capital, Aristide told a crowd in the capital's slum of Cite Soleil that police were entering Gonaives to regain order, and said the government would "disarm the terrorists."
Government spokesman Mario Dupuy said on local radio stations that the police were once again in control of Gonaives. But rebel spokesman Wynter Etienne told radio stations that his forces maintained control.
Gunmen from the Front for Aristide's Departure stormed the Gonaives police station on Thursday and the Red Cross said at least seven people were killed in a shoot-out there. On Friday, the group, whose members number several hundred, burned down the mayor's home and released scores of prisoners.
As police and the front exchanged fire in one part of town on Saturday, thousands of civilians demonstrated in another, calling for Aristide's departure, journalists on the scene said.
Local radio stations reported that the streets of Gonaives were calm at midday and said civilians celebrated as police officers fled the city on foot. Members of the opposition front had barricaded the road out of the city with overturned vehicles, branches and boulders, according to witnesses.
In Port-au-Prince, Aristide was celebrating the third anniversary of his return to power in 2001 after re-election with thousands of supporters, who then marched through the streets proclaiming their support for him.
"This was democracy that we made. It's anarchy that they have made," said Rubens Sofor, one of the hundreds of Aristide supporters filing down winding streets toward the pro-government demonstration.
Gonaives' front, formerly known as the Cannibal Army, had once been a militantly pro-Aristide group, notorious for its attacks on government critics.
But after the murder last September of the gang's leader, which his family accused Aristide of ordering, the group turned violently against the president. Dozens of people have since been killed in violence between the front and the police in recent months.
Gonaives, whose population was estimated at 200,000 before many residents fled the violence last fall, is commonly called the City of Independence, as it was where Haitian independence from France was declared in 1804.
Aristide became Haiti's first democratically elected president in 1991 but was promptly ousted in a military coup. He was returned to Haiti by U.S.-led forces in 1994 and was re-elected in 2000. His once massive support has dwindled in recent years, but he has said he will serve out his term to 2006.
Pierre R Torchenot
Columbia , MD - Saturday, February 07, 2004 at 20:05:11 (EST)
14 morts du côté de la PNH, une femme de 40 ans et un enfant de 7 ans tombés aux abords de l'hôpiltal des Gonaïves. Il se confirme de plus en plus que le commissariat de Saint Marc est en flammes.
3 véhicules bourrés d'hommes en noir seraient en route pour les Gonaïves. Un hélicoptère survole la ville à haute altitude.
Le commissariat de la Petite Rivière de l'artibonite est désert.
La population gonaïvienne ap file manchette yo.
oukwe
- Saturday, February 07, 2004 at 17:36:30 (EST)
xenical
xenical <dietpills4all@yahoo.com>
Miami, Florida - Saturday, February 07, 2004 at 08:46:19 (EST)
I just want to let you know that B.P Production will present the movie I LOVE YOU ANNE Saturday February 15,2004
at LOS ARRIEROS 7926 Georgia Ave Silver Spring MD (Between Eastern Ave & East West Highway)
Doors open at 6 pm --- show time 7 pm ----adm $10.00
you can also see a preview on the movie on Haiti A S UIVRE T.V Show this weekend and next week.
Jean Claude Vivens <jcvivens @mris.com>
Wheaton, MD - Friday, February 06, 2004 at 23:51:52 (EST)
Bon
Ban mesie kap pale'm yo-pierre-richard,anonym,pwason. map fout bwe of kafe ame ak nou kamem. mwen se aktivite grimel mwen map regle nan peyi a. nou pawe MILDWET i mean Mildred, se bel grimel li ye.
tout jwet se jwet retire grimel mwen nan mem pa la dan'l. pierre-richard map sere ou ti grimel si ou sispan imerde'w washington, kounwe ya mem gen ou pwason boudam.
depi de zanne sweet micky lage nan boudan ak canaval di ri, mem diri ya. mewn pa kon afe diri.
anomym vle boykote lajen'm, bon koummem mwen pal kimbe protokol grimel sa'a san lajen. mesie komesse drog la nan mem se vre, mim sekirite ak chime yo pran pi fo. ti ress la pa ampil e famm rouj koute che.
mapswiv, ou fe travay mwen bien. mwen kite ou milatress pou ou. fok ou fe PR woue ke ti famm tet kret gro bouda'w la pa a la mod anko.
eske gen grimel sou ekodhayti.kom? gen kob pou nou tout. tout grimel ap jwenn. grimel yo eske nou remem mak fabriq sa'a? blye bouch mwen, blye je'm, blye tet mwen, eske nou remem'm?
ansam nou
ansam ansam nou se lavalas
aristide
- Friday, February 06, 2004 at 18:28:00 (EST)
Someone please tell me this:
What do you think the U.S govt would call it if a group of armed men were to seize the police headquarter of the 4th largest city in america,kill some people,burn it down and hold at gun point the officials of that police headquarter.
If you say that they would call it a TERRORIST act-your answer is correct.
Imagine Georges Bush- cnn-abc- cbs- nbc etc...
Since it happens in Haiti--now do you think it's just fine.
Some call Aristide a Dictator ,me I call him a softy because to me there is a difference between DEMOCRACY and TERRORIST.
Sé pou gouvenman té mét cran pou vannen vacabon Gonaives
I don't care for Aristide ,I care for order,respect and principles.
How do you think Haitians would have reacted if they were the Democrats who got the 2000 election stolen from them by Georges Bush.
Pa tap guen U.S anco menm jan pa guen Haiti anco a jodi ya.
Sé sa a ki démocracy ya -
Pwazon
Silver Spring, MD - Friday, February 06, 2004 at 17:20:52 (EST)
Map Swiv, I respect your opinions, substantial or not. I was hoping that we could put fanaticism aside and let our faculty to rationally reason take control, so to speak. It interesting that you've found my opinions increasingly unappealing. It's a matter of convenience? Obviously our arguments are on parallel courses and will never converge. For what it worth, we cool. Peace!
Pierre R Torchenot
Columbia, MD - Friday, February 06, 2004 at 15:18:30 (EST)
Hmmmmm. That feels so good Yopran'm.
Mobutoo
Stafford, VA - Friday, February 06, 2004 at 14:56:08 (EST)
... and lets's have a group hugggggggggggggggggggggg.
Have a great weekend people and stay warm!
Yopran'm
- Friday, February 06, 2004 at 14:14:33 (EST)
PR, I have no issue with someone "attacking" Aristide's wife, but certain criticism are, to use your words, "hypocritical."
Many on the board, whether for Aristide or not, have children who were born here, so therefor they are automatically American. So criticizing her for being American while is ridiculous, and, as I pointed out, if you were to criticize her for that, then you must criticize Mr. Apaid for also being American.
AS for you, feel free to take the criticism for what it's worth. I have nothing against you, and I rather enjoy the debate, "battles" that we've had. I am pointing out to you, however, that lately you are not as interesting in your arguments. Take it for what it's worth.
map swiv
- Friday, February 06, 2004 at 14:08:46 (EST)
Map Swiv, it seems that the landscape of your argument in your latest entry changed from the previous one. I got the message that you were somewhat implicating me in the critics of Aristide's choice of "wife". I don't particularly I don't care for his choice of spouse, I am sure she is ripping the out come of that arrangement. I find you a bit hypocritical when you try to make the critics of Aristide preference of spouse an unethical issue, while you were totally silent when it decidedly unethical to make personal attacks on Echodhaiti. Anyways, let's move on. You and I are similar in some ways, we are both passionate. However, I can move beyond passion and bring substantial points and evidence. Anonym23 aka Anonym, is a very intelligent and rational person, I know her personally. She is very resourceful and her contributions here have been accurate.
Pierre R Torchenot
Columbia, MD - Friday, February 06, 2004 at 13:40:12 (EST)
FYI.....readers of Echodhaiti
World - AP Latin America
Group Takes Over City in Haiti; 4 Dead
Fri Feb 6, 8:37 AM ET
By MICHAEL NORTON, Associated Press Writer
PORT-AU-PRINCE, Haiti - An armed opposition group seized control of Haiti's fourth-largest city in clashes that killed at least four people, while the government vowed to restore order.
Mobutoo
Stafford , VA - Friday, February 06, 2004 at 13:29:27 (EST)
PR, no questions you're an intelligent & passionate person, sometimes more the latter than the former. Your last statement to anonym23 was pure rhetoric. I doubt if you would've responded the same concerning internet spam email, which is what anonym23 posted. Because you receive an email doesn't mean the content is true.
map swiv
- Friday, February 06, 2004 at 12:09:03 (EST)
PR, no questions you're an intelligent & passionate person, sometimes more the latter than the former. Your last statement to anonym23 was pure rhetoric. I doubt if you would've responded the same concerning internet spam email, which is what anonym23 posted. Because you receive an email doesn't mean the content is true.
map swiv
- Friday, February 06, 2004 at 10:51:41 (EST)
Wait until 2006 and that's when Aristide will leave. That's when his term is up!!
We must become a civilized nation!!!
Stop the coups !!!!
Lets Make A Change
- Friday, February 06, 2004 at 09:43:44 (EST)
Map Swiv, what are you referring to?
Pierre R Torchenot
Columbia, MD - Friday, February 06, 2004 at 09:04:44 (EST)
Wow!, sometimes this page has flashes of brilliance, other times it goes right down the gutter.
I've disagreed with PR before, but I always understood where he was coming from. Now he's talking rhetoric. People are attacking a man's choice of wife, even though she is like many among us. His wife could have been you daughter or mine. Apaid, chief guy for the opposition, is American. Most of us on the board have lived more years in the US than in Haiti (if not, close to). We may still call ourselves Haitian, but we know we are not thinking or living like the 8 million Haitians living EVERYDAY on the island.
Just a thought.
map swiv
- Friday, February 06, 2004 at 08:37:36 (EST)
keep offfffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff
polomugu <mugu@mugu.com>
lome, togo - Friday, February 06, 2004 at 07:58:11 (EST)
Aristide gin dwa pran fam li vle. Si li pa pran ou paske ou gen tet kot, pa plinyin pou sa. Al met fo cheve. Le li te nan washington, ma parie avek ou, ou se youn nan sa ki te kon fe chyien devan pot lakay li. Li pase sou ou e li pa pran ou. Se pa fot li.
Ayisyen
Ayisyen
- Thursday, February 05, 2004 at 22:08:06 (EST)
ansam'm nou fo
amsam'm ansam'm nou se lavalas
pa gin ti moun nan zon nan poum paye reglemem'm.
pa blie, ti famm tet krot pa la dan'l, ti famm bel le pa la dan'l, si ou pa amrikenn uo pap la dan'l tou.
aristide
- Thursday, February 05, 2004 at 15:45:28 (EST)
Wi Haiti ou ka di sa fo. Ou fout gen rezon, set fwa swasan diset fwa set fwa.
Se Nou Tout
Se Nou Tout
- Thursday, February 05, 2004 at 12:09:59 (EST)
BON... TOUT BON NAN RON, Roch dlo resi konen Doulè roch nan Soley mwen wè Andy Apaid, Baker, Elizabeth Silvera, Tipinawa, Junior Cassis, Michel Martelly, Jacky Ambroise sou beton ap pran solèy tankou pitit bouki lontan sé peyé yo té kon'n peye lamé d'Haiti pou akompli mission yo..OU Wè NEG ARISTIDE SA-A yo pap renmen-l non...Aristide fè moun sa yo fou, Yo priyé nan pié OEA, Yo nan Nasyonzuni, yo nan Whashington, yo en France, Kounie yap priyé nan Pié KARIKOM, yo Kalonen roch sou l'ecole, yo volè Kadav NADMARINAD The New Idea in Haiti is ONE MAN ONE VOTE,kou deta pa ala mod anko...Aristide ap bayo yon leson pou listwa
Haiti
- Thursday, February 05, 2004 at 11:56:59 (EST)
Yes the country can be peaceful if you do not have international countries/organizations paying haitian cronies like the ones that are listed on the list provided by the Haiti Support Group to destabilise the country. What is it there that has made the country famous for violence. If someone is seeing the violent acts caused by Lavalas while ignoring those being committed by the opposition, you do not deem to see well for the country. Ask Smoochees if she has not enjoyed Carnival for the past 2 years? Those of us who have a personal problem with Aristide, why don't you wait after February 7, 2006 to deal with it?
Patriot
Patriot
- Thursday, February 05, 2004 at 08:37:49 (EST)
Anonym23, there are many levels at which an individual can enter into combat if he/she disapproves of what the Lavalas regime is doing. I will personally will boycott any institutions that support this regime; Unibank is one of them, and there are others. We have philosophy enough. In this combat, we must fight all fronts especially which that matters most-MONEY.
By the way, what hell was Aristide talking about when he said something along the line that he has acheived peace? Which country is he living in?
And what did he mean by " we have professionalize the police"?
Pierre Richard
Columbia, MD - Thursday, February 05, 2004 at 07:36:22 (EST)
good job
okomugu <okomugu@yahoo.com>
lome, - Thursday, February 05, 2004 at 07:05:16 (EST)
I LOVE YOU ANNE
Coming soon to Maryland -- More Info later on this week.
?-Do you think that the Valentine Weekend is too soon.
If not - Let me know -I need to give an answer to Miami(asap).
This Haitian movie, staring Joe Zenny "the singer of Konpa Kreyol",Tonton Bicha and Don Kato, was sold out for almost every showing at Cine Imperial and Cine Capitol in 03.
The movie is so funny you will laugh till you drop.
Jean Claude Vivens
Wheaton, MD - Wednesday, February 04, 2004 at 18:29:27 (EST)
Anonym23, go find yourself something good to do. I think you need to clean yourself up. Get up where you sit since you cannot smell it.
Patriot
Patriot
- Wednesday, February 04, 2004 at 16:30:57 (EST)
anonym23
If you receive an email from a prince in Africa proposing to share millions of dollars with you, remember this:
IT'S NOT TRUE !!!!
anonym45
- Wednesday, February 04, 2004 at 16:29:31 (EST)
j'ai recu ce message ce matin .
ATTENTION !!! UNIBANK .
Selon certaines sources émanant directement du régime Lavalas.
Jean Bertrand Aristide serait sur le point de s'accaparer des millions de dollars déposés à la UNIBANK.
Certains ont commencé à retirer leurs économies depuis quelques jours dans les différentes succursales de la capitale.
Le président Aristide contrôle déjà la caisse de la TELECO, des douanes et veut en faire autant avec la UNIBANK.
La sécurité personnelle du président qui coute plus de 4 millions de dollars américain par mois et les paiements faits aux chimères (environ $3.5 millions US par mois) seraient la cause de cet éventuel vol et acte illégal de la part du président Aristide.
Il est possible que les dépositaires de la UNIBANK subissent le même sort que les membres des coopératives qui avaient tout perdu dans la mésaventure.
Avertissez vos parents et amis de changer d'institution bancaire avant qu'il ne soit trop tard.
Anonym23
- Wednesday, February 04, 2004 at 15:45:26 (EST)
Just did
Mobutoo
Stafford, VA - Wednesday, February 04, 2004 at 14:58:21 (EST)
Mobutoo, If possible, please email us at webmaster@echodhaiti.com
webmaster <webmaster@echodhaiti.com>
- Wednesday, February 04, 2004 at 13:45:23 (EST)
Thank you very much for posting that information. I remember way back someone wrote that those groups were being financed by money coming abroad to distabilize the country. Soemone else on the board claimed that it was a lie. I am glad that the truth has come out.
Apali
Apali
- Wednesday, February 04, 2004 at 10:55:32 (EST)
President Aristide will be on CNN tonight around 7:00pm. The theme of his interview is what went wrong? I won't be able to watch him because unfortunately I will be at work . To me it sounds like it's going to be very interesting.I'm eager to see how he is going to present himself and his case to the world. I will need a copy of the interview to buy. A bon entendeur salut !!
Ergo
Lakeridge, Va - Wednesday, February 04, 2004 at 10:34:01 (EST)
La vraie mission des ptits blancs reste la meme; l'esclavagisation des peaux noires, realiser pour et par n'importe quel prix les besognes de leur patrons, assurer la nongouvernance de l'iles en prix de notre independance:
Haiti Support Group press release: European Union funding for members of the Group of 184 - 11 November 2003
As a solidarity organisation formed by, composed of, and supported by, citizens of the European Union, the Haiti Support Group feels it right and proper to put certain information concerning the European Commissions's human rights and democracy budget line for Haiti into the public domain.
We are also motivated by the publication in September of the National Coalition for Haitian Rights policy report, face=Arial color=#606420 Yon Sel Dwet Pa Manje Kalalou: Haiti on the eve of its Bicentennial which contains the following sentence concerning the Group of 184:
"It is not yet clear who finances the group's activities -- whether it receives funding from abroad or if its entire budget comes from its membership or another arrangement altogether."
Thanks to information provided to the Haiti Support Group by the European Commission (EC) staff in Brussels and the EC delegation in Port-au-Prince, we are able to shed some light on this subject:
· The European Commission is co-financing a Human Rights / Democracy project with Haiti's Initiative de la Societe Civile (ISC) group. The European Commission's contribution is 773,000 Euros (US$890,374 at today's exchange rate). The duration of the contract is from 21/12/2001 to 21/12/2003.
· The official recipients of this disbursement are M. Rosny Desroches and the Fondation Nouvelle Haiti. Rosny Desroches is the spokesperson for the Initiative de la Societe Civile. The Fondation Nouvelle Haiti (FNH) is a member of the Initiative de la Societe Civile group.
According to the EC delegation in Port-au-Prince, the reason why the amounts have been disbursed to the FNH and Rosny Desroches, rather than the ISC, is that the ISC had not been officially registered with the Haitian authorities at the time when the grant was authorised.
Regarding funding for the Group of 184:
It is known that Rosny Desroches is head of the Fondation Haitienne de l'Enseignement Prive (FONHEP), and that the FNH is run by M. Andre Apaid Jnr. Both FONHEP and FNH are members of the ISC. All members of the ISC are also members of the Group of 184. Indeed, Andre Apaid Jnr. is the Group of 184's main spokesperson.
According to the EC, M. Desroches and the FNH are charged with disbursing the EC funds to "human rights groups" in Haiti. Fourteen organisations are listed by the EC as among those receiving EC funding via M. Desroches and the FNH. These 14 organisations are:
FNH - Fondation Nouvelle Haiti;
CCIH - Chambre de commerce et d'industrie;
CNEH - Confederation Nationale des educateurs haitiens;
OGITH - Organisation generale independante des travailleurs haitiens;
CRESFED - Centre de Recherche et de Formation Economique et Sociale;
MOUFHED - Mouvement des femmes haitiennes pour l'education et le developpement;
CEDH - Centre oecumenique des droits humains;
Commission Justice et Paix;
Femmes en democratie;
KOP (Coordination des organisations populaires);
CEPRODHD - Centre pour la promotion des droits humains et de la democratie en Haiti;
FPDH - Fondation pour la Promotion des droits de l'homme;
CREDH - Centre de recherche pour le developpement humain;
CED - Collectif pour l'education et le developpement.
The first seven organisations in the above list are members of the Group of 184:
· As we have already mentioned, the FNH is run by Andre Apaid Jnr. - the Group of 184's main spokesperson.
· The head of the CICH, Maurice Lafortune, has also appeared in public as a Group of 184 spokesperson.
· The CNEH and the OGITH are trade unions, both members of the Group of 184.
· The CRESFED is a non-governmental organisation headed by Suzy Castor, a leading member of the Organisation du Peuple en Lutte political party.
· The MOUFHED is a non-governmental organisation headed by Jessie Benoit, a leading member of the Konakom political party.
· The CEDH is a human rights organisation headed by Jean-Claude Bajeux, one of the founders, and a former secretary-general, of the Konakom political party.
The Organisation du Peuple en Lutte and Konakom political parties are members of the Democratic Convergence coalition.
While on the subject of foreign funding for organisations in Haiti, we also note that the United States Agency for International Development (USAID) allocated US$3,050,000 (just over three million dollars) to "civil society, the media, human rights organisations and political parties" for its Government and Democracy programme in Haiti in the fiscal year 2003
Haiti
MD, - Tuesday, February 03, 2004 at 19:11:54 (EST)
By the way guys, I was watching CNN last night and they had some footage of Haiti. CNN will have an interview with Aristide at 7:00 PM ET tomorrow Wednesday 2/4/04.
Mobutoo
Stafford, VA - Tuesday, February 03, 2004 at 15:12:37 (EST)
Just Asking,
It seems that you were never comfortable with your black skin. It must be hard to wake up everyday, look in the mirror and be very sad . Self-hatred must be hard.
Maybe, you can bleach your skin over and over. Who knows,you may find a color that suits you.Or, you may still be uncomfortable since your discomfort lays in your enslaved heart.
Ayisyen
- Tuesday, February 03, 2004 at 08:37:00 (EST)
I personally don't have a problem with caricom interfering in our business.My understand of caricom is that it's the support system of the caribbean nations for any of them that is in trouble.
Let's face it people, we have a country in serious trouble.If your house was flooding or in fire and the neighbors want to help would you be too proud to say YES I NEED HELP,and loose all your belongings.
Today we fell ashamed that other small caribbean nations want to help us, well we did try the big countries (oas-united nations,asian nations etc...) may be caricom can provide an answer because Haiti is "like it or not" a heavy load to the other caribbean nations.
Intelligent people try to see it this way:Let's picture seven brothers living in the same house,six of them go to work every morning seven days a week,trying their best to make it while the other one is always begging for a dollar, begging for roulibe,not going to school,not cleaning his room,not picking up his trash,always ready to fight,not polite to the guests,rude on the phone, and still think he knows it all because he is the older brother born in 1804
Well Haiti,my older brother you full of IT.We the other brothers want to help you because my man you are dying in IT,if we don't do something.
Now proud people do you understand.
On a larger scale would you like to live in a million dollars neighborhood with nice houses,beautiful well cut green grass,luxury automobiles,golf course and ONE ugly crack house next door to yours.Tell me that you will object if the Home Owners Association of your community wants to do something about it.
Think of caricom as such.
Pwazon
Silver Spring, MD - Monday, February 02, 2004 at 18:23:20 (EST)
I see facelessness knows no borders. Anyways, Just asking and Sandra, I will attempt to entertain your questions. You see, having traveled to several different countries including many of the Caribbean islands, I can tell that Haiti shares some similarities but also has her distinctions. Haitian People are very ambitious, we want to elevate Haiti to the ranks of the Japans of the world. We want to rightfully claim our position as a respectable force as we were once a world power. We don't want to be an island where white folks can come and sit back and have some guy name Dexter St Jacques climbs a coconut tree to serve them an nice glass of coconut water, preparing them some jerk chicken or conch fritters. That is not Haiti is all about, we do not want to be known as the "good negroes". As history will reveal, it is not in our blood to entertain white folks as most of the other Carribean island are known for.
We do have some similarities as I have pointed out, there a lot of crimes in Haiti as most other populated countries. For example, Jamaica's crime rate is four times higher than the world rate, Washington Dc is a cool second only to Kingston Jamaica. Trinidad&Tobago are no different. Tokyo is very dangerous city fill with crimes and prostitution.
Haiti is a black country. The Black race has many shades, but we are black and proud. Our incestors fought to elevate the black race and made Haiti the first Black nation in the world, this is an accomplishment that every black person can cherish, yourselves included. The Maroons of Jamaica fought vehimently to elevate blackness. You see we do not have an issue with our beautiful back skin, perhaps you need to see a doctor about your self hatred.
As far as the food we eat, I happen to love my cuisine, one of the best in the world. It's socialization that differ us in some ways. Some group enjoy "pickled pigs feet", some enjoy chitlins and grits, some enjoy roti, while others enjoy something else. The point is, we enjoy what pleases us regardless of other opinions because no one holds a patent on criticism.
We want to clean our trash by ourselves, I am sure that the Caricom members do not have to look far to smell their own trash. It is no accident that Caricom is now an issue in our issues, it's a humiliation tatic by the powers that feel disrespected by the accomplisment of our Hatians ancestors that put us Blacks on the map as humans. You fail to realize that our cause is the same. It is a constant struggle to free the black mind. Just asking and sandra, we are the same, our struggle is the same. Don't to look down on us, we are fighting for you. Lord knows we have issues but helps us by stopping the negative criticism, that all.
I once read that the struggle is a "blessing". Life it self begings with a struggle; millions of sperms, only one survive.
Bye for now.
Pierre R Torchenot
Columbia , MD - Sunday, February 01, 2004 at 10:49:32 (EST)
The First Haitian Baptist Congregation Of Washington DC is located at the corner of Columbia Rd & 16th St NW our mailing address is 1501 Columbia Rd NW Washington DC 20009
Tel 202 332 7510 or 301 384 6245.Worship service is held every sunday from 12:30pm. Come as you are. Everyone is welcome.If you are a resident of Virginia and need more details about our congregation send your email to Ergosumex@yahoo.com Many blessings
Joel
Joel <Ergosumex@yahoo.com>
lakeridge, VA - Sunday, February 01, 2004 at 09:18:32 (EST)
I want to share the following bible verses with our brothers and sisters in the haitian community ,I won't comment on it because its stand is self- evident I believe it will do some good in the mind of quiet a few guests of whom I was privileged to read the expression of their emotions in the light of what's taking place in our dear homeland. If you have have time please read entirely the book of I Samuel.A l'impossible nul n'est tenu; if you don'have time meditate on this: "Celui qui regne parmi les hommes avec justice, celui qui regne dans la crainte de Dieu, est pareil a la lumiere du matin quand le soleil brille et que la matinee est sans nuages; ses rayons apres la pluie font sortir de terre la verdure" II Samuel 23V3&4 .
Ergo
Ergo <Ergosumex@yahoo.com>
Lakeridge, VA - Sunday, February 01, 2004 at 09:02:18 (EST)
The First Haitian Baptist Congregation Of Washington DC is located at the corner of Columbia Rd & 16th St NW at the National Memorial Baptist Church. Our mailing address is 1501 Columbia Rd NW Washington DC, 20009 .Tel 202 332 7510 or 301 384 6245
Worship Service is held every sunday from 12:30 pm . Come as you are , everyone is welcome.If you live in Virginia and need more details about our congregation send your emai to Ergosumex@yahoo.com . Many blessings
Ergo <Ergosumex@yahoo.com>
Lakeridge, VA - Sunday, February 01, 2004 at 08:18:31 (EST)
Just asking and Sandra, out curiosity, where are you from?
Pierre R Torchenot
Columbia, MD - Saturday, January 31, 2004 at 16:52:58 (EST)
Just asking, this is the first statement that makes sense in this site for so long. I had to write. Thank you very much for posting it. You see Caricom Leaders are trying to teach haitians how to become cvilized and address issues, the haitians who are the first to be independent.
Thank you very much Just Asking. I hope they provide you with some answers.
Sandra
Sandra
- Saturday, January 31, 2004 at 16:07:26 (EST)
Thank you "Just Asking" for your questions. Could you clarify couple things for me. Are you referring to all Haitians in questions 1 to 7? How do you define "Civilized". I am sure someone will give you valid answers to your questions but unfortunately I do not have the answers for I don't feel the way you think about Haitians....Finally, if you "dislike your beautiful black skin", don't blame it on Haitians. The "beautiful black skin" does not belong on someone as shallow as you. I suggest that remove any trace of that black skin by any means necessary and that you distance yourself from Haitians.
Mobutoo
Stafford, VA - Saturday, January 31, 2004 at 16:03:09 (EST)
1-WhY do Haitians only cook rice and beans, frie pork and goat at a party. Is these the especially of the Haitian cuisine?
2-Why do Haitians always want to kill their presidents? Why can Haitians govern themselves? Why Haitians always put the blame on US instead of on themselves?
3-Why Haitians always use violence to settle up political differences?
4-Why can Haitians live with peace and harmony just like any other nations in the Caribbean?
Why must Haitians throwing rocks at each other? Why do you love to protest? instead of going to the mountains of Haiti grow food to feed themselves they are in Port-au-Prince asking for the removal of their elected officials as if the govt should give them money and foods.
6-Why you Haitians act as civilized people when you are outside of Haiti while you act as if you were a remote tribe in the jungle of Africa when in Haiti?
7 Why 2 or more groups of Haitians fighting to get control of the govt. as if they were tigers fighting for territory.
You Haitians make me dislike my beautiful black skin. Always fighting each other for no reasons. The white colons took you out of Africa but they couldn't get the savage tribe out of your system.
Shame on you.
Just asking
- Saturday, January 31, 2004 at 15:32:58 (EST)
Everyone on the board, please, let's stop the nonsense. First of all, I believe that the board is not here for anybody or anyone in particular to get personal. Whatever one does with his/her personal life is nobody's business. Therefore, if one can't be positive or civilized and intelligent on the board, just don't offer your input, instead, learn from people who do research and who want to be positive. It takes intelligent and civilized people to have a decent debate, especially on the board. It would be a shame for a foreign person to check this board out and see that kind of uglyness going on. Then, they will really say no wonder haiti has never been stable, because, we can't even get it together (not everyone on the board) on echo d'haiti.
Le Plus Haut
White Oak, Md - Friday, January 30, 2004 at 22:00:54 (EST)
Jean,
All my life I have been the subject of gossips, so this is nothing new. You know better than anyone {EDITED BY WEBMASTER}. You also know that I do not concern myself with the opinions of others, especially the malicious ones. Supermix is a super coward. Just the other day I was at your house and read a quote by Shakespear and it goes "Cowards die many times before their deaths". Frankly, I am not going to ask the staff of Echodhaiti.com to remove his comments about me, let it be the testemony about the Lavalas venom that we been proving time and time again.
Pwazon, the more they gossip the more blessed I am.
Pierre R Torchenot
Columbia , MD - Friday, January 30, 2004 at 21:27:11 (EST)
Mezanmi, m rekonèt dwa tout moun pou pataje opinyon yo. Men, sa pa vle di nou sipoze bay manti, di nenpòt tenten paske nou gen dwa.
NOn, se pat"blan" ki te ba nou Aristid. Se pèp ayisyen ki te chwazi Aristid.65%. Yon pousantaj Georges Busch, Blair elatriye ta renmen genyen. Malerezman, Aristid pa reyisi gouvène peyi a. DEpi l monte, lelit tout koulè a, lelit souse zo a planifye, finanse yon koudeta sèt mwa apre pèp ayisyen chwazi lidè l. Aristid tounen prezidan paske pèp la an Ayiti kòm nan dyaspora te sipòte l. Aristid tounen paske te gen yon ti gout chans ki tap souri ak li tou. Men, lè l tounen, tèt chaje. Li tèlman aksepte kondisyon, li tounen yon lòt moun.Sa te tèlman vre li retire wòch'transparans" lan.JIstis, bèkèkè. Koripsyon, se kanaval.Lè Aristid 2 retounen, li bay opozisyon ki pa kanpe sou anyen opòtinite pou ba l pwoblèm. Pati Aristid genyen 2/3 nan eleksyon pou senatè anvan eleksyon Aristid 2. OEA di pati Aristid la pat gen yen yon "absolute marjority(51%) pou lòt tyè a. Sa vle di yo te sipoze ale nan dezyèm tou. Men, Pati Aristide la refize. Yo di yo se granmoun tèt yo. Lòt nasyon pa ka di yo sa pou yo fè. KOunye a, poukisa Aristid pral Jamayik? Poukisa, Aristid ap resevwa delegasyon etranje, POukisa Aristid vle fè eleksyon li pat vle fè yo, si li se granmoun? Podyab. men, se erè sa ki vi n met gwoup 184, konvèjans alamòd. OPozisyon te tèlman pat kanpe sou anyen, li te mande pou Aristid rete sou pouvwa a pou dezan paske yo konnen, dapre konstitisyon an, Aristid t ap oblije tann setan ankò. Kidonk, opozisyon t ap evite fè fas ak popilarite Aristid.
Franchman, m ta renmen yon lòt moun dirije peyi a. M ta rele anmwe si se yon moun nan 184 oubyen konvèvèjans ki jiska prezan pa gen plan pou Ayiti. Tout pwogram yo se pou yo debarase de Aristid po yo ka kontinye koripsyon ak lenjistis. Poukis yo pa brav menmjan ak Aristid? Nou sonje diktati divalye san divalye a. Malgre te gen ensekirite, Aristid prezante l nan eleksyon. Anpil san koule,anpil manman pitit kriye. Kanmenm pèp la swiv li epi mete l sou chèz prezidan. Poukisa,pa gen yon moun nan opozisyon an ki brav konsa. Eske se paske yo pa popilè?
Aba Opozisyon, Aba konvèjans,Aba koudeta, Aba konsansis ti gwoup, Aba Aristid!Sa se pozisyon m. Men se pa dwa m pou m chanje prezidan.Sa se dwa pèp ayisyen an ki gen ladan l Aristid, gwoup 184, konvèjans, ak 6 milyon 997 mil moun.Aristid chaje ak moun dèyè l. Si Popilarite l diminye, li toujou popilè.Ak tout popilarite sa a, li dwe fè konpromi pou rezoud kriz sa a. Opozisyon gen moun, men yo pa gen fòs ase, yo pa popilè ase pou yo jete Aristid nan bon kondisyon. Yo dwe chita ak Aristid pou fè konpromi pou rezoud kriz sa a.si se vre se enterè peyi a a yo wè, yo ta negosye. Non, yo pito plede koz yo bay etranje. Alatraka.
M ale.
Ayisyen
- Friday, January 30, 2004 at 21:00:26 (EST)
SuperMix,
I am in the obligation to let this slide because you are a faceless coward. If you had made yourself known, you would have to hear from our lawyer for defamation of character.
Pierre has made comments here that are controversial; however, he along with other people have elevated the forum to a level that may prove to be useful to us, haitians, who for the most part cannot accept criticism.
This is a forum where people debate public issues not a place to attack people personnally. In that regard, i respectfully ask Echodhaiti to remove the comments made by SuperMix.
SuperMix, I understand your frustration. This is the level at which you can interface. It is unfortunate that these comments are not needed and cannot move our community in the direction we would like it to go. I encourage you to educate yourself, then your brain will be capable of producing ideas that go beyond food, sleep, gossip etc.
Jean Torchenot
Columbia, MD - Friday, January 30, 2004 at 20:27:58 (EST)
Super Mix cut the B.S, the man already tell you that you are a punk. What the hell you are talkink to the man about drugs,who the hell knows you or your activities, what the hell are you super mixing.You sound so , {EDITED BY WEBMASTER}may be you are mixing some "you know what" up your "you know what". {EDITED BY WEBMASTER}
Conversations sou board la dépasse'w sé sak fè wap attaké moune ki ap baye commentè yo sou "san sal" kap krazé péyi ya. {EDITED BY WEBMASTER}.
Pwazon
Silver Spring, MD - Friday, January 30, 2004 at 20:13:50 (EST)
I noticed that each time someone is alluding to the truth, there is always an attempt to resort to identfying the person so as to avoid the issue. Pierre, you know dman well what I am talking about. Do not try to avoid it. {EDITED BY WEBMASTER}. I am glad that some us have stopped even though some others were caught. Pierre, do not look for excuses. It is just another chapter in life. But do not be so hypocritical towards others and without any proof.
SuperMix
SuperMix
SuperMix
- Friday, January 30, 2004 at 17:31:38 (EST)
Le plus Haut, I would not call the aftermath of Aristide departure " a civil war" I would rather call it a "civil unrest," something like the mishaps of 1986. One my favotite channel on television is Discovery. Have you ever seen a group of hungry lionesses setting a stage for a kill, notice I said lionesses not lions, they are usually to lazy and the females do all the work and want to eat first. Anyways, but a group of Hyenas are even hungrier and want to steal or spoil their counterparts efforts. These two groups of beasts would kill and devour a gazelle out greed and hatred for each other. This metaphor is not far fetched from Haiti's current situation. I don't which group I would as the lions and which as the hyenas, but one thing is certain, we must not sit and watch as if this was a jungle and the law of only the strong survive.
Pierre R Torchenot
Columbia, MD - Friday, January 30, 2004 at 17:26:18 (EST)
"Arguing about politics seems to be a favorite Haitian pastime"
Lol, so true.
Mapswiv, I've never made a positive reference pertaining to the Convergence. I don't recognize them as an official organization defending the well being of Haitians or otherwise.
To address your questions, I am not a political analyst by any means, like "let's make a change" said:Arguing about politics is an Haitian favorite past time. In his departure speech, Ambassador Duncan addressed his peers in a speech where he gave Haitians some advice. He expressed that Haiti has competent children all over the world and she should turn to them for help. I concur with his reasoning, I beleive that Haiti produces some of the brightest people anywhere, and that we don't need the Prime Minister of Jamaica to resolve Haiti's affairs.
It will take Map swiv, Love for my people, even SuperMIX, if you guys have a spot left for me than, PR. It will take different views and abilities to accomplish the much needed change.
Now, I was going to ignore this Supermix dude because he seems superconfused. You seem to confuse the meaning of gossiping with something else. I don't gossip of this board. I present information as they are availble to me with it's source. It is not rocket science to understand content of your post. If I am a drug dealer than so be it. You just need to figure out what you need to do instead attacking my character while you hiding. Besides, not considering you a peer in my circle, not filling you up on my daily life hardly constitutes me as a drug dealer. If were to call you something degrading, than you would know that Pierre Richard said. I would not take cheap shot at you and call myself supermix. I will not address you or respond to you anymore until you can identify yourself. Gossip is an ugly thing dude, especially for a man.
Pierre R Torchenot
Columbia , MD - Friday, January 30, 2004 at 16:55:05 (EST)
One thing that I don't understand is opposition to Aristid say that Aristide is the reason for Haiti's misery. My questions are Is Aristide the reason you left Haiti? And was there not misery before Aristide?
Think about it If Haiti was so great before then we would be there. What we need to do is work together and stop the blaming!!
Lets Make A Change!!!!
MD - Friday, January 30, 2004 at 14:47:27 (EST)
Map Swiv, I'm with you on those two questions, I bet you if Aristide leaves office today, however way it happens, forcibly or not, there will be a civil war. Let me explain, it will be not only between the opposition and the rest of lavalas left behind, also between the members of the opposition. The fact of the matter remains that, however way you look at it, everybody is out for their own gain within the opposition, where you will see them fighting for the best position that there is to make sure their pockets are largely satisfied. Therefore, whether Aristide is there or not, it's history repeat itself, which means: "MSPA" (MIN-M SALOPRI PASE AVAN).
Le Plus Haut
White Oak, Md - Friday, January 30, 2004 at 13:40:09 (EST)
I am a Haitian-American and all my life I have seen Haitians argue about politics. Arguing about politics seems to be a favorite Haitian pastime. But one thing I never here about are solutions the problem in Haiti is not Aristide or the Lavalas party. The problem is that Haitians are always critics but how many of you have actually tried to make a change in Haiti? Haiti's government has been unstable since 1804 after the revolution. Our own revolution even though I have always been proud that we were the first black republic was the beginnings of this whole mess. Haitians have a need for absolute power and thrive on greed they don't support the country but in general care about themselves. I really hope the new generation can change all the problems created by the older generations. I think that the older generations of Haitians are too emotional about the country Haiti needs to be looked at like a business. Haiti and the people of Haiti have so much potential look at the contributions that we have made in the world as immigrants. STOP BLAMING AND UNITE FOR SOLUTIONS AND CHANGE.
Lets Make A Change!!!!!
MD - Friday, January 30, 2004 at 10:17:57 (EST)
You all miss a lot of the points. No where on this board have I ever come and said that I was a Aristide "supporter" or not.
THAT'S THE PROBLEM WITH HAITIAN POLITICS.
Because I raise a question or I may support an action by the gov't that doesn't mean that I am a "supporter" of that gov't. I can criticize Bush in Iraq, but support his Education plan. Does that mean I'm Republican or Democrat.
We need to learn to exchange ideas and to get away from this thinking of all or nothing. We can learn to say that we agree with the Opposition about human right abuses, but don't agree with their method of resolving it. We agree with the diagnosis, but not the medecine.
THAT DOES NOT MEAN THAT I SUPPORT ONE OR THE OTHER.
PR, you have good information, but I question your reasoning. We need to look at the next step:
(if you or anyone else wants to, Please finish these next two sentences)
If Aristide resigns and goes to exile, then... [what do you see in the 'immediate" future for Haiti]
If Aristide is overthrown (forcibly), then... [what do you see in the 'immediate" future for Haiti]
map swiv
- Friday, January 30, 2004 at 09:22:28 (EST)
I think you all have gotten it wrong. Aristide is not the problem. instead "haitian" in general is the problem. Also, I see alot of you are making a lot of accusations. Some of you have accused Aristide of being involved in drug activities. what struck me the most are the people making those accusations. For example, if {EDITED BY WEBMASTER}. I live here in Columbia. Some of you ought to look at yourself in a mirror before making those statements. Many of us know what is going on in the community.
SuperMix
SuperMix
- Friday, January 30, 2004 at 09:09:19 (EST)
Apa nou pa konpran'n an yen nan an yen
Ni Aristide ni convergence se men'm malpropté yo wi.
Gadé bien toute moune ki nan Tète convergence la, sé moune ki fè vi yo ap rélé viv TITID,moune ki tap mangé lagen shango a wi, ki tap bwè san pèp la wi, sé yo wi jodi a ki ap di ABAS.
Sé pou jodi pou yo di vive Cédras, vive Lafontan, vive Bolieu, paské se moune sa yo ki té wé loin,et ki té toujou kon'n di NON à lavalasse
Sé pa ni K- Plim, ni criminel lavalasse Danny Toussaint, ni ancien jige lavalasse, ancien sénatè lavalasse,ancien profésè lavalasse Paquiot ki té kon'n fèmen faculté pou titid,ni Lolo ki compozé anpil chanté au profit de lavalasse,et ki guen madam li Manzè ki tap kalé wess nan ministè anvironman alé nan travail lè li vlé,touché kan mème paské frè li sé minis anvironmam lavalasse.
Pa kité ancien souf lan tiou Aristide lavalasse fatra ki pou ap vini mandé pèp Washington pou édé yo rélé chalbari devan anbassade ancien patron yo wa. Sé pou yo continié valé fatra, sé pa jodi ya pou yo ap rélé anmwé FATRA YO A TRO SANTI, sé té an 90-94- 2000 pou yo té rélé.SE PA JODI YA POU SE MOUNE SA YO KI SE L'OPOZISYION- SE PA VRE- SE PA FOUT VRE
SE POU MOUNE WASHINGTON TE FOUTT KEK KOUTT PIE NAN TIOU SOUF LAN TIOU SA YO.
GOUPE 184 = 184 VACABONS
LAVALASSE = FATRA
RESULTA = VACABONS SOU FATRA
FATRA SA A, SE FATRA YO LI YE
NOU PAP RANMASE'L
C'EST CE MESSAGE QUE NOUS DEVONS FORMULER AU PEUPLE HAITIENS.GRANDS,PETITS- RICHES ET PAUVRES
IL N'EXISTE PAS UNE VRAIE OPPOSITION.
Il n'y a que des révoqués révoltés.Des dealers qui se battent pour le controle de la douane et des criminels qui cherchent un abris avant le levé du soleil.
yo toute sé men'm yo men'm nan. DES MALANDRINS.
Pwazon
Silver Spring, MD - Thursday, January 29, 2004 at 21:41:22 (EST)
9-11-87 yal dèyè Aristide nan Saint Jean Bosco, Decembre 90 Lafontant deklare sou ABC en Anglais " Nou pap kite ti nèg sa-a prezidan nou Paka kite sa fèt" yon mwa pita li poze main sou palè ya aprè eleksyon fin fèt,Septembre 90 explozyon Bomb nan Ave Panamericaine Petion-Ville pou yo te Tué Kandida Aristide, Septembre 91 kou deta pou mete Aristide deyò aprè premié eleksyon onèt nan peyi ya, plus de 5000 moun mouri, Ayisyen mange mange bliye ou nou soufri Amnigia
Mwen
- Thursday, January 29, 2004 at 18:17:20 (EST)
PR...mwen devan wi....Eske'w deye'm?....LOL
smoochees
- Thursday, January 29, 2004 at 15:20:37 (EST)
Smooch, carnival is around the corner...
Pierre R Torchenot
Columbia , - Thursday, January 29, 2004 at 13:33:49 (EST)
"Let's say we agree on Aristide being the problem, what about the fact that we "made our bed, we must lie in it"
Please don't say thing like that anymore! You sound like you're one headache away from being "The Incredible Hulk"
"What about bringing Aristide to international court? where he, like Saddam (off subject, I know), can be judged for his alledge crimes."
There is no oil reserves in Haiti...
Once we stand agaisnt those things and start producing, only then will people, group or business, stop portraying haitians as"sauvages, barbares."
The president's job is to move the country forward, not to create chimere, to encourage racial conflicts.
No truer words have ever been spoken here, Anonym.
Pierre R Torchenot
Columbia, MD - Thursday, January 29, 2004 at 13:26:31 (EST)
"Yo te mande ARISTIDE en 94, blan ba yo ARISTIDE so se pou li fout kroke nan gòg yo."
This is what someone said to me and when you really think about it, it's a true statement. Banm la pe tet mwen ak koze aristide sa. Nou strese tet nou nan yon sel pawol. Nou pa bouke? Sak pi red la tout pale anpil sa yo for NADA. Anyen serye nou pap regle.
TWIIIIIPPPPPP!!!
smoochees
- Thursday, January 29, 2004 at 13:22:17 (EST)
"However, that is not what you and alot like you have been reporting."
In the name of fairness, Map Swiv, you're right. I could count on the fingers of one of my hands, I would have most of fingers uncounted, that's how many times that I have posted anything in favor of Lavalas or Aristide. The sole reason behind that is because there isn't many good things Lavalas and Aristide have done. Please free to make a liar out of me, eventhough one might argue that this fairly relative, I am still interested in hearing your counter argument.
"Also, maybe we are supporters of a process, meaning a gov't is elected and doesn't do what we, the people, want it to do, then that gov't must be held accountable for it's acts and actions. Meaning: Do not reelect him or her, or anyone him or her endorses,"
I have heard this point countless times on this board. I have heard: "Why can't an election hold in Haiti? ' He must finish his term because he was elected through a democratic process'". Richard Nixon, the 37th American President, resigned from his presidency after his was impeached as a result of the Watergate scandal. More recently, Bill Clinton, the 41st American President, almost suffered a similar fate because he lied about receiving special favors(b10w j0&)from some chick. If we want to talk about democracy we can look at the paradigm of democracy-USA. Aristide's name has been involved in dope peddling to murder and everything in between. Aristide's at one time confidants: King Kino, Danny Toussaint, Jacques Ketan, Dr Prince Pierre Sonson,Amiot Metayer, all have come out and call foul play. So why should this election hold? Even if all these accusations were lies, it is now evident that Lavalas does not have a formula for Haiti and has driven this country to the worst it has ever been.
"PR, since you feel that Lavalas and Convergence must go: please be a little more balance in your "reporting"
point me to where on this board you've been equally critical of the opposition as you've been of the current gov't"
I am yet to see a picture from a credible source: Yahoo.com,AP, Reuters,ect. depicting the convergence misdeeds. And besides, who is the convergence anyways? Are they elected officials? As far as I concern they are a group that isn't doing anything progressive besides being instigative.
Pierre R Torchenot
Columbia, MD - Thursday, January 29, 2004 at 13:04:55 (EST)
Map swiv,
Do not worry about how i name myself just like I will not worry about your name. Talk about real issue. Remember, you call yourself map swiv to hide your identity, which is the same technique i use here. Your are as anonymous as i am here.
I am not against the fact that Aristide was elected he should finish his time. My problem, and frankly it should be your problem unless you have something to gain by the actual situation, Aristide cannot and should not be allowed to continue to treat people the way he is doing it now. It is time for us haitians to stop allowing people to do whatever they want we us. I am an educated man, it is against my being to allow people to treat me anyway they want. I am for a people that respect others and get respect back. Remember, it started when Aristide was in power the first time, people openly declared now they have the right to talk, touch, and beat anyone they wanted. Aristide has institutionalized le vagabondage dans le pays. We as a people must stand against these practices. Once we stand agaisnt those things and start producing, only then will people, group or business, stop portraying haitians as"sauvages, barbares."
Stop supporting someone who is not producing. Stop supporting someone who is not doing his job. The president's job is to move the country forward, not to create chimere, to encourage racial conflicts. You have the right to be for Aristide, but have the courage to help him do something, that way you will be able to tell me, the president has done this or that. You cannot make a list of accomplishments that Aristide has achieved that will prove he has the level to do the job he signed up for.
Anonym
- Thursday, January 29, 2004 at 12:45:58 (EST)
anonym,
by the way, get a little more creative with your name. Really.. people have gotten real creative here so please follow...
as to your comments, I agree with the gov't is the most visible and therefor the target. Let's say we agree on Aristide being the problem, what about the fact that we "made our bed, we must lie in it." What about getting rid of Aristide by using the Constitutional Laws to remove a president? What about bringing Aristide to international court? where he, like Saddam (off subject, I know), can be judged for his alledge crimes.
What about judging him in Haitian court, and I do mean judge-Not Lynch Mob, judge, as in facts, witnesses, jury, law, etc...
What about rewriting the Constitution in order not to get another "Aristide." What about the next guy? who? Apaid? Toussaint (senator)? or gal, Mildred? How do we prevent the country from falling into that same senario five years or ten years from now?
That's what we should be talking about. Removing Aristive is not going to solve Haiti's economy, Haiti's Human rights abuses, Haiti's intollerance.
We will and our children will be having the same discussion, unless we start building a future instead of patching the present.
[sorry EchodHaiti, I took too long]
map swiv
- Thursday, January 29, 2004 at 12:17:41 (EST)
Map swiv,
The main reason why the opposition is not talked about much is because Aristide is seen as the source of the problem. If the opposition were running the country, then people would concentrate around what it is doing. This is the same when Aristide was coming up. He was behind a bunch of things that people never mentioned, this is because the government in place was the common ennemy at the time.
I can appreciate the fact that people need to balance their view, however, the group in power will always get much of the coverage and for good reasons. I beleive that if Aristide wanted to change things for the better, he could have w/o much troubles. We already witnessed how quickly he changed things for the worst. It was never in Aristide intention to establish a state of law in the country, this was clear when he said to his people: Nous ne voulons pas la majorité, mais la totalité. Aristide is a totalitarian, but the big problem is he is not versed in how to develop a country. This is the difference between him and Castro in my view.
Anonym
- Thursday, January 29, 2004 at 12:01:33 (EST)
PR, agree that Aristide's "government" must be held accountable for the welfare of the country and her people. However, that is not what you and alot like you have been reporting.
1. "you must be supporters of the regime" why-because we disagree with you? Also, maybe we are supporters of a process, meaning a gov't is elected and doesn't do what we, the people, want it to do, then that gov't must be held accountable for it's acts and actions. Meaning: Do not reelect him or her, or anyone him or her endorses, pass new laws to stop future disappointments. [the Democrats(replace with Convergence or Group 184) have a chance b/c the people are not happy with the current Republican president(replace with Lavalas or Pres. Aristide)] THAT'S THE PROCESS...
PR, since you feel that Lavalas and Convergence must go: please be a little more balance in your "reporting"
point me to where on this board you've been equally critical of the opposition as you've been of the current gov't.
map swiv
- Thursday, January 29, 2004 at 10:42:38 (EST)
My new year DETERMINATION for HAITI
FIVE POWERS THAT WE POSSESS to change our beloved republic of HAITI
Each person to stand up on thier own, self-reliant in FAITH.
The great human revolution of one person will lead to the creation of boundless joy for both oneself and others
and the expansion of a beautiful garden of peace and hope around the globe
Unrestricted present cause for our future happiness.
• Faith for a harmonious family.
Members, friends, and community
• Faith for each person to become happy
Awaken to our mission for change Haiti
• Faith for surmounting obstacles.
The necessary ingredient for understanding victory
• Faith for health and a long life.
Good health and living a long life enables you to carry our your mission
• Faith for absolute victory.
Must have absolute confidence in your prayer to achieve absolute victory.
The evil twin within……has unfaithful belief.
Jean Zephir <jean@ejzdesign.com>
Silver Spring, MD - Thursday, January 29, 2004 at 08:24:59 (EST)
FIVE POWERS THAT WE POSSESS, is base on our FAITH
and the desire to change our beloved HAITI
Unrestricted present cause for our future happiness.
• Faith for a harmonious family.
Members, friends, and community
• Faith for each person to become happy
Awaken to our mission
• Faith for surmounting obstacles.
The necessary ingredient for understanding victory
• Faith for health and a long life.
Good health and living a long life enables you to carry our your mission
• Faith for absolute victory.
Must have absolute confidence in our prayer to achieve absolute victory.
The evil twin within……has unfaithful belief.
jean Zephir <jean@ejzdesign.com>
Silver spring, MD - Thursday, January 29, 2004 at 08:13:24 (EST)
Cruising into History Project ? a unique historical event
Recently, in an article written in « The Black Commentator », Randall Robinson, former head of TransAfrica said the
following : " Not only must we not forget the Haitian Revolution, we must celebrate it. Today, through all of this, its
bicentennial year, and beyond.
And we must research, understand, and expose what happened to Haiti and in Haiti since the revolution. We must
become fully conversant with the role of "the world’s leading democracies" in Haiti between 1804 and today…."
Indeed, the Haitian Revolution of 1804 remains the only successful slave revolution in the history of the world, and
that is why Randall Robinson’s statement rings so true and must be publicized in every corner of the world. The
Haitian Revolution transcends the borders of Haiti as we look at its impact on the rest of Latin America and on the
policies of the slaveowning countries. Haiti paid a terrible price for having dared to challenge the hegemony of countries like
France, England, the United States and others. And this is why it is important to commemorate the Bicentennial of this
revolution and to view it in its proper perspective: a historical event of transcendent importance for the world historical
heritage and for Haitians in particular.
In a statement issued on December 30, 2003, Actor and human rights activist Danny Glover and Ron Daniels,
Executive Director of the Center for Constitutional Rights and Chairman of the Haiti Support Project said that , "As
friends of Haiti, our commitment is not to a person, a particular President, government or political party but to the
masses of Haitian people. We choose to commemorate this extraordinary event to educate our people and the world
about the tragedies and triumphs of the past as a basis for preparing a brighter future for Haiti and the Haitian people in the
21st century."
This could not be said more eloquently. That is why the "Cruising into history Project " launched by Ron Daniels
becomes so important to realize. All preparations are proceeding as planned to reach the goal which is "to extend the
celebration/commemoration well into 2004".
Do not miss this unique, once-in-a-lifetime event. Hurry to register as time is running out. For information, please call
Jean Zéphyr at (301) 585-0946. HSP DC Committee, Visit our website at www.cruisingintohistory.org Media
requests should go to Joia Jefferson Nuri, 301-920-0670.
Jean Zephir <jean@ejzdesign.com>
Silver Spring, MD - Thursday, January 29, 2004 at 07:48:12 (EST)
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Silver Spring, MD - Thursday, January 29, 2004 at 06:56:19 (EST)
Ladies, calm down! Every time somebody mention the name Aristide, the board becomes something like a Wilderbeast stampede in the Serengeti National Park. Aristide is the sworn in President of Haiti, therefore he is one to be held accountable for welfare of Haiti and Haitians. It is now clear that the Lavalas regime does not hold a solution to the "Haitian Crisis". I can see a lot of you are fanatics of the current regime. The fact remains the Lavalas along with Convergence must go, because they are destroying the land. Haiti has never been worst in her entire existence.
Pierre R Torchenot
Columbia, MD - Wednesday, January 28, 2004 at 23:06:14 (EST)
As you see these pictures, keep this in mind: what happens if a funeral becomes a protest march (without prior permission) and starts heading for the National Palace (or White House).
Should there be police to protect the palace? Since, they had to knowledge of the protest.
anonym 5, or maybe 6
- Wednesday, January 28, 2004 at 21:01:54 (EST)
Folks, judge for yourself. The problem with Haitian "discussion" is that we talk alot of sh&*t with no back up. We don't ask for proof, we just accept or reject
Here's what PR should have done. Please check out this link to Paris Match that has the picture that he describes.
http://www.parismatch.com/site/affiche_article.php?id_art=804
map swiv
- Wednesday, January 28, 2004 at 20:23:21 (EST)
This is getting ridiculous... If you don't like Aristide, you will find stories, pictures, jokes, to prove your point. And vice versa. How many pictures can be found of Opposition people harassing and killing innocent people. No one side will win over anyone from the other side.
So, Let's talk solutions and laws.
Folks - Short of "Aristide must go!" what solutions do you see? How can we make sure we're not here again 2 or 3 yrs from now, talking "Apaid must go!"
Michel
Arlington, VA - Wednesday, January 28, 2004 at 20:03:44 (EST)
A few hours ago I received an email from an Echodhaiti.com fam member and a beloved brother. The email title is " Funerailles". In it, is obviously a picture of a dead man named Maxime Desalmour in a coffin. What wasn't so obvious however, is a picture of policemen with weapons dressing like the most sophisticated SWAT team money can put together, harrasing protestors carrying the coffin of their dead fellow student. Now I wasn't shocked or anything, especially with current situation. However, I couldn't help but remember the infamous Serge Beaulieu once said " nap mande pou Aristid ou la mort, yap ba nou Aristid et la mort". His words are nothing short of being a prophecy. I am not trying to be humourous or anything along that along that line, but it seems unfair that group of people who shed their blood for Aristide to put him where is now is the same group whose blood is still sheding, only this time they are on the other side of the fence. Be careful what you wish for, you just might get it.
Maxime, rest in peace. You blood will not shed in vain. The chemically imbalanced Aristide is on his way out
Pierre R Torchenot
columbia, md - Wednesday, January 28, 2004 at 18:16:24 (EST)
Mezanmi poukisa Haiti democracy project pa di Apaid kite lekol ouve nan potoprins. Di chime li yo sispan voye woch sou lekol yo, sou ti moun yo, sispan boule lekol, sispan kraze zafe ti machan yo, sispan kraze vit machin moun. Apaid banou ou ti chans.
Boirond
Boirond
- Monday, January 26, 2004 at 14:08:42 (EST)
M pa tande Smoochees. Kè m sote! Lè m pa wè Smoochees,kè m pa kontan. Se Smoochees atire m la a. Smoochees, di yon mo, souple.
M pa anonym non.
- Monday, January 26, 2004 at 10:14:11 (EST)
Plusieurs milliers de personnes ont manifesté de nouveau ce vendredi à Port-au-Prince, pour plaider en faveur du fonctionnement normal des écoles et des facultés à travers le pays et en faveur du respect du mandat constitutionnel du président Aristide.
Cette manifestation mise en branle devant l'Eglise du Perpétuel Secours dans le quartier populaire du Bel-air, a été réalisée à l'initiative de plueieurs organisations d'étudiants, d'enseignants, d'élèves, d'organisations socio-professionnelles et Populaires.
Les manifestants ont une nouvelle fois dénoncé les responsables la plateforme des 184 qui veulent ont-ils dit, empêcher les écoles de fonctionner au moyen d'actes de vioelence.
L'un des responsables de cette colaition politique, Josué mérilein, avait cité nommément lundi un ensemble d'écoles privées, congréganistes et internationales qui ne doivent pas fonctionner, a-t-il dit, sous peine de représailles, jusqu'au renversement des autorités constitutionnelles.
Un autre responsable de l'opposition, Evans paul, avait appelé pour sa part, à la fermeture des écoles et des hopitaux.
4 écoles ont été incendiées et plusieurs autres lapidées, depuis le lancement de la campagne dite anti-éducation.
Anonym4
- Monday, January 26, 2004 at 10:08:06 (EST)
MEDIA ALERT
HAITI SOLIDARITY RALLY TO BE HELD IN FRONT OF
HAITIAN EMBASSY TO PROTEST VIOLENCE
WHEN: JANUARY 30, 2004
WHERE: EMBASSY OF HAITI, 2311 Massachusetts Ave, Washington, DC
RALLY WILL FINISH AT SHERIDAN CIRCLE (one block from the Embassy)
TIME: 11:30 AM to 3 PM
CONTACT: Terry Thielen, Haiti Democracy Project, 202-258-3364, terry@haitipolicy.org
Arielle Jean-Baptiste, Haiti Democracy Project, 202-588-8700, arielle@haitipolicy.org
Throughout the country, Haitians are stepping out to denounce President Aristide as a despot leading their homeland farther down the path of total economic collapse, poverty, corruption and repression. Students, democratic activists and average citizens are daily attacked with machetes, guns and other weapons by the Haitian National Police (HNP) and pro-Aristide thugs at demonstrations demanding an end to Jean-Bertrand Aristide’s dictatorial regime. At least 46 people have been killed in the violence, and more than 100 wounded since December 2003.
The Haiti Solidarity Rally seeks to support the Haitian people with a call for an end to violence and human rights abuses perpetrated by the Aristide regime and urge international support for a democratic alternative to the current leadership. This will be the first rally in Washington since 1994, when Aristide was returned to Haiti by the United States.
Invited speakers include:
Prof. Pierre Paquiot, Rector of the State University of Haiti. Mr. Paquiot’s legs were broken by HNP during an attack on the university campus Dec. 5, 2003. He is currently receiving medical treatment in New Orleans.
Jean-Robert Faveur, former police chief in Haiti, forced to flee the country after resisting government control and interference of police operations.
Claudy Gassant, Haitian judge forced to flee the country for investigating suspects close to the Aristide regime in the case of slain journalist and Aristide critic, Jean Dominique.
Lolo Beaubrun, lead singer of Boukman Experyans, under threat from the Aristide regime for his pro-democracy stance.
Yvelt, Chery, former Haitian senator from 1995-2001.
Amb. Lawrence A. Pezzullo, special envoy to Haiti from 1993-94 and HDP board member.
The Haiti Solidarity Rally is co-sponsored by the Haiti Democracy Project, Haitian American Nationalists for Democracy (HANDS), League of Overseas Haitian Young Professionals (LIJEHC), and the Agency for the Development of Haiti. It is endorsed by the Coalition in Solidarity with the Haitian People, based in Miami and Groupe de Reflexion in New York.
-end-
Arielle Jean-Baptiste <arielle@haitipolicy.org>
Washington, DC - Sunday, January 25, 2004 at 11:38:01 (EST)
This anonymous business is getting out of hand. I thought almost everyone was anonymous.
anonym3
- Sunday, January 25, 2004 at 08:33:08 (EST)
Anonym, Mwen sonje ki jan Opozisyon wan tap pase Caricom nan tintin paske yo se ban'n ti diplomat noir, yo te menm di ke OEA te tro fèb pou rezoud kriz la se L'ONU ki dwe pran sa en main, Kounie ya ya bo pié CARICOM Ala HEIN
Anonym2
- Saturday, January 24, 2004 at 15:53:36 (EST)
suite a la derniere position des eveques l'ambassadeur americain sous instruction de georges bush est entre en conversation assez muscle avec jb officielment rien n'est encore sorti de cette rencontre mais les rumeurs persistantes disent qu'il est question de negocier son depart, jb souffre depuis quelque jours de graves crises de nerfs. il est devenu un insomniaques dangereux traitant ses collaborateurs avec le plus grand irrespect et la plus total indignite ses moindres propos sont emaille de "foutre" ses proches sont tres tendus a cause de ce comportement violent de leur chef.
anonym
- Saturday, January 24, 2004 at 03:00:34 (EST)
F.Y.I.
Interested in the beauty pageant may now contact miss Vanessa Marcel at :(240)498-9367 or at: nessa127@hotmail.com
Jean Claude Vivens <jcvivens@mris.com>
Wheaton, MD - Friday, January 23, 2004 at 20:36:24 (EST)
Une force internationale pour rétablir l’ordre en Haïti
Posté le 23 janvier 2004
Les pays membres de la CARICOM et d’autres pays de la région seraient prêts à aider à rétablir l’ordre en Haïti...
La Communauté attend l'autorisation des dirigeants haitiens avant d'envoyer une force de maintien de la paix dans le pays,a déclarée vendredi le Premier Ministre Jamaïcain Percival.J. Patterson, à la suite de deux journées de discussion sur la crise haïtienne avec des membres de l’opposition et de la société civile à Nassau (Bahamas), a reporté le journal Jamaica Gleaner. « Il est clair qu’Haïti va avoir besoin de l’aide externe afin de mettre en place la sécurité nécessaire », a indiqué M. Patterson. Cependant, a-t-il ajouté « Nous n’enverrons pas une force d’invasion ». Il a en outre souligné que la CARICOM, le Canada, les Etats-Unis et l’OEA espèraient obtenir l’accord du gouvernement pour une telle assistance. Mr. Patterson, qui assure actuellement la présidence de la CARICOM, a d’autre part appelé le Président Aristide a libéré les prisonniers politiques, à démanteler les gangs armés et les groupes paramilitaries et à assurer la sécurité de tous les Haïtiens. Il a particulièrement exprimé son inquiétude pour le cas de 15 étudiants interpellés depuis le 5 décembre dernier. La proposition de solution de la CARICOM à la crise politique pourrait-être remise dans les prochains jours au Président Aristide par le Premier Ministre des Bahamas M. Perry Christie. Ce dernier est attendu à Port-au-Prince dans les prochaines 48 heures avons-nous appris. M. Patterson Premier ministre de la Jamaïque a indiqué que cette proposition ne demandait pas la démission du Président Aristide comme le réclame l’opposition. « L’opposition et la société civile ont toutefois reconnu qu’il était indispensable de rétablir l’ordre et le calme dans le pays avant la tenue de nouvelles élections législatives. De nouveaux pourparlers seront tenus bientôt à la Jamaïque avec le Président Aristide et des membres du parti Lavalas (au pouvoir). Un rapport sera ensuite présenté à la prochaine session extraordinaire de la CARICOM en mars 2004 à Antigua.
Anonym
- Friday, January 23, 2004 at 20:34:30 (EST)
Here's the location w/phone #: First Haitian Baptist Church:
1501 Columbia Rd Nw
Washington, DC 20009
(202) 332-7510
Rod
Landover, MD - Friday, January 23, 2004 at 12:45:19 (EST)
Where is the First HAitian Baptist church in DC???
chanou
USA - Friday, January 23, 2004 at 12:22:31 (EST)
Yes, what are some haitian churches in the area? All I've heard about is the First Haitian Baptist Congregration churh in DC. Any others?
Rod
Landover, MD - Friday, January 23, 2004 at 12:08:26 (EST)
Hey this is a nice site. I've just relocated to this area from Boston. I am looking for a Haitian church to attend, Any hints/help woulb be great let me know???
Chanou <csimplice@yahoo.com>
greenbelt, MD - Friday, January 23, 2004 at 09:47:48 (EST)
Une occupation d'une force étrangère est prsque inevitable quand on considère qu'on ne veut plus parler de compromis dans la crise haitienne. Je dois aussi ajouter qu'il serait for dificile d'imaginer que cette force serait la république Dominicaine.
Ki DWAM?
- Friday, January 23, 2004 at 08:26:54 (EST)
This is what I read
D'une source crédible venant directement de Washington. Il semblerait que les forces d'armes de la République Dominicaine soient prêtes à établir la paix dans la crise Haïtienne. L'occupation Dominicaine c'est ce dont on parle dans la capitale et les radios dominicaines commentent à ce sujet. Auront- ils la chance de nous faire sentir ce qu'avait fait Jean Pierre Boyer
Anonym
MD - Thursday, January 22, 2004 at 20:32:31 (EST)
"Mirna, you posted "Haitian Solidarity Rally", I am curious Solidarity with whom and for whom or for What?"
Haitian, this is posted on Sakapfet.com, I am not part of the group, since I am from this area, mwen poste'l pou moun ki interese ok...
Mirna
- Thursday, January 22, 2004 at 20:09:52 (EST)
Dimanche 18 Janvier 2003
La rue est blanche de neige donc des exercices a la maison nous aideront quand meme ne serait-ce que pour 10 minutes car d'apres moi c'est important de maintenir cet effort.
Cela m'attriste de voir ce qui se passe en Haiti mais je voudrais vous rappeler que nous avons vecu tant de fois ces experiences dans le passe et que nous devons prier fort et esperer un denouement heureux pour Haiti.
Ce matin en feuilletant un des livres de Dr. Henriot St Gerard, un de nos compagnons de route et de prieres, je me suis retrouvee dans une Haiti connue d'une certaine generation et je voudrais partager avec vous un
extrait d'un petit chapitre.
" Ce passe de notre jeunesse que nous vivons au present a chaque fois que l'occasion s'offre a nous n'est pas du tout bien vu des ti moun alekile (de la presente generation). Pour eux impossible d'imaginer une vie sans
radio, sans television, sans video... et leurs reactions assez souvent pa fe nou plezi (nous deplaisent) car, elles font de nous des stupides.
Les enfants d'aujourd'hui d'Haiti, wi Ayiti pa nou an (oui notre Haiti), n'hesitent pas a s'exclamer; Nou pat manke pa raz (ce que vous vous ennuyiez ); ceux du Canada, francophones a leur facon, ne peuvent s'empecher de commenter: twe la, tu vois que ta vie la etait bien plate; ceux des Etats-Unis, corrompus par la technologie font la grimace: Yack! it was really boring; meme les petits de France trouvent un mot a dire: Oh! nom de Dieu, combien degueulasse!
Ces enfants d'aujourd'hui ne peuvent comprendre combien heureux nous etions malgre les limitations. Pour votre survie sete fe tet ou travay (il fallait faire travailler les meninges) pour trouver de quoi vous amuser.
Rien ne devait etre gaspille; vous etiez des recycleurs professionnels: les souliers usages, dechires te bon pou choute boul (utilises pour jouer a la boule); si usages et trop petits, ils servaient de pantoufle, ou tou senpleman mache sou ranfo a.. (on marchait sur le renfort) Tout vye choset (les vielles chaussettes) allait devenir une boule... tout retay twal ( restes de tissus) servait a fabriquer les fameuses pope boure (poupees de toile) qui devaient etre baptisees.. Vous partiez a la recherche des boites vides de cigarettes Splendid ou Lucky Strikes pour construire des voitures, des camions et meme des dayinaflo qui faisaient appel a toute notre ingenuosite... Vous montiez a cheval sur un bwa bale (balais) ou sur le dos
d'un autre... Les tet kola (les couvercles) etaient suivant les besoins une boule, un ralba, un pion pour le damye (damier), le lido (ludo), le titato (tictacto)... Il y avait aussi les avions et les bateaux en papier...
N'oublions pas le domino, le tcheke (checkers) et le ti pwen ti kwa, denomme plus tard mopyon...
Enfants, vous souhaitez les clairs de lune, c'etait le moment propice pour le lago (hide and seek), le sote kod (le saut a la corde), les trois fois passe la... et aussi pour tirer les contes parce que ou pa tire kont la jounen pou male pa rive-w (on evite de le faire en plein jour pour
eviter un malheur).
Un rien suffisait pou ou fe yon pwogram (avec peu on montait un programme): les messes de quatre heures, les parades militaires, les bals d'enfants, le mardi-gras, les benyen larivye (bains de rivieres), les benyen nan lanme (bains de mer), les benyen nan lapli (bains de pluie), les
promenades en groupe... Les dimanches apres-midi, w'al nankonse sou laplas (concert sur la place). C'etait une vraie partie de plaisir surtout quand etait executee la derniere composition, le plus souvent sur un rythme de
koutdjay, et que tout moun tonbechante, tonbe danse (rythme entrainant et que l'audience chantait et dansait)...Les grosses betises n'etaient pas encore a la mode. Que c'est loin et proche a la fois! "
Ne desesperons pas de la situation d'Haiti car elle reprendra ses forces et son souffle.
Bonne route a vous tous et en chantant s'il vous plait!
Semwen
Glendale, MD - Thursday, January 22, 2004 at 15:25:07 (EST)
Thanks "E" for the info. I hope you had fun in La Vallee. I may take a trip there this summer too, not sure yet.
Mobutoo
Stafford, VA - Thursday, January 22, 2004 at 14:15:37 (EST)
Voici une petite joke:
après une longue nuit d'amour intense, le gars se retourne sur le dos et regarde un peu partout dans la chambre. Il voit la photo encadrée d'un homme sur la table de chevet près du lit. Naturellement, il commence à paniquer.
Est-ce ton époux? » demande-t-il nerveusement. Ben non idiot » répond-elle en se blottissant contre lui. Ton ami alors? » Pas du tout » dit-elle en lui grignotant une oreille. C'est ton père ou ton frère? » dit-il pour se faire rassurer. Bien sûr que non » dit-elle en riant. Qui diable est-ce? » demande le gars perplexe. Calmement, la fille le ramène sur elle, l'enlace fermement dans ses bras et, lui murmure à l'oreille :
C'est moi avant ma chirurgie.
Semwen
Glendale, md - Thursday, January 22, 2004 at 14:10:21 (EST)
I am appalled by the posting of that rally by this foreign group called "haiti democracy project". They are the same people who have contributed in making the country what it is today. We do not need anyone right now who is supporting one side against another. Let me give you an example, you said everywhere in the country people are calling for the Aristide government to go, but at the same time everywhere in the country people are calling for Aristide to finish his term in office such as the more than 50,000 who demonstrated yesterday in Port-au-Prince. Aristide's partisans are involved in violent acts as well as partisans of the opposition. What we need is dialogue and haitians to sit together and to go to elections in order to see which one is really popular. We do not need any more division in the society. If we can put all that effort to overthrow Aristide to help for the betterment of the common haitian, we would have been far ahead. Aristide is not the only one to blame. We have to look at a lot other people including opposition groups. We do not need a rally here and I don't support it and will not go.
Calixte
Calixte
- Thursday, January 22, 2004 at 14:10:19 (EST)
Sorry, there were supposed to be pics attached to my first posting, but I guess this was not possible!!!
Special Reporter
- Thursday, January 22, 2004 at 14:05:07 (EST)
THIS FRIDAY.....
PARTY! PARTY! PARTY!
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IT'S A GLOW PARTY, WEAR WHITE SO YOU CAN GLOW ALL NIGHT WITH YOUR HAITIAN BROTHERS AND SISTERS...
IT'S ONLY 5$ IF YOU ARE WEARING WHITE AND 7$ IF YOU ARE NOT.
ALSO COME OUT TO PARTY WITH Dj. VERSATILE/ MAX WHO IS GOING AWAY FOR 5 MONTHS ON TOUR FOR HIS ALBUM THAT JUST CAME OUT.
IF INTERESTED INTO BUYING THIS ALBUM, PLEASE CALL:
(240)421-1723 OR (240)423-4958
PEACE AND LOVE
LOVELY HAITIAN SISTA
MD USA - Thursday, January 22, 2004 at 14:05:02 (EST)
Special Report - An extremely painful comparative analysis of lives By Yves A. Isidor
Slightly less than four months from now, or on January 1, 2004, Haiti will shamefully, and extremely so, celebrate what many, both Haitians and non-Haitians, loudly consider to be regarded as 200 years of birth, marked by extreme suffering, dictatorship, kleptocracy, as also reflected in the Caribbean nation voluminous catalogue of evil.
Why not 200 years of independence? Of one thing reasonable people cannot disagree about that Haiti (by any measure one of the poorest nations on earth) has been occupied twice by the United States, and it would be better for those who continue to lend credence to the contention that Haiti will soon catharticly celebrate its bicentenary of independence to alternately conclude it will celebrate 200 years of its largely interrupted independence, 200 years of its troubled history, to be precise.
Jean-Bertrand Aristide (the psychopath is neither attractive, nor physically striking, and is said to have suffered from severe malnutrition in the early years of his rural life), of course, the latest perennial and uncommonly vicious tyrant to be, has ultimately led Haiti to self-annihilation of late, as the extremely unpleasant state of affairs, social conditions for example, in the Caribbean nation suggests.
Long considered a continuing and growing major threat to United States' national security, presumably since he is seriously committed to sympathize with terrorists, to traffic in narcotics, by proxy, with the U.S. as one of his major markets, the little man Aristide, who is known to have indirectly organized perilous voyages of Haitian boat people (flood of refugees) to Florida from Haiti, and this in an effort to, hopefully, force the George W. Bush's administration to give his de facto government millions of dollars in foreign aid, even causing the president to lose the next presidential election, though scheduled to be held in November 2004, as was the case on October 29, 2002 when more than 220 Haitian boat people (The October 29, 2002 tragedy) landed in Florida while his brother, Jeb Bush, was arduously working the campaign trail to remain in the governor's mansion, sure enjoys an ultra-luxury quality of life - not bad at all for a man still of pronounced Marxist tendencies who was born in a mud hut and grew up dirt-poor in the Haiti remote village of Beaulieu, not the provincial town of Port-Salut, as he always claims.
Of course, what is true for an honest man is not true for Aristide. By way of alternative, a straight line connects Aristide (many say he also traffics in fantasy and hypocrisy) to an ultra-pathological liar, if not a grand thief, too.
"The cold beer will soon be awaiting you; the hot barbecue will be there for you in the near term," firebrand Aristide long ago and repeatedly thereafter memorably promised the vast majority of Haitians, whose abject poverty defines their daily lives.
What else, you wonder, Big Man, in internationally accepted uses of the term, Aristide promised the vast majority of Haitians who not long ago finally turned to God (Haitians pray) for help, a manifestation of despair?
"Oh, don't forget about the super highways" - only less than three of the 1,000 kilometers of new roads Aristide promised to be built in the late 90s were ever built with the help of the World Bank - "that I will soon build for you, in fact better than those in the U.S.; and I swear a thousand times ... two thousand times ... ten thousand times; this is what your new material conditions will be like in the near future; you men and women may now start contracting marriage; couples will soon be able to take a walk on the highways as if they each were the equivalent of two lovely birds and, sure Haiti will soon be a nice country... no more signs of an eroding quality of life that threats not only you Haitians but the land of this nation."
Did he deliver the vast majority of Haitians from dehumanizing poverty, even those in the lower lower social class (measured as a combination of occupation, income, education, wealth, and other x independent variables, sometimes referred to as explanatory variables, because of their role in explaining the variability in the dependent variable y, also predictor variables, because of their role in predicting y) were absorbed, at least, into the working class, the (y) dependent variable?
If one thinks of tyrant Aristide as a man who lived up to his promises, the case for trusting a lawyer, thanks to his convincing words, to operate on a patient, or a blind person teaching someone how to drive an automobile, would really not be weak. Only him and a few cronies managed to climb to the upper upper echelons of Haitian economic respectability, from the upper middle-class, by virtue of corruption, engaging in the pillage of Haiti's public treasury, for example.
Visualize the ultra-luxury quality of life of Aristide and the material conditions of the vast majority of Haitians
Ruthless, brutal and lethal dictator Jean-Bertrand Aristide, who have murdered an innumerable number of Haitians, mainly his own critics, his wife Mildred and partners in crime material conditions of extra-luxury nature, which certainly contradicts Aristide's contention that he "would rather perish,"at the very least economically, "without the extremely poor Haitians than succeeding without them."
Today, the social divide, the economic divide - to paraphrase the words of New York Times' Tim Weiner in a September 5, 2003 article, dealing with the sorrows of Liberia, the poorest nation on earth, if one is to lend credence to a recent review of government records and an investigation by United Nations' experts - runs so deep that it is like a geologic fault in the earth of the small Caribbean nation of Haiti. (Please see photographs below)
The unbelievable quality of life of dirt-poor nature of the vast majority of Haitians, whom rapacious Aristide told communism would save from capitalism, promised to deliver from abject poverty, only to not long ago once again defrauded millions of them, via a co-operative scheme. Millions of Haitians, as reported by The New York Times on July 20, 2002, too (A get-rich scheme collapses, leaving Haiti even poorer), lost their hard-earned life savings - more than U.S. $220 million.
Adding kidnapping and severe beating to grand robbery, many of the victims, including Rosemond Jean, were later kidnapped and tortured by Aristide's narco-thugs for solely demanding that thief Aristide, as they repeatedly called him during public protests, reimburse them. (Please see photographs below)
Do I, Jean-Bertrand Aristide, care about the dirt-poor Haitians? Sure, I do. See, see: you can't compare the estates, right, that I, pesky, devious totalitarian dictator, have built for them to my simple house and reasonable price chair. (AP Photo/Daniel Morel)
What do you think? The estates built for the dirt-poor Haitians by tyrant Jean-Bertrand Aristide. Prettier than Aristide's simple house, left. (AP Photo/Daniel Morel)
The daily lives of dirt-poor Haitians, crushing poverty. (AP Photo/Daniel Morel
Uncommonly vicious tyrant Jean-Bertrand Aristide in his ultra-luxury office at the Haitian national palace.
STAND ALONE PHOTO PACKAGE**A wheelbarrow holding produce sits in polluted waters in Port-au-Prince's sprawling market known as Crois-des-Bossales, Sept. 3, 2003. Built where the country's main slave market stood and where many of Haiti's descendants first arrived, now the market is a teeming, polluted mass of vendors and an acute image of the country's crushing poverty. (AP Photo/Gregory Bull)
Notorious, corrupt dictator Jean-Bertrand Aristide's palace.
STAND ALONE PHOTO PACKAGE **Elise Dunwell passes food vendors and piles of rotting waste in Port-au-Prince's sprawling market known as Croix-des-Bossales, Wednesday, Sept. 3, 2003. (AP Photo/Gregory Bull)
Monstrous Jean-Bertrand Aristide's fleet of luxurious SUVs and one of his many expensive helicopters. (AP/Photo Daniel Morel)
The dirt-poor Haitians fleet of SUVs. "Not time yet for them to have their own fleet of helicopters, but pretty soon, I, Jean-Bertrand Aristide, promise. In fact, I will also purchase them an expensive jet, but first they must successfully complete their aviation education." (AP Photo/Daniel Morel)
STAND ALONE PHOTO PACKAGE**Shoppers pass a stand selling refreshments in Port-au-Prince's sprawling market known as Croix-des-Bossales, Sept. 2, 2003.(AP Photo/Gregory Bull)
THE NOTORIOUS CRIMINALS - De facto premier Yvon Neptune, front row, left, Aristide's wife Mildred Trouillot-Aristide, center, and radical leftist Jean-Bertrand Aristide. Men of the White race, back row, left, are two of the 60 or so U.S. citizens hired via a California private security firm at a cost of more than US $9 million annually to help guarantee criminal Aristide's personal security and that of his family while nearly all Haitians continue to experience on a daily basis grinding poverty.
STAND ALONE PHOTO PACKAGE**Imacula Mura, right, 40, balances a basket of charcoal for sale in Port-au-Prince's sprawling market known as Croix-des-Bossales, Sept. 2, 2003. Mura has sold charcoal all her life and comes from generations of charcoal sellers, for which there is always a market in Haiti, and the profits are never enough. (AP Photo/Gregory Bull)
One of hell-sent dictator Jean-Bertrand Aristide's ultra-luxury conference rooms, at the Haitian national palace.
STAND ALONE PHOTO PACKAGE** People shop for used clothing in Port-au-Prince's sprawling market known as Croix-des-Bossales, Sept. 2, 2003. (AP Photo/Gregory Bull)
NICE CHAIRS, only for us. King Jean-Bertrand Aristide, right, who grew up dirt-poor and bourgeois de souche (by birth) wife Mildred Trouillot-Aristide. (AP Photo/Daniel Morel)
STAND ALONE PHOTO PACKAGE**A woman searches for edible lettuce as a pig does the same in Port-au-Prince's sprawling market known as Croix-des-Bossales, Sept. 3, 2003. (AP Photo/Gregory Bull)
Alleged druglord and avowed anti-United States Jean-Bertrand Aristide, left, with wife Mildred Trouillot-Aristide. Many say she has prostituted her class for narco-dollars. (AP Photo/Daniel Morel)
STAND ALONE PHOTO PACKAGE** Andres Aniluis, 40, loads a truck with sacks of grain in front of Port-au-Prince's sprawling market known as Croix-des-Bossales, Sept. 2, 2003. (AP Photo/Gregory Bull)
The ultra-luxury mansion of Haitian drug kingpin Jacques Beaudouin Kétant, a narco-business partner of corrupt and uncommonly totalitarian dictator Jean-Bertrand Aristide. Kétant, the godfather of monstrous Aristide's youngest daughter, Michaelle Aristide, was on June 17, 2003 taken out of the circulation in tight handcuffs by U.S. marshals and Drug Enforcement Agents (DEA), in Haiti. He has since been in a Miami Federal jail cell. He pleaded guilty to a series of charges, the vast majority of them trafficking in narcotics, Thursday, August 28, 2003 during an appearance before a Federal judge, in Miami, and vowed not to perish by himself by revealing the names of accomplices - the vast majority of them senior de facto Haitian officials, including Aristide. (AP Photo/Daniel Morel)
STAND LONE PHOTO PACKAGE **Ariel Bigio lifts a block of ice as he makes a delivery from his wheelbarrow in Port-au-Prince, Haiti, Tuesday, Sept. 2, 2003, as the Caribbean summer sunshine continues to bake the country. (AP Photo/Gregory Bull)
Neo-bourgeois Jean-Bertrand Aristide, left, and wife Mildred Trouillot-Aristide. (AP Photo/Daniel Morel)
Women and children dig for brackish water to use for washing near Limonade, Haiti, on Thursday, Jul. 25, 2002. (AP Photo/Daniel Morel)
From left to right, de facto premier Yvon Neptune, Mildred Trouillot-Aristide, and murderer Jean-Bertrand Aristide. Are they all asking God to pardon them for their odious crimes against the Haitian people?
STAND ALONE PHOTO PACKAGE **A woman chants through a megaphone that is turned off, left, as others pray holding pictures of loved ones at the God is Love Pentecostal Church in Port-au-Prince, Haiti, Wednesday, Sept. 4, 2003. Carrying pictures, passports and immigration papers, many who come to this tiny chapel are the family members left behind by Haitian immigrants in the United States, asking for a little help from God to get through the complicated web of United States immigration law. (AP Photo/Gregory Bull)
Pathological liar Jean-Bertrand Aristide, center. Man, far left, is one of the 60 or so Secret Service agents hired via a California private security firm, at a cost of more than U.S. $9 million annually, to guarantee his private security and that of his family, including wife Mildred Trouillot-Aristide, right. (AP Photo/Daniel Morel)
A man pulling a cart full of produce walks past rows of paintings for sale in downtown Port-au-Prince, Haiti, Friday, Sept. 5, 2003. (AP Photo/Gregory Bull)
An ultra-luxury mansion housing BIG TIMES crook Jean-Bertrand Aristide's de facto premier and notorious brigand Yvon Neptune's office. Plots to murder freedom fighters are also discussed and finalized there, while a large number of Haitians are forced to sleep on the streets and on trash-infested pig and dog fecal material, causing many of them to implore God photo, right, to help them flee hell Haiti for the United States, hopefully, putting an end to their extreme suffering.
STAND ALONE PHOTO PACKAGE **Vnus Caseuis holds pictures of a daughter living in Florida as she chants and prays for her well-being at the God is Love Pentecostal Church in Port-au-Prince, Haiti, Wednesday, Sept. 4, 2003. Carrying pictures, passports, and immigration papers, many who come to this tiny chapel are the family members left behind by Haitian immigrants in the United States, asking for a little help from God to get through the complicated web of United States immigration law. (AP Photo/Gregory Bull)
NICE SUIT, ONLY FOR ME, NOT FOR YOU FILTHY, DIRT-POOR AND ILLITERATE HAITIANS - All Satan Jean-Bertrand Aristide does is claiming to be president of Haiti. He has done absolutely nothing to even alleviate the lives of the vast majority of dirt-poor Haitians. Tired of repeated lies that have become like a broken record, a large number of Haitians have long turned to God (photo, right), hoping he will help them flee Haiti for the United States. (AP Photo Daniel Morel)
STAND ALONE PHOTO PACKAGE **Leohise Baubrum, 75, right, holds her passport and pictures of two daughters living in the United States as she prays at the God is Love Pentecostal Church in Port-au-Prince, Haiti, Wednesday, Sept. 4, 2003. Carrying pictures, passports, and immigration papers, many who come to this tiny chapel are the family members left behind by Haitian immigrants in the United States, asking for a little help from God to get through the complicated web of United States immigration law. At left, Marie Therese Felisme prays for her family. (AP Photo/Gregory Bull)
A boy spraypaints graffiti on the walls of the Organization of American States (OAS) compound in Port-au-Prince, Haiti, Thursday, Sept. 4, 2003. To his right reads, 'down with Aristide.' A group of nearly 100 protesters chanted slogans and gave speeches Thursday, calling on the OAS to denounce the Aristide government. (AP Photo/Gregory Bull)
Special Reporter
- Thursday, January 22, 2004 at 14:03:51 (EST)
Mirna, you posted "Haitian Solidarity Rally", I am curious Solidarity with whom and for whom or for What?
Haitian
Haitian
- Thursday, January 22, 2004 at 13:44:21 (EST)
Mobutoo,
Tout moun byen, tonton "O" te malad, li te fe 2 jou nan lopital lan...he is home with his family now...Thanks for asking...
"E"
- Thursday, January 22, 2004 at 13:15:18 (EST)
By: Haiti Democracy Project - 01/22/2004
HAITI SOLIDARITY RALLY TO BE HELD IN FRONT OF
WHEN: JANUARY 30, 2004
WHERE: EMBASSY OF HAITI, 2311
Massachusetts Ave, Washington, DC
RALLY WILL FINISH AT SHERIDAN CIRCLE (one block from the Embassy)
TIME: 11:30 AM to 3 PM
CONTACT: Terry Thielen, Haiti Democracy Project, 202-258-3364, terry@haitipolicy.org
Arielle Jean-Baptiste, Haiti Democracy Project, 202-588-8700, Arielle@haitipolicy.org
Throughout the country, Haitians are protesting the government of President Aristide which they accuse of leading their homeland farther down the path of economic collapse, poverty, corruption and repression. Students, democratic activists and average citizens are being attacked almost daily by the Haitian National Police (HNP) and pro-Aristide thugs with machetes, guns and other weapons at demonstrations demanding an end to Jean-Bertrand Aristide’s regime. At least 46 people have been killed in the violence, and more than 100 wounded since December 2003.
The Haiti Solidarity Rally seeks to support the Haitian people with a call for an end to violence and human rights abuses perpetrated by the Aristide regime and urge international support for a democratic alternative to the current leadership. This will be the first rally in Washington since 1994, when Aristide was returned to Haiti by the United States.
Invited speakers include:
Prof. Pierre Paquiot, Rector of the State University of Haiti. Mr. Paquiot’s legs were broken by HNP during an attack on the university campus Dec. 5, 2003. He is currently receiving medical treatment in New Orleans.
Jean-Robert Faveur, former police chief in Haiti, forced to flee the country after resisting government control and interference of police operations.
Claudy Gassant, Haitian judge forced to flee the country for investigating suspects close to the Aristide regime in the case of slain journalist and Aristide critic, Jean Dominique.
Lolo Beaubrun, lead singer of Boukman Experyans, under threat from the Aristide regime for his pro-democracy stance.
Yvelt, Chery, former Haitian senator from 1995-2001.
Amb. Lawrence A. Pezzullo, special envoy to Haiti from 1993-94 and Haiti Democracy Project board member.
The Haiti Solidarity Rally is co-sponsored by the Haiti Democracy Project, Haitian American Nationalists for Democracy (HANDS), League of Overseas Haitian Young Professionals (LIJEHC), and the Agency for the Development of Haiti. It is endorsed by the Coalition in Solidarity with the Haitian People, based in Miami, and Groupe de Reflexion in New York. - Article No. 20040122125219
Mirna
- Thursday, January 22, 2004 at 13:12:06 (EST)
Yopran'm, koman "E" kité moun yo dèyè-a?
Mobutoo
Stafford, VA - Thursday, January 22, 2004 at 12:59:47 (EST)
Pierr Richard, at least, you are posting some very good information on the board that a lot of us can benefit from, not for people who are not interested in educating themselves. Please, keep them coming. Agimal, my brother, we go way back; a lot of new comers or some who've been here in this community long enough do not know, what musicians and others who have strived and stuggled trying to build some type of steady entertainment or business have been through. Pierre Richard and Agimal, you both know what I'm talking about, so, do not pay any attention to misinformers. Therefore, an-nou eseye monte pi wo pandan zot ap radote.
Le Plus Haut
White Oak, Md - Thursday, January 22, 2004 at 11:58:18 (EST)
Any of the Echodhaiti.com family members from Spring Valley NY? I am looking to get in touch with a very well known gentleman in that area name Jean Clement. Anyone one with a possible way to get in contact with him, your help is appreciated.
Pierre R Torchenot
Columbia, MD - Thursday, January 22, 2004 at 09:45:07 (EST)
Agimal.....do your thing babe. Pa okipe hater yo. Ave'w map mache.....map tan trankil
smoochees
- Thursday, January 22, 2004 at 08:38:08 (EST)
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Irvington, nj - Wednesday, January 21, 2004 at 21:32:24 (EST)
a renmen al nan Kanaval ak Smoochees pou n al degaje nou.
Ban m Smoochees
- Wednesday, January 21, 2004 at 20:35:10 (EST)
agimal washington se pou rou kale dada'w jan ou vle
map tan diaz la
monique
washington , dc - Wednesday, January 21, 2004 at 20:30:25 (EST)
Mapdi,
The irony in this is, I posted an entry, Observer wrote an entry expressing his sentiments, Map swiv came in to back him up, you expressed your sentiments in my favor, and here I am reponsding the comments. All this, for one entry. And yet he is ranting about taking space. If we add all these posts together, the end result would take as much space or close to it. Observer and Map swiv, how about pretzel? You must be a Bush sympathizer.
Pierre R Torchenot
Columbia, MD - Wednesday, January 21, 2004 at 19:44:39 (EST)
"I've enjoyed this HAITIAN website, b/c it is just that HAITIAN...
Posting George Bush's "resume," or buy "black stamps" can be done on thousands of American or African-American websites.
Resume: how about helping newly come Haitians with theirs.
Black Stamps: How about Toussaint on a stamp or How about "stamping" out the opposition or lavalas. What ever you want, but let's keep true to Haiti, cause she needs us now."
Observer,
If I understand correctly, information on Echodhaiti.com should only reflect the interest of Haiti? You express yourself quite well in english.
Pierre R Torchenot
Columbhia, MD - Wednesday, January 21, 2004 at 19:27:29 (EST)
Map di ban'm di'w ké mwen renmen'w tou- Just like I love those who love me, I also have love for those who don't love me.
Now boss papa or boss manman let me tell you that Trankill is Agimal little project meaning the money, the time, the contacts, the ads, the shows,the name,the logo,the meetings, the "micro",the contracts, from A to Z.It's my little project. Over the years I have been a member of other groups,but this one is my baby.Therefore pa guen you jazz kap fèt, sé AGIMAL kap fè you jazz.Si ou men'm ou vlé fè jazz ou ak lagen paw pou Agimal pa ladan'l ou mèt fè jazz ou,en attendan map TRAVAIL DU.
If you feel that you are too good to support me or if I'm not good enough for your support that's OK too.However I'm doing it because so many fans and friends are asking me to do it-people who beleive in me,trust me,and love me.
So mapdi- BAN'M DI'W - lè jazz la soti ou guen dé chwa chéri(e) vini dansé ou bien rété chita lacay ou- Achté cd ou bien kenbé kob ou nan poch ou.
Paské wè pa wè antèman pou katrè.
So much for haters in our country - don't start it here with Trankill.
In the 70's there was a singer here who used to perform at a club call "Versuvio" in Adelphy MD,people used to make fun of him they call him "Amada" because he had trouble singing the spanish song Amada Amante.This community completely rejected him.That man moved to Florida where he became and still is the singer of "Top Vice".His name is Frédy for your record.
The lesson for the day is:
"les gouts et les couleurs ne se disputent pas".
En creole: toute sa'k pa bon pou you'n li bon pou you lot.
Jazz la renmen nou.
Jean Claude Vivens <jcvivens@mris.com>
Wheaton, MD - Wednesday, January 21, 2004 at 18:45:39 (EST)
Guys, we need to take it easy on this website. It's not
here for you all to shoot at each other. I would think
instead, it's here for us to inform each other. In fact,
instead of shooting, try to make the best or get the best
out of each other's saying. Right now, we need to focus
and analyze the situation from left and right to see who
the bad guys really are: is it Aristide and company or the
Opposition people.
Le Plus Haut
Beltsville, MD - Wednesday, January 21, 2004 at 18:32:16 (EST)
I understand Observer. You all can provide the link to a site, without posting these long unrelated posts.
As for the CARICOM thing, it is a shame.
map swiv
- Wednesday, January 21, 2004 at 18:27:12 (EST)
Pierre, you got my support. This needs to be posted everywhere. Not that we are not concerned with Haiti but we also have to be concerned with what is going on around us especially here in the US. Post it again Pierre.
Mapdi
Mapdi
- Wednesday, January 21, 2004 at 17:08:48 (EST)
I've enjoyed this HAITIAN website, b/c it is just that HAITIAN...
Posting George Bush's "resume," or buy "black stamps" can be done on thousands of American or African-American websites.
Resume: how about helping newly come Haitians with theirs.
Black Stamps: How about Toussaint on a stamp or How about "stamping" out the opposition or lavalas. What ever you want, but let's keep true to Haiti, cause she needs us now.
Other Caribbean leaders are right now meeting with the opposition to resolve OUR problem. HOW EMBARASSING !!!!!!!The same opposition who won't sit with the Haitian government.
observer
- Wednesday, January 21, 2004 at 16:34:27 (EST)
US Post Office to destroy African American StampsThurgood >Marshall, Roy Wilkins, Langston Hughes, Zora Neale Hurston, Patricia Roberts >Harris are all on these stamps. Please forward this and buy a book of our stamps >ASAP.
The Post Office will DESTROY all remaining African American Heritage >stamps at the end of the month instead of following their usual procedure of selling them until they are depleted.Why? Because we're not buying them!
However, >our postal workers are asking patrons to complain to the Post Master, via a >complaintform. Please ask for and complete the form (at the post office). > >Skip the love, flag, rose or teddy- bear stamps that they
offer you >automatically, request African-American stamps every time. If we don't buy them, nobody >will. We need to keep the little things that we do get.Please send this email >to all your friends so we can keep BLACK STAMPS
in circulation!!!!
Semwen
Glendale, MD - Wednesday, January 21, 2004 at 16:12:13 (EST)
Observer,
Which entry(ies) are you refering to?
Pierre R Torchenot
Columbia, MD - Wednesday, January 21, 2004 at 15:15:50 (EST)
P-R,
You've wasted some valuable space that could have been used, by you even, to talk about the plight or the culture of our nation.
Take it to heart before responding...
observer
- Wednesday, January 21, 2004 at 14:12:53 (EST)
RESUME
George W. Bush
The White House, USA
EDUCATION AND EXPERIENCE
* LAW ENFORCEMENT: I was arrested in Kennebunkport, Maine in 1976 for
driving under the influence of alcohol. I pled guilty, paid a fine, and had
my driver's license suspended for 30 days. My Texas driving record has
been "lost" and is not available.
* MILITARY: I joined the Texas Air National Guard and went AWOL. I refused
to take a drug test or answer any questions about my drug use. By joining
the Texas Air National Guard, I was able to avoid combat duty in Vietnam.
* COLLEGE: I graduated from Yale University. I was a cheerleader.
PAST WORK EXPERIENCE:
* I ran for U.S. Congress and lost.
* I began my career in the oil business in Midland, Texas in 1975. I bought
an oil company, but couldn't find any oil in Texas. The company went
bankrupt shortly after I sold all my stock.
* I bought the Texas Rangers baseball team in a sweetheart deal that took
land using taxpayer money.
* With the help of my father and our right-wing friends in the oil industry
(including Enron CEO Ken Lay), I was elected Governor of Texas.
ACCOMPLISHMENTS AS GOVERNOR:
* I changed Texas pollution laws to favor power and oil companies, making
Texas the most polluted state in the Union.
* During my tenure, Houston replaced Los Angeles as the most smog-ridden
city in America.
* I cut taxes and bankrupted the Texas treasury to the tune of billions in
borrowed money.
* I set the record for the most executions by any Governor in American
history.
* With the help of my brother, the Governor of Florida, and my father's
appointments to the Supreme Court, I became President after losing by over
500,000 votes.
ACCOMPLISHMENTS AS PRESIDENT:
* I invaded and occupied two countries at a continuing cost of over one
billion dollars per week.
* I spent the U.S. surplus and effectively bankrupted the U.S. Treasury.
* I shattered the record for the largest annual deficit in U.S. history.
* I set an economic record for most private bankruptcies filed in any
12-month period.
* I set the all-time record for the biggest drop in the history of the U.S.
stock market.
* I am the first president in U.S. history to enter office with a criminal
record.
* I set the all-time record for most days on vacation in any one year
period.
* After taking-off the entire month of August, I presided over the worst
security failure in U.S. history.
* I am supporting development of a nuclear "Tactical Bunker Buster," a WMD.
* In my State Of The Union Address, I lied about our reasons for attacking
Iraq, then blamed the lies on our British friends.
* I set the record for most campaign fund-raising trips by a U.S.
president.
* In my first year in office over 2-million Americans lost their jobs and
that trend continues every month.
* I set the all-time record for most foreclosures in a 12-month period.
* I appointed more convicted criminals to administration than any president
in U.S. history.
* I set the record for least amount of press conferences than any president
since the advent of television.
* I presided over the biggest energy crisis in U.S. history and refused to
intervene when corruption involving the oil industry was revealed.
* I presided over the highest gasoline prices in U.S. history.
* I have cut health care benefits for war veterans and support a cut in
duty benefits for active duty troops and their families-in war time.
* I have set the all-time record for most people worldwide to
simultaneously protest me in public venues (15 million people) shattering
the record for
protest against any person in the history of mankind.
* I've broken more international treaties than any president in U.S.
history.
* I'm proud that the members of my cabinet are the richest of any
administration in U.S. history. My "poorest millionaire," Condoleezza Rice,
has a Chevron oil tanker named after her.
* I am the first president in U.S. history to order an unprovoked,
pre-emptive attack and the military occupation of a sovereign nation. I did
so against
the will of the United Nations, the majority of U.S. citizens, and the world
community.
* I created the Ministry of Homeland Security, the largest bureaucracy in
the history of the United States government.
* I am the first president in U.S. history to have the United Nations
remove the U.S. from the Human Rights Commission.
* I withdrew the U.S. from the World Court of Law.
* I refused to allow inspectors access to U.S. prisoners of war (detainees)
and thereby have refused to abide by the Geneva Convention.
* I am the first president in history to refuse United Nations election
inspectors (during the 2002 U.S. election).
* I am the all-time U.S. and world record-holder for receiving the most
corporate campaign donations.
* My largest lifetime campaign contributor, and one of my best friends,
Kenneth Lay, presided over the largest corporate bankruptcy fraud in U.S.
history. My political party used the Enron private jets and corporate
attorneys to assure my success with the U.S. Supreme Court during my
election decision. I have protected my friends at Enron and Halliburton
against
investigation or prosecution. More time and money was spent investigating
the Monica Lewinsky affair than has been spent investigating one of the
biggest
corporate rip-offs in history.
* I garnered the most sympathy for the U.S. after the World Trade Center
attacks and less than a year later made the U.S. the most hated country in
the world, the largest failure of diplomacy in world history.
* I am first president in history to have a majority of Europeans (71%)
view my presidency as the biggest threat to world peace and security.
* I changed the U.S. policy to allow convicted criminals to be awarded
government contracts.
* I have so far failed to fulfill my pledge to bring Osama Bin Laden to justice.
RECORDS AND REFERENCES:
* All records of my tenure as Governor of Texas are now in my father's
library, sealed, and unavailable for public view.
* All records of SEC investigations into my insider trading and my bankrupt
companies are sealed in secrecy and unavailable for public view.
* All records or minutes from meetings that I, or my Vice-President,
attended regarding public energy policy are sealed in secrecy and
unavailable for
public review
Post Extras:
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Pierre Richard Torchenot
Columbia, md - Wednesday, January 21, 2004 at 13:21:42 (EST)
uo sel bagay mwen ta swete ke agimal pa chante ep pa pran micro nan jazz kap fet la. Kom mwen tande se ou seri de moun ki fek vin nan Kominote-a, donk yo pa kon istwa bagay yo pa bos isit.
Mapdi
Mapdi
- Wednesday, January 21, 2004 at 11:40:34 (EST)
Kojo Nambi from WAMU will be discussing the plight of Haiti 200 years after the first successful slave revolution in the Western Hemisphere today (01/21/04). Talk of the Nation with Kojo Nambi can be heard in the Washington DC metropolitan area on 88.5 FM Starting at 1:00 PM weekdays. You can also catch it on WAMU.ORG on the web.
Manze
- Wednesday, January 21, 2004 at 09:14:44 (EST)
"tout jwèt se jwèt Kanaval pa nan politik"
Ki dwam.....ave'w map mache. Mwen dako ave'w san pou san. Nan kisa yap esaye foure kanaval la. Banm la pe tet mwen tande. Kanaval potoprins se yon tradisyon li ye. Why kill it? Se pa sa kap fe peyi a chanje non. Al esaye di pep la NO KANAVAL THIS YEAR. Yap mande'w ki lang wap pale avek yo la. Moun kap pale yo se pe yo pe desan potoprins. Yap vin pran pretex peyi a tet anba, moun ap mouri, moun ap soufri. Alo se premye fwa sa fet ayiti? TWWWIIIPPPPP!!!
Ki jodia nap mouri. Se pa jenm enpeche kanaval fet chak ane. Nap boycot pou kanaval ayiti pendan se tan nap pwograme pou kanaval miami. ALA!!!
18 fevrier mwen anba a. Sak pwale yo swiv mwen.....lol
smoochees
- Wednesday, January 21, 2004 at 08:52:58 (EST)
1)Haitiens Miami yo ap fè you kanaval le 29 Février avec gwo jazz yo T.Vice- Mikey-Djakout- Konpa Kréol-ban'n a pié et la triyé ak jazz brézilien pou soulagé la diaspora.
2)Trankill ( jazz La) ap travay rèd pou ba nou bèl mizik-répétition solid pou album nan avec bal yo malgré frédi ya rèd pou nèg ki fèk soti Haiti yo.
3)pou pagent la rélé miss Marce nan:240-498-9367
4)Map palé avec you compayi ki pou van'n nou nouvèl yo pou "Haiti Suivre".Pa gen sponsor ki ka péyé nouvèl yo dépi Birds Travel fèmen. Map péyé premié mwa,si nou vlé sipoté na voyé donation nou sou JCV PRODUCTIONS INC nan JCV po.box 2887 Silver Spring Md 20915 pou émission an, pou nou ka gen image sa kap pasé lakay. Si ou pa gen cable nou ka toujou fè you copy k-7 emmission an pou ka wè ak dé jé paw sa kap pasé.
MWEN RENMEN NOU TOUTE ANPIL.
Jean Claude Vivens <jcvivens@mris.com>
Wheaton, MD - Tuesday, January 20, 2004 at 21:04:19 (EST)
Pierre,
sitiasyon led vre wi, men ou vacabon tankou aristid merite monin pyes li. sa ou seme, se sa ou recolte.
Kidonk, haiti ap oblige transfome an you peyi chime, pou li ka mete aristid chef chime a deyo. si se pa sa yo fe, aristid pap jam ale. Aristid pa arive konpran ke moun yo pa vle li anko. li se yon moun ki renmen deblozay. mwen mem panse ke li ap beneficie de sitiasyon peyi a jan li ye a. paske misie ka kenbe pouwa men apre tan li yan jiskas ke genyen you elecsyon nan peyi a. Aristid se yon san clas, sa vle di ke mem si la le devan gouvene lot peyi nan condisyon sa, li beneficie kan men. Li pa gen anken volonte pou li fe elecsyon lib. Se sa ki fe li tap eseye change knstitisyon an. Aristid ap agi tankou yon lavalas nan peyi ya. Li ap pote tout moun de vale ale swa lotbo dlo swa nan simitye.
anonym
- Tuesday, January 20, 2004 at 18:46:08 (EST)
Countries such as St Lucia, Bahamas, Trinida & Tobaga, and Jamaica are now "mediators" in peace talk to help resolve Haiti problems.
nou gen tan malprop. Pou kisa Apaid, Aristid, Lavalas, Oposisyon pa fout mouri bay payi ou chans. ou bamn vaut rien.
Caricom PMs to meet Haiti opposition tomorrow
BY RICKEY SINGH
Observer Caribbean correspondent
Port-au-Prince, Haiti - A policeman detains a man that was allegedly throwing stones at anti-Aristide demonstrators in Port-au-Prince yesterday. About 4,000 anti-Aristide protestors marched yesterday demanding the resignation of Haiti's President Jean Bertrand Aristide. (Photo: AP)
BRIDGETOWN, Barbados - Jamaica's prime minister, P J Patterson, will this week lead a delegation of four Caribbean heads of government in two days of talks with Haiti's Opposition and civil society representatives as the Caribbean Community tries to resolve that country's political crisis.
The meeting, to be held in The Bahamas tomorrow and Wednesday, will also be attended by prime ministers Perry Christie of The Bahamas (host); Kenny Anthony of St Lucia and Patrick Manning of Trinidad and Tobago.
Representatives of President George Bush of the United States; Prime Minister Paul Martin of Canada; as well as a representative of the secretary-general of the Organisation of American States (OAS), Cesar Gaviria, will attend as observers.
This latest initiative to find an urgent solution to the deteriorating political crisis in Haiti follows a meeting held with President Jean Bertrand Aristide by Caricom leaders in Monterrey, Mexico, during the two-day Special Summit of the Americas last week.
Patterson, the chairman of Caricom, had told Aristide in a December 30 letter that Caricom was concerned about the growing political instability in the country, which threatened good governance and caused loss of lives.
The groundwork for the meeting was, however, laid by a four-member fact-finding mission to Haiti, led by Colin Granderson, Caricom assistant secretary-general. The mission also included Jamaica's ambassador to Venezuela, Dr Matthew Beaubrun; St Lucia's ambassador to the United States, Sonia Johnny; and Joshua Sears, the ambassador of The Bahamas to the United States.
Prime Minister Patterson told the Observer in a telephone interview Friday that last week's meeting with President Aristide was "encouraging" with the new approaches being taken to end the political impasse in Haiti.
Patterson has, in the meantime, attributed the deadlock in trying to resolve the crisis to a "lack of trust" between the Opposition and Government.
This week's meeting will be the most significant development in the long search by Caricom and the OAS for a resolution of the Haitian crisis since the flawed elections of May 2002.
Sources told the Observer Friday that depending on the outcome of the Nassau meeting, Caricom will have separate meetings with President Aristide and representatives of his Lavalas Party at a mutually agreed venue.
Meanwhile, Patterson confirmed Friday that Caricom had been in contact with the president of South Africa, Thabo Mbeki, who earlier this month pledged to do "whatever possible" to help find a solution to the Haitian crisis, in co-operation with the Caribbean Community.
South Africa's foreign minister recently travelled to Kingston where he discussed the situation in Haiti with Patterson.
Last week, Aristide announced that he would call legislative elections within six months, but said a date had not been set because it was necessary to speak with the Opposition to find the best time.
Aristide, a Roman Catholic priest, and his Lavalas Party have, since the May 2002 elections, been facing mounting protests from citizens who claimed that the elections were fixed.
The unrest overshadowed the country's recent bicentennial celebrations marking its independence from France. Dozens of people have been killed in the protests.
Pierre R Torchenot
Columbia, MD - Tuesday, January 20, 2004 at 13:47:04 (EST)
Mezanmi nou toujou ap rele deye Chime Lavalas yo, apali, jounen jodi-a Chime Apaid yo ap voye woch sou lekol, menase boule legliz, kraze machine, voye woch sou tout bagay ki pa dako avek yo. Ala de traka papa. Men nan kisa jounen jodia nou trouve nou an Ayiti. Moun ki di ke yap goumen pou chanjman, gade grose vagabonday yap fe nan peyi-a. Gade dey yap simaye nan mitan malere, malerez. Li le pou nou komanse rele anmwe! nou pa kapab anko, nou bouke.
Alatraka
ALATRAKA
- Tuesday, January 20, 2004 at 13:00:26 (EST)
Wè pa wè Kanaval pou lòt mwa.Lè mesié opozisyon bezwen pran plezi yo,yo jis pran avion yalé kote yo pito KANAVAL se sel distraksyon pep la genyen tout jwèt se jwèt Kanaval pa nan politik, Opozisyon ap di pou pa gen lekòl pandan pitit yo ap etidie nan peyi etrange, Kanta pou mwen vozan pou lavalas vouzan pou Opozisyon Vive Hati libre, KANAVAL TET Kale Jacmel, Chandmas, Au cayes, While fortune 500 companies are merging to become stronger, while rich countries are signing accord of cooperation, while powerful nationsare getting together to compete on the world market ayisyen ap detrui prop tet pa nou..menm fèt liberte nou nou bòykoté,(nou an tintin tout bon vré)Chimè Kplim ak Apaid ap kalonen ròch sou lekòl ( sa fè honte)
Ki dwam
- Tuesday, January 20, 2004 at 12:29:45 (EST)
I am so very happy for your country, to be celebrating 200 years of freedom, I look forward to visiting your country and I hope to meet many friends. Yours in God grace, Irene Dove
Irene Dove <Vincentmyson77@aol.com>
Chicago, il - Sunday, January 18, 2004 at 20:01:15 (EST)
I just don't get it with you guys, in one hand you are talking about "MIZE" in haiti, and you think that carnaval is a good thing for the mass population in haiti right now on the other hand. That's why politicians in haiti take the people for a joke, because they always say once you give haitians "tambou ak tafia", they forget everything, thinking that's all they care about. The fact remains that all the provinces and the capital mobilize against the government, therefore, this is not a time to say the people of haiti won't negotiate carnival. In fact, we are here in the USA working and eating 3xs a day; let me remind you all that people are suffering big time right now in haiti. And, don't forget: "A hungry man is an angry man.
Le Plus Haut
White Oak, Md - Saturday, January 17, 2004 at 03:14:59 (EST)
Guess What !!! The operation was a success but the patient dies ... M'AP VIV
Alerte Belance <konbitkreyolproductions@hotmail.com>
Newark, n.j - Friday, January 16, 2004 at 16:05:44 (EST)
Charles....ou di sa tou...mwen dako ave'w. What they really need to do is while pep la ap banboche penden 5 jou sa yo, they need to spend that time to come up with a plan on how yo pwal gouye (excusse my french) anba pep la mekredi apres jou gras a. Paske pep la ap gin yon grangou nan fyel li pa vini'w ki pou sove'w selman anba yo.
smoochees
- Friday, January 16, 2004 at 14:04:01 (EST)
Sa montre vreman kijan opozision-a se pa afe peyi li ap okipe. How can you justify spoiling the carnival for political reasons? you are hurting a people, a country and a tradition. This is absolutely ridiculous. Those guys from the opposition better look for something else to do. I am fed up with them. I guess if they tried to spoil the bicentennial celebration, I would not be surprised if they attempt to do the same thing for the carnival. Mwe bezouin al pran ti detent mwen e pi pran ou repos avek fredi-a.
Charles
Charles
- Friday, January 16, 2004 at 13:50:02 (EST)
Paul.....dezod ou pa pep la pap negosye banbosh yo non. Se sel le pou yon pran yon break, yon detente despri. Apres mardi greas ya repedale nan mekredi enko
By the way, did ya know kanaval is going to be 5 days this year? Komense depi nan vendredi 20 fevrier jiska 24. Map mouri vre ane sa......lol
smoochees
- Friday, January 16, 2004 at 12:12:31 (EST)
Mesie Oposition yo mande pou moun pa ale nan Kanaval ane sa-a, Pep la repon'n "tout jwet se jwet Kanaval pa ladan", yo di demokraci sa-a ale tro loin
I love your site
Paul Jeanty
Atl, Ga - Friday, January 16, 2004 at 11:34:38 (EST)
Vos prières sont requises!
Une demande venant du Saint Père...
Le Pape Jean-Paul II nous demande de prier pour lui car il sait que son temps parmi nous est limité. S.V.P., priez un "Notre Père" , un "Je Vous salue Marie" et un "Gloire soit au Père" pour notre Saint Père et envoyez ce message par courriel autour du monde.
Le Pape Jean-Paul II a fait cette demande lorsqu'il priait l'Angelus avec les pèlerins. Il dit que la force ne lui sera seulement donné que par les prières de ceux qui auront prié.
Aidons le Saint Père, dont les prières nous ont si souvent aidés. S.V.P., envoyez ceci à tous ceux qui croient en la prière. Avec votre coopération,dans quelques jours des millions auront offert leurs prières pour le Pape Jean-Paul II et en même temps offert leurs prières à Dieu.
Ne sous-estimons jamais la puissance de la prière.
Semewn
Glendale, md - Friday, January 16, 2004 at 09:54:09 (EST)
i like this site and hopefully it will stay as long as it can. It's such a nice thing to have Haitian that are proud to be. I am in love with Haiti no matter what happened to the country or not. I hope everybody else feels the same way i feel. Haiti is the best place to enjoy. I LOVE IT.
dsmber20 <juniekb2001@yahoo.fr>
staten island, ny - Thursday, January 15, 2004 at 20:13:55 (EST)
Yey yo,
i think this is a great website and the people that I see talking sending their comment to this pages seem real nice... Yo just kept on doing what cha doing... I am from Haiti also.. I was born there.. So I am looking forward to hear more from ya...
Patrick Wilcox Haitian 4 life...
Patrick Wilcox <wilcoxpatrick@hotmail.com>
Frankfort, MI - Wednesday, January 14, 2004 at 17:41:10 (EST)
Thank you very much Manze. I will check it out.
A Reader
A Reader
- Wednesday, January 14, 2004 at 10:05:01 (EST)
A Reader, I am not sure how descriptive you want me to be in explainning the term. In my view it is a simpistic term which means, music that is an alternative to what's being played on current mainstream/commercial Radio stations. I hope this satifies your curiosity and clarifies the term for you. Thank you for your question.
Manze
- Wednesday, January 14, 2004 at 08:34:41 (EST)
Hi Concerned Haitian and Friends!
Hope it's not to late to wish everyone a Meaningful New Year. I hope everyone is doing well. And I hope everyone has set at least three personal goals they plan to accomplish this year. So please keep these two quotes in mind: 1) WE ONLY LEARN OUR LIMITS BY GOING BEYOND THEM, and 2) DON'T LET FEAR GET IN THE WAY OF YOUR DREAMS.
With this in mind, I would like to respond to Concerned Haitians inquiry about the march. I am pleased to say that my colleagues and I have been working hard with a number of groups to help organize this march. Some of the highlights are that the permits will officially be issued this month; organizational members of the National Planning Committee will be announced; we've got an office downtown on K street; there is a high possibility that Wyclef may perform; and lastly, we finally found a cold fusion web developer to finish our website.
As it now stands, we anticipate at least 5K, people, min 2k, and max 10+. It's really hard to pinpoint an exact number. All I can say is that the outreach and grassroots work is being done and all of the logistics are being addressed. We will have a meeting late this month or early next and I will post an open invitation to anyone interested in helping. In the meantime, please feel free to email me at mcharles@10thdepartment.org if you want more info.
I think it is important for me to stress that this is not a 10th DOHE march - it is a march for our people. One that not only calls for Haitian empowerment but is a way for us to commemorate our bicentennial right here in the nation's capital. The march will lay the foundation for the work that we and other groups are doing or plan to do in the near future. Our vision is proactive, timely and attainable no matter what obstacles we may face.
By the way, do you guys/gals remember when someone posted a comment on this board and said that Haiti's bicentennial will be "brief" and "meaningless?" For some reason, it feels as if our bicentennial was overshadowed by the "yellow terror alert" and the media's coverage of protests in Haiti.
So what now and what next? Even more importantly, where do we go from here? Or does it even matter? Are we going to let this year pass us by without affirming who we are? Are we going to let issues such as politics; language; religion; class warfare; birthplace; family surname; hair texture; and/or skin color continue to divide us 200 year latter? Even more importantly, are we going to let the significance of Haiti's contributions to the world, particularly to the United States go unnoticed?
If you've answered yes to two or more of these questions, or you don't believe that positive social change will ever happen in Haiti. Then yes, Haiti's bicentennial will be "brief" and "meaningless."
But it is not to late friends. That is why I personally don't think we should have put so much emphasis on January 1st (2004) the day. Instead, we should use 2004 and beyond as an opportunity to reflect and at least TRY to work on solutions.
Nevertheless, I'm going to stop now so I don't start sounding to preachy or idealistic. I'm sure some of you don't agree and that's okay. So let's agree to disagree. And I will do my best to write shorter entries in the future.
In the meantime, would anyone like to share their views as to whether or not they believe Haiti's bicentennial mattered [or not] to anyone else but us? In other words, should anyone else other than "OUR PEOPLE" even care?
P.S. "We will not remain the same. Either we re-make ourselves or we will be remade by others." - Gonzalo Santos
Love For My People
- Wednesday, January 14, 2004 at 01:00:05 (EST)
The Haitian community in Atlanta will celebrate 200 years of freedom next Saturday, January 24. For the first time Djakout Mizik will be playing in Atlanta, every body is excited. For more info, they can call:404-934-2828
Pathuco <pathuco@hotmail.com>
McDonough, GA - Tuesday, January 13, 2004 at 23:17:50 (EST)
Haitian National, I would like to know where do you get your information from or who's your source of information? Remember, I have nothing against your information or any remarks that you might have made, It's just that I want to know so that I can use it for my own benefit.
Le Plus Haut
White Oak, Md - Tuesday, January 13, 2004 at 17:37:52 (EST)
Manze, I am kind of curious as to what you mean by "alternative music"? would you please explain?
a reader
A Reader
- Tuesday, January 13, 2004 at 14:14:46 (EST)
I just read "One Glorious Day" by Marlène Rigaud Apollon. I wish everyone can read it regardless of what they think of 2004. From Echodhaiti's main page click on 1804-2004. Thank you Marlene Apollon and thank you Echodhaiti for posting it.
Mobutoo
Stafford, VA - Monday, January 12, 2004 at 12:58:22 (EST)
Haitian National, that seems like classified info to me that you are getting. Someone may be leaking government secret or someone is spreading a rumor. Your pick.
Mobutoo
Stafford, VA - Monday, January 12, 2004 at 12:01:31 (EST)
Le plus haut, the US is doing something in Haiti. They are providing fund to the opposition to create more violence and more misery in Haiti. I have been informed that the US is working with the opposition to create a "contra" style insurgent group in Haiti. The future does not look too good unless we stop it.
haitian national
haitian national
- Monday, January 12, 2004 at 09:20:27 (EST)
Report Back on the Bicentennial and a Forum on the
Future of Democracy and Development of Haiti
Monday, January 12, 2004, 7:00pm-9:30pm
Union Temple Baptist Church, Anacostia, Washington, D.C.
The future of Haiti is one of the crucial questions facing the western hemisphere today. The Haiti Support Project is convening a panel discussion on Haiti that will celebrate the 200th Anniversary of Haitian independence from France and explore the political and economy future of the island.
In recent days, violence has flared in Haiti as protests mount against the government of President Jean-Bertrand Aristide. Haiti remains the poorest nation in the hemisphere. It has the region’s highest rates of illiteracy and infant mortality. 40% of the nation is under the age of 18.
Ron Daniels, the Executive Director of the Haiti Support Project was in Haiti for the bicentennial celebration on January 1, 2004. Daniels will present a full report on Haiti and the present political situation as part of the program. Since 1995, HSP has mobilized more than $500,000 in material assistance for organizations in Haiti in the form of grants; farm implements/tools; school supplies; medical supplies and equipment; office supplies and furnishings; computers; fax machines; typewriters; AM-FM radios; video equipment; and transportation vehicles and ambulances.
What: Report Back on the Bicentennial and a Forum on the Future of Democracy and Development in Haiti
When: Monday, January 12, 2004, 7:00pm-9:30pm
Where: Union Temple Baptist Church, 1225 W Street, S.E., Anacostia, Washington, D.C.
webmaster <webmaster@echodhaiti.com>
- Sunday, January 11, 2004 at 21:49:20 (EST)
Heads up everyone, there is a pirate radio station in the Washington area playing much Soca, reggae ect. So, if you like that type of music, you can catch them mostly at night starting 6PM on 93.5 FM. It seems to be much stronger if you're within the DC city limits but I have heard it much farther out. You must remember if you have a radio in your car that seeks channels it won't lock on it, because the station is not powerful enough. You would have to dial it in yourself. I am not sure how long it will last before the FCC shuts it down, as for now it's great to hear some alternative music on the airwaves and I will enjoy it while I can. Haitians in Miami have mastered that idea of simply pirating the airwaves and it's been to the great benefit of that community.
Manze
- Sunday, January 11, 2004 at 12:22:25 (EST)
I want to say that, yes, it's very important to inform each other, to debate, to express our feelings or opinions, and share the news that make the actuality. I would like to suggest to everyone, who consider himself/herself "HAITIAN" on this board or around the metropolitan area, to send letters to the "Black Caucus and the Bush Administration in order for them to feel some type of pressure to do something regarding the situation in haiti. The fact remains that since 1804 we have never been united again to do anything productive. In fact, if everyone could spread the word to a friend or to any haitian living in the USA, this could be regarded as one big step toward finding a solution to the situation. Also, with the upcoming presidential election in november, Bush and his republican colleagues could careless about the situation in haiti right now. Therefore, I think we should make our voices heard by sending letters.
Le plus haut
White Oak, Md - Saturday, January 10, 2004 at 20:18:01 (EST)
ONE TO ALL YOU ALL.KEEP THE FLAG HOISTED.
Mgbada Mike <orumaga@hotmail.com>
- Saturday, January 10, 2004 at 18:42:22 (EST)
since I'm not using my real name, I will share something very personal with the Echodhaiti's board.
I cried today.
When I saw, read, heard what was going in Haiti, I CRIED. We are so sad as a people.
map swiv
- Saturday, January 10, 2004 at 12:58:10 (EST)
The State Department is wrong in their statement. They should condemn the violence on both sides if they really want to help the country move forward. This week, opposition members burn houses and car in Gonaives belonging to lavalas partisans. During the protest on Wednesday, It was captured on tape members of the oppositions beating up a lavalas supporter and then throwing him into a ditch. There have been many instances of violence on both sides. So Those statements are not helping the situation, instead they continue to divide the society and encourage more violence.
Mackandal
Mackandal
- Friday, January 09, 2004 at 19:16:38 (EST)
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The State Department on Friday condemned Haiti for allowing "government-sponsored gangs" to attack demonstrators demanding the ouster of Haitian President Jean-Bertrand Aristide.
At least two people were killed on Wednesday when Aristide supporters clashed with demonstrators who want him to step down, according to a Reuters reporter at the scene. It was the second mass protest this year.
"The United States condemns the actions of the Haitian government in response to the political demonstration that occurred January 7 in Port-au-Prince," State Department spokesman Richard Boucher said in a written statement.
"Although it is clear some elements of the police worked diligently to protect the demonstrators, it is also clear that other police officers collaborated with heavily armed, hired gangs to attack the demonstrators," he added.
"Throughout the day, these same government-sponsored gangs rampaged through the streets of the capital, stealing cars, attacking radio stations, vandalizing businesses, and harassing people," Boucher said. "A government that wishes to be considered democratic cannot continue to use street gangs as an instrument of terror and intimidation."
On Jan. 1, anti-government protesters in Port-au-Prince clashed with police as Aristide marked the country's bicentennial with promises to improve the lot of his people.
Boucher called on the Haitian government to stop trying to suppress peaceful dissent, to punish those responsible for such repression and to carry out reforms to restore the rule of law.
Aristide became Haiti's first democratically elected leader but was deposed in a bloody 1991 coup. He was restored to power in the poorest country in the Americas by a U.S.-led invasion in 1994.
He was elected to a second term in 2000 but has been at odds with opposition parties and international donors over the tainted results of parliamentary elections that year.
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Pierre Torchenor
Columbia , MD - Friday, January 09, 2004 at 17:45:37 (EST)
Are Young Black Males becoming obsolete? Listening to 50 cents lyrics will do that to them!
Are Young Black Males America's Job Untouchables?
By Earl Ofari Hutchinson
An astronomically high number of young black males are not just jobless, they are also in mortal danger of becoming job untouchables. According to the Labor Department, nearly 40 percent of young blacks are now unemployed. This comes on the heels of the Bush administration's tout of the increase in more than 100,000 new jobs in the past few months.
The stratospherically high jobless numbers for young blacks stunned the Congressional Black Caucus, and House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi. They reflexively blamed President Bush for the high unemployment numbers. They claimed that his fiscal and economic policies have resulted in the loss of millions of jobs during his years in office. They demand that he radically increase funding for job training programs and provide more tax incentives for the working poor.
But the jobless crisis among young blacks is not new and can't be totally blamed on Bush's dubious fiscal and economic policies. Even during the Clinton era economic boom, the unemployment rate for young black males was double, and in some parts of the country, triple that of white males. Discrimination, racial profiling, and failing public schools, and broken homes are the easy answers that explain their Great Depression era high unemployment numbers. During the past couple of years, state and federal cutbacks in job training and skills programs, the brutal competition for low and semi skilled service and retail jobs from immigrants, and the refusal of many employers to hire those with criminal records have sledge hammered black communities. In the late 1990s, long before the big run up in black unemployment, the California Assembly Commission on the Status of the African-American Males reported that four out of 10 felons entering California prisons are young black males.
Despite the recent Census figures that show a modest jump in the number of black two-parent households, less than half of lower income black males under age 21 still live in two parent households. The high number of miserably failing inner-city public schools also fuels the unemployment crisis. They have turned thousands of blacks into educational cripples. These students are desperately unequipped to handle the rapidly evolving and demanding technical and professional skills in the public sector and the business world of the 21st Century. The educational meltdown has seeped into the colleges. According to an American Council of Education report, in the past decade Latino, Asian, and black female student enrollment has soared while black male enrollment has slowed down.
The negative racial typing has also spilled over into school discipline. The U.S. Dept. of Education, in its latest report on school discipline revealed that, though blacks make up less than 20 percent of public school students, they comprise nearly one out of three students kicked out of the nation's public schools. But there's another reason for the endemic joblessness that black leaders are loath to admit. While it's true that many employers refuse to hire them because of racial fear and ignorance, it's equally true that many young blacks feed that fear and ignorance by their own actions.
The urban riots of the 1990s reinforced white fears that all young black males are inherent drive-by-shooters, gang bangers, drug dealers, are lazy, have foul attitudes, are chronic underachievers, and eternal menaces to society. When some young blacks turned to gangs, guns and drugs and terrorized their communities, that seemed to confirm their worst fears. The explosion of gangsta rap and the spate of Hollywood violence themed ghetto films have convinced even more Americans that the thug lifestyle is the black lifestyle. They have ghastly visions of the boys-in-the-hoods heading for their neighborhoods next. No matter whether a young black is a Rhodes scholar, National Science medal winner or junior achievement candidate, they could be tagged as a gangster.
In the past few years, a rogue's list of rappers that have been assaulted murdered or run afoul of the law. They revel in the bad actor lifestyle and play hard on the us versus them volcanic rage of many young blacks. They reap a king's ransom from exploiting the violent, outlaw image of black life. Many young black men black reinforce the damaging racial stereotypes by aping and exulting the thuggish bluster and behavior of gangster rappers. This further confirms the lurking suspicion among some employers that all young blacks must be criminal and derelict, and that it¹s risky business to hire them.
The Congressional Black Caucus and Congressional Democrats must relentlessly challenge government and business to do more to end discrimination and create more job and training opportunities for young blacks. But that's not enough. They must also challenge young blacks to do more to stop aiding and abetting their own shove to the netherworld of the American economy by reinforcing the destructive stereotypes about themselves.
BlackAmerica.com
Pierre R Torchenot
Columbia, MD - Friday, January 09, 2004 at 15:37:02 (EST)
Haitian,
That tells you the big business people know when to place their own interest at the second place. Something that some of us do not understand, which is why you bring this point.
Anonyme
Columbia, MD - Friday, January 09, 2004 at 15:20:10 (EST)
Haitian,
That tells you the big business people know when to place their own interest at the second place. Something that some of us do not understand, which is why you bring this point.
Anonyme
Columbia, MD - Friday, January 09, 2004 at 15:16:20 (EST)
Can someone explain to me this: the group of 184 which is largely made up of the big businessmen anf factory owners call for the people to go on strike for them. But isn't it the same group of people that when the factory workers want to organize fire them? and not only that they would not accept any union organizing and no strike? Can someone please explain that to me?
a Haitian
Haitian
- Friday, January 09, 2004 at 13:42:37 (EST)
Love For My People,
What is going on with the MARCH in March?
Concerned Haitian
Anywhere, NY - Friday, January 09, 2004 at 12:33:45 (EST)
Moron, Yahoo.com authored the article. And what the hell does Georges Saati have to do with the current situation in Haiti? Moun.com hardly writes any of the articles posted there, they just post relevant articles from other sources. You can always counter Georges Saati's effort with your own work, if you are up to par that is.
"By the way tell George Saati to go pay taxes in Haiti."
Pou Aristide bay famm rouj mange?
Pierre R Torchenot
Columbia, MD - Friday, January 09, 2004 at 11:38:17 (EST)
You must be the most stupid person on earth if you are going to believe what you see in moun.com. The way Haiti is today, violence is coming from both sides: the opposition as well as the Lavalas organization. It is a "SHAME" that haitians put their selfish interests before country. There are absolutely no justifications for today'violence in Haiti. There are no justifications as to why elctions cannot be held. All the folks in the opposition have only one thing in common: Their hatred for Aristide. This has nothing to do with the well being of Haiti. Many of those folks who are members of the opposition are well known for their acts in the country. I can go on and on. By the way tell George Saati to go pay taxes in Haiti.
for the time being.....
Se Li
Se Li
- Friday, January 09, 2004 at 10:20:48 (EST)
Happy New Year to all!
Ladies and Gentlemen, I invite you to witness some disturbing pictures out of Haiti. In an article titled "The true face of Lavalas," which can be found in moun.com as reported in Yahoo.com
Pierre R Torchenot
columbia, MD - Friday, January 09, 2004 at 09:35:15 (EST)
Ypranm....se yon moun konsa mwen we. Mwen toujou excited. I am just like a kid who has just seen SANTA (wink)
smoochees
- Thursday, January 08, 2004 at 16:43:57 (EST)
Smoochees, put some water in your wine. Ou tro cho devan ban' lan.
Yopran'm
- Thursday, January 08, 2004 at 13:44:17 (EST)
Jean Claude.....happy new year dear. Hope you had a great holiday. I like the name TRANKILL....kote'w bare ak nom sa? TRANKILL = POZE/SENSUEL/DOUS/BON KONPA. Can't wait to hear them. I am gettin excited already. Keep us up to date with the new band OK...
LOL@Se Nou (smile)
smoochees
- Thursday, January 08, 2004 at 09:08:00 (EST)
Amis de partout bonsoir.
If you are interested to be in the committee or to be a contestant in the MISS HAITI-WASHINGTON 2004 pageant you may now contact miss Vanessa Marcel at (240)498-9367 or at nessa127@hotmail.com
I met with her this evening, and let me tell you that you should be ready for something big.
Mesdames mété nou en forme to get the money, the title, the meetings with important people,the traveling and off course the chance to represent our country and the MD DC VA community.
Jean Claude Vivens <jcvivens@mris.com>
Wheaton , MD - Wednesday, January 07, 2004 at 22:20:44 (EST)
Miss Marcel pa bezouin al tro lwen pou li chwazi Miss Haiti 2004. Gen youn deja. Anik pran Smoochees e pi fe li Miss Haiti 2004.
Se Nou
Se Nou
- Wednesday, January 07, 2004 at 13:09:05 (EST)
Good job JCV keep it up,happy new year to you too, your business and your family.BEST WISHES
I will contact you by phone to get in touch with miss Marcel ,but I need to tell cousins about it first.
Good luck with the band.I really like the name Trankill especially with the double (L).
HELLO to all my other bros and sists reading this.It's my first time writing,finally something got my attention.I think miss Marcel is the sista to meet.
Melissa
Rockville, MD - Wednesday, January 07, 2004 at 12:28:28 (EST)
HAPPY NEW YEAR TO EACH AND EVERYONE OF YOU READERS-FANS AND FRIENDS.
I'm back in town, I'll be gone for another 15 days in February -- you know ...JACMEL...CHAMPS DE MARS...you know what I mean.
Don't forget this week to vote for the best videos for the year 2003 on "Haiti A suivre"
I'm coming out with a new band in the spring,we did the first practice last night and I'm very pleased of the musicians.Some of them JUST come from Haiti,I'm spending a lot of money to bring the compas back to Washington so I'm counting on you to support this musical revolution.
We are looking for a female vocalist, if you know someone tell her or her agent to contact me @ 240-463-7196 for an audition.
The name of the band is T R A N K I L L please make a note of it.
On another note, miss Vanessa Marcel is asking me to help create a commitee to organize an Haitian beauty pageant
(miss Haiti 2004) in the Washington metropolitan area.
Miss Marcel was the director of the Miss Africa International last November at the new convention center in D.C.Miss Marcel was born in Haiti but she grew up in New Jersey and she is now living in Maryland.
Interested should contact JCV Productions @ 240-463-7196
Jean Claude Vivens <jcvivens@mris.com>
washington, MD - Tuesday, January 06, 2004 at 22:40:51 (EST)
Gosh smoochees, I thought you were missing in action. (Smile) Girlie, well enjoy it while it lasts. Pa blie yon sista. Happy New Year to you, wishing you all the good things!
Take care!
Yopran'm
- Tuesday, January 06, 2004 at 15:35:37 (EST)
Happy new year to all. Hope every one had a wonderful holidays. Now that the holidays are over, sak pwal nan kanaval ave sa.....LET'S GET READY. Ticket yo nan SALE so HURRYYYYYYYYYY!!!. Na renkontre anba...lol
Peace.....mwen di'w fe respe'w....lol. Ki bagay madanm ap bay pwoblem sa? Well work it out man....it's 2004. Mwen we ou soti pou entrave'm sou board la. Wap pale de gouyad mwen. Podiab mwen!!!.....lol
Yopranm my dear....I am OK. Better yet, I am doing WONDERFUL. Map fout di li a gwo vwa....LI BON....LI BON NETTTTTTT....lol. Hope you had a wonderful holiday. I wish you all the best for 2004.
PR.....Happy new year to you too papa. Moun pa we moun. Ou kache. Kon di ak yopranm " si'l bon di li bon ". Hope you had a great holiday.
Love my people....thank you and Happy new year to you and your family. I've enjoyed reading you in 2003 and hoping to continue reading more from you.
smoochees
- Tuesday, January 06, 2004 at 11:48:50 (EST)
Welcome to the board Steinecke. Some of your statement may be true but there are more to it than that. Sure, we can not call this freedom as we know it here but on the bright side, the end of slavery in Haiti and the americas, the beginning of the end of colonization in the New World, etc.... Just because we failed to capitalize on what our forefathers fought for and won does not mean that we should not celebrate their accomplishments.
Mobutoo
Stafford, VA - Tuesday, January 06, 2004 at 09:09:24 (EST)
I would like to add my sentiments of gratitude for your support of dream endeavor here, echodhaiti.com. We thank each and everyone who has participated in some very thought provoking discussions on this board and we hope you will continue to share your thoughts with the community in this historic year for our community and culture. I would also like to invite each and everyone of you in the Washington metropolitain area and beyond to tune it to WPFW, 89.3 FM tonight at 11:PM for a special program on Haiti. I have been given the opportunity to sit in to night and will be doing a special show on Haiti. I hope to have guests and look forward to your phone calls (202-588-0893) and your wishes to our community and the bicentenial anniversary. Happy new year to each and everyone.
Jean-Michel <djjnmichel@aol.com>
- Monday, January 05, 2004 at 12:22:20 (EST)
One. I've posted this for the victims to have a voice -and to honor them. I don't want to insult the common Haitian people.
I guess my comment will become censored anyway.
Steinecke <kilgoretrout@epost.de>
- Monday, January 05, 2004 at 06:37:43 (EST)
FREEDOOM! Just 200 years of corruption, manslaughter, voodoo and dictatorship. I wouldnt call it 'freedom'.
My best wishes for a better future!
Steinecke <kilgoretrout@epost.de>
- Monday, January 05, 2004 at 05:58:51 (EST)
LONG LIVE THE HAITIAN CAUSE, TO THE REVOLUTION THAT STARTED IT ALL,THE ONE THAT ENDED IN VICTORY FOR AN ENSLAVED PEOPLE.FOR THE NEW HAITIAN POLITICAL MOVEMENT THAT IS CATCHING ON IN SOUTH FLORIDA, BOSTON , AND DOWN HERE IN NEW ORLEANS.I KNOW IN 2004 AS A PEOPLE WHAT EVER CITY WE ARE IN LET US HAVE "OUR" AGENDA AT THE TABLE OF DEMOCRACY AS ANY OTHER IMMIGRANT THAT COMES TO AMERICA DOES, LETS GET "POLITICAL" SO OUR COMPATRIOTS WHO TOUCH U.S. SOIL HAVE THE SAME RIGHTS AS THE CUBAN'S. I KNOW AS A PEOPLE WE ARE FUNDAMENTALLY GROUNDED IN OUR WAYS OF HARD WORK, FAMILY,AND OF COURSE OUR CULTURAL CELEBRATION AND PRIDE,BUT REMEMBER THE BE ACTIVE IN THE CULTURE YOU LIVE IN CURRENTLY SO "WE" AS A COMMUNITY IS NOT PASSED UP.
HONOR/RESPECT.
Jean-Sebastien Rene <samsontha1@hotmail.com>
New Orleans, LA - Friday, January 02, 2004 at 11:48:12 (EST)